PAF and the JXX Fifth Gen Fighter

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    LoGIC IN RESPONSE to your comment

    ITS only a matter of time before PAF acquire a FIFTH gen fighter. I AGREE around 2025

    I think the ACM of every air force in the world will say the same ie" its only a matter of time before we "

    BeAR IN MIND china is fielding 200+ J10 today. First j10 ARRIVED in 2005 6 years ago. FIRST J10 in PAF will not arrive until 2015 IN THE FORM OF FC20

    THATS 10 YEARS LATER

    THE CHINEASE will not be selling j20 for export for a decade after its first induction. A INDUCTION may not happen until 2020.

    " WITH PAK FA FGFA its a different ball game" india has a 25% stake in pak fa hence early induction of FGFA probably around 2020

    sino pak example YOUR JF17 THUNDER being a good example.
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    obviously you are behind news..j-10 will arrive by end of this year..

    pakistan is less likly to be intersted in j-20, as its expensive to operate like all heavy twin negine aircrafts(reason for Americans going for f-35 was the cost of operation not production of f-22!!)

    thats why recent news showed that Chinese air companies have offered on paper 5th gen single jet engine..as it will borrow lots of tech form j-20 (like jf-17 from j-10), i think the cost for us would be less than 60 million..Pakistan can end up buying 50-60 for cost of approx 5 billion from 2020 to 2025


    points that chinese wouldnt export its latest tech to Pakistan is contradicted by history..from 1960 to 2010 china has given its latest techn to pakistan..so speak some sense..

    f-16--typhoon story is speculative and i don think so anyone can prove or disprove it..fact that MKI is best fighter is a agin a complicated issue..as both j-10 and su30 fall in different class..most of PAF think that f-16s and j-10s can easily handle a su 30mki at lower cost of maintenance
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    F16 & J10 can EASILY handle SU30MKI ziauslim TELL US.

    care to explain HOW

    su30mki HAS TECHNOLOGY that is not available to both the F16 & THE J10 ie TVC engines & PESA radars

    su30mki also has bigger more powerful twin egines.

    WORDS on their own are empty

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    PAF has 18 block 52 F16S and nil J10S versis 150 su30mki as we speak. now i know you people love f16 but do honstly think 18 F16s block 52S ARE GOING TO TAKE ON 150 SU30MKI

    PLEASE dont tell me about tomrrow next week or next month

    The other 44 F16s are 25 yearS old block 15 and need major upgrade in PAF ..
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    IAF losing edge over PAF : North: India Today

    J-10B (aka FC-20) would have AESA radar.

    PAF F-16s are being upgraded by Turkey, more are likely to follow.
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    Just to my curiosity, I want ask senior members are these attached snaps of two different aircraft show two different 5th generation programs of China simultaneously.

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    If so, why first one got preference over the other.

    Thanks in advance
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    Yup... InshALLAH we'll be back on track very soon.. imo with this govt gone, things will start to improve....
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    The second image has been floating around for years. Its clearly a photoshop. It looks more like a J-10 and Black Widow hybrid more than anything else.

    Does anyone know the estimated MTOW for the J-20?? Has that info been release? It looks very heavy from the pics, but then again they are just pics.
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    TVC? that's cool for WVR, we have I think JHMCS and a good WVR should be enough to counter it.
    PESA? PESA is old Russian 90's tech, we have no desire of pursuing it, instead AESA for FC-20.

    if only engines won engagements.... by this measure F-4 could kill and F-35!

    18 Block 52 and another 18 on order. No FC-20 as of yet, but they'll be here soon.
    18 only? 18 + 18 (total 36 new) + 44 MLU.
    80 F-16 Block 52 with AMRAAM and AWACS support.... is more then enough!

    44 are getting major upgrades... they'll be up to Block 52 standard minus CFTs.
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    thrust vectoring thrust vectoring i don't like its not war proven just tvc on su30mkI has given a circus show !!
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    Guys, there is no point, Mr. Storm Force will continue to live in an alternate reality where IAF future procurements count as current threats and Pakistani current equipment is nothing better than what the North Koreans can put in the air. The jf-17 is utterly useless, the f-16 a mere show piece, and despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, the j-10 and an eventual stealth aircraft will never eeever join the PAF inventory...there, we lose! No more need to troll Storm Force.
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    I guess you share the same view on F22 Raptor I guess?
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    Second picture of 5th gen is that project for PAF or china's
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    2nd Pic is photoshop - Not Chinese.
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    all are going through upgrades..

    i dont think so i need to explain why cant a f-16blk52 handle su30..i think it to superior to any fighter in its class..(hint why was india so eager to buy western equipment instead of going for more su30)
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    The SU-30 and F-16 fall under different categories. They aren't the same class.