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Two-Seat Variant of China-Pakistan JF-17 Fighter Jet to Fly in 2016
The latest JF-17 fighter jet will be a combat-capable trainer-variant of the aircraft.

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By Franz-Stefan Gady for The Diplomat
May 03, 2016


China and Pakistan are developing a combat-capable two-seat trainer variant of the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, Flight Global reports.

“The only significant change to the aircraft apart from the extra seat is a dorsal fin that contains an additional fuel tank. This means the JF-17B’s fuel load is comparable to the single seater,” according to Flight Global. “Production of the first JF-17B was initiated by Pakistan and China during a joint ceremony at Chengdu Aerospace Corporation,” the Pakistan-based Dawn newspaper reported on April 28. CAC is located in Chengdu city in Sichuan province in southwest China.

A defense official working on the JF-17B program emphasized that there will be “no loss in combat capability with the addition of the extra seat.” Chinese and Pakistani representatives familiar with the JF-17N program have repeatedly said that a two-seat variant of the aircraft is under development. The first flight of the two-seat variant is planned for the end of 2016; the PAF plans to induct the first JF-17B in April 2017.

The JF-17 is a lightweight, single-engine, multirole combat aircraft, powered by a Russian-designed but Chinese-built Klimov RD-93 (RD-33 derivative) turbofan, capable of reaching a top speed of Mach 1.6. The fighter purportedly has an operational range of around 1,200 kilometers (745 miles).

According to IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly, the aircraft has “seven underwing/fuselage hardpoints, and is equipped with an internal GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon. Weapon options include up to four PL-5, -7, -8 or -9 short-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) or four PL-12/SD-10B medium-range AAMs; two C-802A anti-ship missiles; two anti-radiation missiles; five 500 kg bombs; twin launchers for up to eight 250 kg, MK-20, GBU-12 or anti-runway bombs; single 1,000 kg bomb or GBU-10; or up to three mission pods.”

Pakistan purportedly has the capacity to assemble up to 25 aircraft per year without Chinese assistance. As I reported previously, Pakistan produces 58 percent of the airframe and China 42 percent respectively. The chief of air staff, Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, said this year in April that Pakistan intends to build a total of 24 fighter jets in 2016.

The JF-17 is in service with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), where it is meant to replace the PAF’s aging fleet of of Dassault Mirage III/5 fighter jets by 2020. In April, the PAF inducted 16 upgraded JF-17 Thunder Block II fighter jets in Kamra, also known as Aviation City, the center of aircraft manufacturing in Pakistan (See: “China and Pakistan Air Forces Launch Joint Training Exercise”). Overall, there are 65 JF-17 aircraft currently in service with the PAF. Since its induction in 2011, the aircraft have accumulated a total of 19,000 operational flight hours.

The JF-17 Block II aircraft features upgraded avionics, an air-to-air refueling probe, an enhanced oxygen system, and an improved electronic countermeasures system, in addition to a number of smaller upgrades. Block II fighter jets also carry a heavier payload than Block I aircraft.

A number of countries have expressed interest in the JF-17, including Argentina, Bangladesh, Bulgaria, Nigeria, the Philippines, Venezuela, and Zimbabwe. Pakistan claims that it already has the JF-17′s first international customer. However, until now, Islamabad has not revealed the name of the Asian country that will procure the fighter jet.
 
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Pakistani-US F-16 deal hits another snag
Farhan Bokhari, Islamabad - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
09 May 2016

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The rift between Washington and Islamabad may further delay the sale of eight F-16s fighters to Pakistan. Source: Pakistan Air Force
Key Points
  • The US has dropped the subsidy it had offered for Pakistan's purchase of eight F-16s
  • Islamabad insists the deal must be 'free of any preconditions'

The US sale of Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters to Pakistan may have hit another snag. A senior Pakistani government official said on 7 May that Islamabad would not accept any "preconditions" attached to the purchase of eight US-made F-16C/D Block 52 multirole fighters, causing further uncertainty about the deal and possibly prompting Islamabad to look elsewhere for alternatives.

Speaking to journalists in Islamabad, Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said that, while Pakistan needs the aircraft for its ongoing campaign against Taliban militants, the F-16 transaction "must come free of any preconditions".

The statement comes after the US State Department told reporters on 3 May that Pakistan would have to "put forward national funds" to buy the fighter jets after members of the US Congress objected to using the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) programme to subsidise the deal.

This means that Pakistan will have to pay the full amount of USD699 million for the eight US-made fighters along with associated equipment. Originally, deal was supposed to cost the South Asian nation around USD270 million, with the rest of the funds - USD430 million - coming from the FMF.

The US State Department approved the F-16 sale, comprising two single-seat F-16Cs and six twin-seat F-16Ds, in February. However, the deal has been opposed by some members of the US Congress on the grounds that Pakistan has not done enough against insurgents and terrorist groups.

The differing viewpoints and delays have had an impact. A Pakistani government official recently told IHS Jane's that "alternative aircraft from other sources are being considered should the F-16 deal collapse". In fact, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) has been looking at Chinese-manufactured J-10 and the J-20 stealth fighters for future purchase and Western defence officials have told IHS Jane's that Moscow has informed Islamabad about its willingness to sell a batch of Sukhoi Su-35 fighters.
 
Western defence officials have told IHS Jane's that Moscow has informed Islamabad about its willingness to sell a batch of Sukhoi Su-35 fighters

..... this thing remind me an old Ghazal of Muhammad Taqi (Mir Taqi Mir) sang by Medhi Hassan ....

"Yeh dhuan sa kahan se uthta hai"


.... & it's not an off-topic comment .... :mad:
 
No 3 Erieye AWACS Squadron is called Angels.

Quote "I do read from the big shrimps on Chinese bbs that PAF pilots are better than PLAAF pilots. If that is still the case, then it makes even more sense for PLAAF to train more regularly with PAF." Unquote.

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Pakistan says Turkey to help modernise its F-16 fleet
  • Imtiaz Ahmed, Hindustan Times, Islamabad
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  • Updated: May 15, 2016 19:32 IST
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A Pakistani airforce F-16 plane flies over a Pakistani national flag. (Reuters File)



Pakistan said that Turkey has agreed to help modernise its F-16 fleet at a cost of 75 million dollars, in the wake of US refusal of Islamabad’s request to help fund the purchase of eight fighter jets.

Earlier this month, the State Department had expressed inability to fund the $700 million deal with American tax payers’ money and the US asked Pakistan to use its “national funds” to buy the jets after some top Senators put a hold on the deal.

Through the official news agency, APP, the Pakistan government said this week that Pakistan and Turkey had struck a deal in an aviation project under which Istanbul will modernize Pakistan’s fighter planes and that some of them have already been flown to Turkey.

APP quoted Volkan Yuzer, the regional coordinator of the Turkey-Asia Pacific Council of Foreign Economic Relations Board (DEIK), as saying that Turkey was manufacturing engines of the F-16 jets, besides making some spare parts.

Pakistan and Turkey enjoy excellent relations. Over this weekend, prime minister Nawaz Sharif visited Turkey to participate in the marraige ceremony of the daughter of Turkish president Recep Erdogan.



In contrast, relations with the US seem to be under a cloud. Earlier this month, Pakistan’s advisor to the PM on Foreign Affairs, Sartaz Aziz has said that his country would acquire jets from elsewhere if the US does not arrange funding for a previously agreed upon F-16 fighter jet sale.

“If funding is arranged, Pakistan will get the F-16s, otherwise we will opt for jets from some other place,” Aziz had said.

The US gives Pakistan $265 million as part of foreign military assistance, Aziz said, adding in previous years it was $300 million. The amount received is split between the three branches of the armed forces. Pakistan Air Force’s share is $80 million, which they had allocated for the last three years to buy the jets, he said.

“The funding we received was part of normal military funding received from US, and not specifically meant for the purchase of F-16s. The US has informed us that we can use the funds for purchase of other military equipment and items, but not F-16s,” he added.

Pakistan had earlier reached an understanding with the US for buying eight F-16 planes. Under the deal, Pakistan was required to pay about $270 million from its national funds. The US was supposed to provide the rest from its Foreign Military Financing (FMF) fund. But at a Congressional hearing, US lawmakers made it clear that they would not allow the Obama administration to use US funds for the deal.

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No 3 Erieye AWACS Squadron is called Angels.

Quote "I do read from the big shrimps on Chinese bbs that PAF pilots are better than PLAAF pilots. If that is still the case, then it makes even more sense for PLAAF to train more regularly with PAF." Unquote.

china air and naval power.

And that is the reason why PLAAF has started regular exercises with PAF. Its not just pilot thing, its the whole operational setup of PAF that impressed the Chinese. The air tactics displayed by PAF were much superior to what the PLAAF had incorporated, which results in better performance for us in these Shaheen exercises. You can judge the Chinese need for learning by their sending of different aircraft to these exercises. We recently saw the J-8s for latest addition & -Su-30, J-11s, J-10s, J-7s all their frontline & main fighters have been brought. It shows their eagerness to learn and put their all front line fighters against PAF pilots to judge the performance of their fighters & pilots and learn.

The recent Shaheen exercise went on for weeks, if you guys remember i told you guys that Chinese are here around 3-4 weeks back before the story came on news.

Its good we can help them in learning and in return we learn from them.
 
And that is the reason why PLAAF has started regular exercises with PAF. Its not just pilot thing, its the whole operational setup of PAF that impressed the Chinese. The air tactics displayed by PAF were much superior to what the PLAAF had incorporated, which results in better performance for us in these Shaheen exercises. You can judge the Chinese need for learning by their sending of different aircraft to these exercises. We recently saw the J-8s for latest addition & -Su-30, J-11s, J-10s, J-7s all their frontline & main fighters have been brought. It shows their eagerness to learn and put their all front line fighters against PAF pilots to judge the performance of their fighters & pilots and learn.

The recent Shaheen exercise went on for weeks, if you guys remember i told you guys that Chinese are here around 3-4 weeks back before the story came on news.

Its good we can help them in learning and in return we learn from them.


Hi,

Chinese have some exposure to western tactics and modern warfare like Thai air force. You can do war games amongst yourself for as long as you want to---but the real test comes into play---when you put your pilots against the pilots of another nation who enjoys some kind of claim of fame.

And specially after this f16 crisis---paf is not going to be held back in sharing and learning with and from the chinese---.

The F16 fiasco is going to play as a double edged sword against the U S---. They lost a good ally in pakistan---. Paf is going for the chinese equipment no holds barred---chinese pilots will get a very good exposure of paf piklots---and the good thing about the chinese pilots is---they are keen & eager to learn and operate---they are not going to forget what they learnt---.

I would say that it is going to count as the worst decision that the U S made---it lost a solid ally---and if it come to it---it will be facing a better trained and well versed in combat chinese pilot.

Only the americans can fck up the way do.
 

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