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“It’s A Suicide Mission, SAAR!”: Indian Air Force Squadron Disbanded Due to Refusal By Pilots To Get Airborne

The inquiry report even states that one of the pilots gave the excuse of a “stomach bug” and spent 40 minutes in the washrooms as the debate on whether to fly or not was ongoing between the pilots. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

The story could be more thrilling if added ISI successfully mixed Churan and half of the IAF pilots were not in position to fly...

There should be a role of ISI as well... :D
 
The story could be more thrilling if added ISI successfully mixed Churan and half of the IAF pilots were not in position to fly...

There should be a role of ISI as well... :D
but bhai swal to banta hai na ???????????

pakistan bombed in broad day light in 10am 6 indian locations
india shot down own mi-17
india send only god damn two su-30 and they also RTB
then india send mighty mig-21 to fight PAF

swal to bhut hain na yaar . TBH do not think like indian think neutral and answer . and why the hell IAF did not take revange of abhinandan +mi17+bombing
 
but bhai swal to banta hai na ???????????

pakistan bombed in broad day light in 10am 6 indian locations
india shot down own mi-17
india send only god damn two su-30 and they also RTB
then india send mighty mig-21 to fight PAF

swal to bhut hain na yaar . TBH do not think like indian think neutral and answer . and why the hell IAF did not take revange of abhinandan +mi17+bombing

Sir, the answer is already available if you look just one day before of that Incident

26th, IAF dropped the bombs but might miss the target...

PAF completely failed to respond on time. They came up with a story that because of us, IAF drops the bombs and run away.

I mean to say that both incidents just happened for a few mins. Mig 21Bison was stationed in Srinagar with MIrage 2000. This was the reason, they were the first responder...

At least, It was quicker than PAF as compared to the previous day...

Next, 2 Su 30 mki and 2 Mirage were patrolling at different border areas...
 
This whole article "IF" true explain 1 thing... Indian knew we were coming maybe the time PAF took off from the bases and this is why they issued alert and clear orders which their piolets were reluctant to follow knowing the fact that Migs are no Match against the F16 and JF17.
It is all clear if we read the article carefully because all was done at least 30 min before PAF went inside Indian Occupied Kashmir
 

“It’s A Suicide Mission, Sir!”: Indian Air Force Squadron Disbanded Due to Refusal By Pilots To Get Airborne​



“It’s A Suicide Mission, Sir!”: Indian Air Force Squadron Disbanded Due to Refusal By Pilots To Get Airborne

“It’s A Suicide Mission, Sir!”: Indian Air Force Squadron Disbanded Due to Refusal By Pilots To Get Airborne

Note: This article is based on leaked classified document on the investigation about the No. 51 Squadron of Indian Air Force & its performance against Pakistan Air Force on 27th February 2019 during Operation Swift Retort.

Pakistan Strategic Forum has been able to gain access to documents from inside the Indian Defense Ministry, which we verified as being authentic after an extensive digital forensic study and from corroborations from three different Indian military officials. The documents paint a damning story about the No. 51 Squadron’s performance and its pilot’s unwillingness to get airborne during the Pakistan Air Force’s Operation Swift Retort.

The documents seen by Pakistan Strategic Forum, which we have shared with Pakistani authorities and also sent to two media houses in India, are concerned with a three month long internal inquiry called on by the Indian Defense Ministry after fighter pilots assigned to the Srinagar-based No. 51 Squadron were “unwilling and unable to get airborne against the enemy during the PAF’s ingress into Indian territory”. The Indian MoD’s inquiry points to the exact time when the No. 51 squadron were tasked to scramble and fly towards their vectored sector, and the exact time Abhinandan’s sortie was taking-off, noticing a massive time difference of almost 30 minutes between the two events.

The inquiry’s internal documents go on to say that after multiple debriefs and extensive questioning of the squadron’s airmen, ground crew and pilots, that the board of inquiry “has established beyond reasonable doubt that the officers and pilots of the Srinagar AFS showed a complete lack of willingness to follow the given orders and this led to an imbalance in force ratio to Indian disadvantage at a decisive juncture in the events of that day, and led to the shooting down of Abhinandan’s jet”. Of course, the IAF officers conducting the inquiry forgot to mention how it was the superior strategy and tactics of Pakistani offensive counter-air units in the sky that led to that particular shoot down.

At least 7 different ground crew were able to state on record that the majority of pilots were already showing fear and unwillingness to be sent into the air after Indian Air Force were all alerted around 9:20 AM on the 27th of February 2019. One senior pilot in the squadron said that he hoped the IAF Western Command “would not be stupid enough” to send their R-77 armed MiG-21s to go fight the PAF’s F-16s and JF-17s calling it a “suicide mission”, and would rather send the better-equipped Mirage 2000s and Su-30MKIs.

This led to the pilots, gathered together in a briefing room at Srinagar Air Base, looking at each other uneasily and agreeing silently that this is the right decision. The pilots later debated on whether they should communicate to their superiors at the base about their feelings on the situation, portraying the recommendations as for the safety of pilots and the aircraft.

To their dismay, the orders came much earlier than they had expected and they were left with facing the uneasy prospect of going into the air against a superior adversary with almost no support from the other, more capable fighters in the IAF’s inventory.

The internal inquiry states that the IAF pilots were unwilling to take off primarily because they felt that they had inferior platforms, as well as lapses in planning. What the inquiry fails to say is that at that time, Indian Su-30MKIs in the area had already been heavily beaten back by Paksitani F-16s firing their AIM-120 missiles, hitting and shooting down one of them at around 9:32 AM. Similarly, two IAF Mirage 2000s in the area reported heavy interference in comms and jamming of their radars by the Pakistani JF-17A Thunder jets they were facing, and were requesting to return-to-base (RTB) fearing that if they got closer to the border the JF-17s might shoot them down.

The No. 51’s pilots knew this, and thus that became one of the main reasons that pilots were unwilling to go into their fighters and scramble to take off. The inquiry report even states that one of the pilots gave the excuse of a “stomach bug” and spent 40 minutes in the washrooms as the debate on whether to fly or not was ongoing between the pilots. Eventually after several heated orders coming from the base commander to get airborne, who himself was being lambasted by the commander of IAF Western Command, six pilots mustered up the courage to get into their jets and taxi to the runway.

The inquiry states that of these six, only five took off while one MiG-21 reported a technical issue with his engine thrust, rather conveniently appearing during the taxiing to the runway, and refused to take off, citing ‘safety issues’. Of the five that did took off, only two (one of which was Abhinandan) proceeded to fly to the sector they had been vectored to by their ground controllers, while one of their colleague remained flying further inside Indian airspace, and the other two flew CAPs over Srinagar AFS, all three technically disobeying direct orders to fly to the LOC and take on the PAF. Later, Abhinandan and his wingman were also heavily jammed as they came near the border, and due to this they could not access radar information or subsequent IAF ground controller’s orders to turn back because they could see only two Indian fighters were heading towards a heavy concentration of PAF fighter sweeps.

According to a former and currently serving Indian air force official that spoke to PSF under the condition of anonymity considering the sensitivity of the issue, said that in the next two minutes, things happened in rapid succession as Abhinandan’s wingman abandoned or left him and turned back, unknown to Abhinandan who thought he was being followed by his wingman and going to confront a single Pakistani Mirage III fighter-bomber.

All of his comms being jammed and with no air-intercept radar opportunities being available, he was unaware that he had, quite literally, no support assets at his disposal and he was being watched by Pakistani airborne early warning aircraft, being jammed by the PAF’s electronic warfare aircraft and was walking into a hornet’s nest. He was confronted by a F-16 fighter and his wingman, who shot a single AIM-120C missile at the MiG-21 Bison, whose old and malfunctioning radar warning receiver only began beeping when the missile was in the air and coming towards him, flowing hot at over Mach 2. He had no time to react and ejected as his plane was hit and shot down in a ball of flame. The rest, as they say, is history.

According to data available with Pakistan Strategic Forum, the Pakistani airstrikes began that day at around 9:25 AM local time, and Indian air defenses vectored the No. 51 squadron’s MiG-21s at the same time. The three MiG-21s took off from Srinagar AFS at 9:47 AM, raising serious questions on the lapses in training and chain-of-command at IAF, which ultimately led to this inquiry and its findings.

The inquiry also stated that the board recommends grounding 13 pilots and disbanding the squadron from IAF service. Later, under the excuse of a routine phase-out of the MiG-21 from the Indian Air Force, the squadron was disbanded from the Indian Air Force and will not be re-equipped with new fighters. This serious lapse also led to the commander of Indian Western Air Command being removed from his post, according to a serving Indian Air Force official that spoke to PSF on the topic during our investigation.

It seems the planned phase-out of the MiG-21 happened at just the right time and acted as a blessing-in-disguise for the already embarrassed Indian Air Force, saving face from an abysmal performance in the 2019 skirmishes with Pakistan. The No. 51 squadron was disbanded on the 30th of September 2022, and the grounded pilots are now being assigned menial posts in such branches as logistics and accounting in faraway Indian air stations.




IS ANYONE SURPRISED reading this report? I am ABSOLUTELY not surprised. This right here is the difference between PAF / PA and IAF / IA. If we get attacked and only have F-7P's to defend against the MKI's, I can ASSURE you, we'd have double the amount of volunteer pilots than avilable F-7's! That's the Emaan and respect for our motherland in us!

For the record, the Radars on the Mirages were working just FINE. Our Erieye recorded it's incoming radar signatures, etc. They weren't jammed. They LIED because they were too scared to get into a fight when they were probably in a superior platform than the JF-17 and on par with F-16's.
 
This whole article "IF" true explain 1 thing... Indian knew we were coming maybe the time PAF took off from the bases and this is why they issued alert and clear orders which their piolets were reluctant to follow knowing the fact that Migs are no Match against the F16 and JF17.
It is all clear if we read the article carefully because all was done at least 30 min before PAF went inside Indian Occupied Kashmir
Who was he???
 
Sir, the answer is already available if you look just one day before of that Incident

26th, IAF dropped the bombs but might miss the target...

PAF completely failed to respond on time. They came up with a story that because of us, IAF drops the bombs and run away.

I mean to say that both incidents just happened for a few mins. Mig 21Bison was stationed in Srinagar with MIrage 2000. This was the reason, they were the first responder...

At least, It was quicker than PAF as compared to the previous day...

Next, 2 Su 30 mki and 2 Mirage were patrolling at different border areas...
if target missed then why not hit the target again objective was not acheived
PAF did not respond because high civilian traffic everyday some 1600 to 1800 civilan aircrafts fly on pakistan . why not you try next day when airspace was clear to shot ? it was like ukrine or iran type airiner shot down .
where they were su30s and mirages why they did not chase PAF and keep fighting ? why they just go home ? after all PAF bombed and shot down fighter jet .

its live now any sane brain will fire SAM or AAM here ???????
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in all honesty, this seems to be a more Propoganda piece than anything
Just like Indian Migs, F6 from Pakistan even with very limited modern systems is still nimble and a decent platform for dog fighting in the air. so I don't see pilots from both air forces raising objections that they don't want to fight modern aircraft.
At this Point, Indian claims F16 Kill While Pakistan claims a 30 Mki kill, i will ignore both and stick with Pak's kill of Mig which no side can claim didn't happen.
PAF was able to achieve its objectives, able to neutralize the MKI threat no matter what Indians claim,
Later Indian shopping spree of new weapon system should be enough to answer any questions Indians had in regards to whom had the upper hand.
But the thing is, it was not a dogfight. It was BVR combat, so Indian Fishbed drivers, knowing the limitations of their platform, would certainly be worried.

The MKI kill cannot be discarded like the that bogus, fartshot of a claim of a PAF viper by the Indians. Pakistan mopped the floor with their propaganda by providing the Viper count. The way Indians have disowned the MKI since 2019 shows how disappointed they were, plus they had that exploded slammer piece, where did they pull it out from??

Don't forget, initially Indians officially said Abhi experienced a technical malfunction, ejected and drifted inside AJK. So the level of baloney is off the charts there.
 
if target missed then why not hit the target again objective was not acheived
PAF did not respond because high civilian traffic everyday some 1600 to 1800 civilan aircrafts fly on pakistan . why not you try next day when airspace was clear to shot ? it was like ukrine or iran type airiner shot down .
where they were su30s and mirages why they did not chase PAF and keep fighting ? why they just go home ? after all PAF bombed and shot down fighter jet .

It seems that, on that fateful day, the most busy areas, of Indian air base, were their toilets and washrooms. 😛😛😛
 
To be honest, the Indian pilots gave a fair call that the Mig 21s would not have been a match for F16s / JF 17s.

Remember the context, there were alot of cat and mouse games that were being played. A few planes were used as decoys in the international border and then during the AWACs change over I believe, is where PAF saw an opening. The IAF in that theatre were certainly outnumbered.

PAF played it well, replied with a few duds deep inside IoK, and when the Migs got too close for comfort the F16s did their job.

The rest of the article seems to be very suspect. Pretty sure they need alot of plumbing work in their air base bathrooms if they’re shitting for 40 mins.
 
To be honest, the Indian pilots gave a fair call that the Mig 21s would not have been a match for F16s / JF 17s.

Remember the context, there were alot of cat and mouse games that were being played. A few planes were used as decoys in the international border and then during the AWACs change over I believe, is where PAF saw an opening. The IAF in that theatre were certainly outnumbered.

PAF played it well, replied with a few duds deep inside IoK, and when the Migs got too close for comfort the F16s did their job.

The rest of the article seems to be very suspect. Pretty sure they need alot of plumbing work in their air base bathrooms if they’re shitting for 40 mins.


Bro, to be fair it’s not the pilots call to make if they’re going to fly or not. They are trained for all eventualities, they knew what they signed up for. The Mig 21 is a BVR capable machine the problem is the pilot skill. Instead of saying their pilots made the right decision like it’s smart. We should call them what they really were that day… pussies. If it’s about defence of the homeland PAF would pit f7’s against the Rafale even but if the pilots are pussies (excuse my French but it is what it is) then you could hand them Darkstar ultra pro max and they would still fail or go to the bathroom lol.
 
Disregarding the usual third rate bhaktoras in action on the thread - there is some truth to this blend of fact and fiction specifically on behalf of the M2K pilots.
They knew they were dead if they engaged and basically could not state disobeying orders directly so they faked the equipment failure to bug out.
 

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