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New Afghanistan Deal: Obama to Apologize; US Troops There Indefinitely

President Barack Obama will apologize to the Afghan people under a security agreement that will keep U.S. troops in Afghanistan well beyond 2014 at a cost of billions to American taxpayers.

NBC News has obtained a draft of the security pact that shows the U.S. would pay to maintain multiple military outposts in Afghanistan indefinitely and pay to support hundreds of thousands of Afghan security forces.

Also, Reuters is reporting that President Obama has agreed to write a letter of apology to the Afghan people acknowledging mistakes made during the "war on terror" and the suffering of the Afghan people.

The letter is to be presented along with the draft at the meeting of tribal elders that is due to start on Thursday and run for several days.

Under the pact, U.S. troops will have sole control over Bagram Air Field, north of Kabul, but will share facilities on eight Afghan-run bases throughout the country, Afghan lawmaker Khaled Pashtun told The Associated Press.

National Security adviser Rangin Dafdar Spanta told lawmakers at a weekend briefing that about 10,000 to 16,000 residual U.S. and NATO service personnel would stay behind in Afghanistan after 2014, lawmaker Shah Gul Rezayee told the AP. They would mentor and train the Afghan security forces, she said.

The independent Afghan Analysts Network, said Karzai also won a key security agreement from the U.S. that promised joint action — political, economic or military — against anyone attacking Afghanistan or giving safe haven to Afghan insurgents seeking to unseat the government.

The last-minute deal was reached just two days before Afghan leaders gather to debate the pact. It will contain provisions to give U.S. troops immunity from Afghan law and allow them to enter Afghan homes in exceptional circumstances.

President Obama has frustrated Congressional leaders with is refusal to release specifics about the US presence in Afghanistan beyond next year. But many Americans were led to believe the president had intended to pull all troops out after 10 years of war.

As of Tuesday, at least 2,153 members of the U.S. military had died in Afghanistan since the U.S.-led invasion in late 2001, according to The Associated Press.

The president also has gotten heat for apologizing for America on the international stage. He apologized after U.S. soldiers burned Korans in Afghanistan. And he has apologized for bombing Japan to end World War II and for U.S. actions in the Middle East and Africa.

On the domestic front this month, the president told Americans he was sorry for the botched rollout of Obamacare.

Aimal Faizi, a spokesman for Afghan President Hamid Karzai, said the agreement was partly owed Obama's promise to write the letter to the Afghan people acknowledging mistakes made during the 12-year war.
"Both sides agreed that Obama send a letter ... assuring the president and the people of Afghanistan that the right to enter into Afghan homes by U.S. forces and the extraordinary circumstances will not be misused," Faizi told reporters.

"The whole idea of having a letter was to acknowledge the suffering of the Afghan people and the mistakes of the past. That was the only thing that satisfied the president," Faizi added.
The letter is to be presented along with the draft at the meeting of tribal elders that is due to start on Thursday and un for several days.

A major sticking point that could scuttle the agreement says U.S. forces staying in Afghanistan will not be tried in local courts for any crimes they commit.

Spanta told lawmakers if the U.S. doesn't get jurisdiction over its soldiers and civilian personnel, it won't sign the agreement, and it won't leave any U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan when international combat troops withdraw at the end of 2014.

Divisions run deep in Afghanistan over conceding the right to prosecute U.S. soldiers for crimes committed in the country.

Afghans are still angry over several incidents involving international troops, including the 2012 accidental burning of hundreds of copies of the Koran; a shooting spree that year by a U.S. soldier in southern Afghanistan that killed 16 people, mostly women and children; and the unintentional deaths of civilians by wayward bombs.

While Afghans may be divided over the agreement, they are also pragmatic and know they need international forces in the country, said Kabul University professor Hamidullah Faruqi.

"They will guarantee our stability. They will show to our neighbors that Afghans are not alone, and the financial aid that will come along with this agreement will benefit Afghans, and Afghans know this," he said.

Pashtun, from southern Kandahar, where a Taliban insurgency flourishes said Washington is right to demand jurisdiction over its troops. "Our justice system is still under construction. ... Even Afghans don't trust it yet," he told the AP in a telephone interview.

Pashtun said the government "is so weak" that it hasn't been able to arrest a southern warlord accused of killing 117 civilians.

The Bilateral Security Agreement is a sweeping document that incorporates the usual Status of Forces Protection Agreement, which the U.S. signs with every country where its troops are stationed. The document covers everything from taxation and customs duties to a promise to protect Afghanistan from hostile action.

The Afghan government on Tuesday declared a six-day public holiday to tighten security during a national conference that will vote on a draft agreement allowing U.S. troops to stay in the nation after 2014.

The conference, known as the Loya Jirga, will begin Nov. 21 in Kabul and bring together 3,000 Afghan tribal, political and intellectual leaders. The security agreement with the U.S. will go to both houses of the Afghan parliament for approval if it is passed by the Loya Jirga, President Hamid Karzai said Nov. 16.

The declaration of the holiday comes three days after a Taliban suicide car bomb near the venue for the Loya Jirga killed 13 people and wounded dozens other.

“The Taliban attack will not affect the meeting, but our meeting will certainly affect them,” Jawed Munadi, a delegate to the Loya Jirga, said in an interview. “Our debates are based on how to prevent such attacks and maintain security in Afghanistan through the U.S. and Afghan agreement.”
Information from the Associated Press and Reuters was used in this report.


Source: Obama to Apologize to Afghanistan Under Deal to Keep Troops There Indefinitely

 
Now where is that Pakistan-origin dude who had double US flags and rejected, laughed on same thing I said to him a month ago? :omghaha:
 
Only Afghan govt. likes the occupation.
 
Well I hope one apology you guys should also get from US/Obama but keep your troll posts with your self unless you don't come up with some thing constructive.


As expected: USA is not winding up and leaving the Region. Though that will dash the fervent hopes and prayers of some.

Now the point to ponder: which countries in the neighborhood are amenable to the fact that USA will continue to have a presence in Afghanistan?
 
Well I hope one apology you guys should also get from US/Obama but keep your troll posts with your self unless you don't come up with some thing constructive.

What is there to troll? no honorable person would beg for his occupation...... do you know what occupation means? they can come and knock at your door and can take any thing along or do what ever they like. You are only allowed to say thank you my lord!

Ask Indians, what Gandhi told them about occupation.
 
........President Obama has agreed to write a letter of apology to the Afghan people acknowledging mistakes made during the "war on terror"...............

So, what are chances of this type of publication again.....

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So, what are chances of this type of publication again.....

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Different strategy and interest this time. 
What is there to troll? no honorable person would beg for his occupation...... do you know what occupation means? they can come and knock at your door and can take any thing along or do what ever they like. You are only allowed to say thank you my lord!

Ask Indians, what Gandhi told them about occupation.


Well you are not living in this world you have your own world of conspiracy theories but just Google and see how many countries have such protocol with USA including your beloved country!
 
(Reuters) - The United States said on Tuesday it was still working through details of a security pact with Afghanistan, denying the two countries have agreed on the final text of an agreement that will determine future U.S. troop presence in the country beyond 2014.

Afghan spokesman Aimal Faizi said earlier the sides had agreed on a final version of the bilateral security pact that will be submitted to Afghan tribal and political leaders for approval this week.

But State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters: "There are still some final issues that we are working through. We are not there yet."

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry discussed the issue with Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone earlier on Tuesday, Psaki added.

U.S. denies agreement reached on final text of Afghan security pact| Reuters
 
Different strategy and interest this time. 



Well you are not living in this world you have your own world of conspiracy theories but just Google and see how many countries have such protocol with USA including your beloved country!

US is already... bankrupt only with your deal, i wonder if will survive a single similar deal!
Remember the day when Attock Oil refinery stops, your prices in Kabul will double and the hungry dogs of street will come hunting you.
 
Afghan-U.S. security pact unfinished a day before key Kabul debate

(Reuters) - The text of a security pact between the United States and Afghanistan that sets out a military blueprint once Washington starts pulling out its troops after 2014 is unfinished a day before thousands of Afghan elders were due to start debating it.

Without the accord the United States has warned it could pull out all its troops at the end of 2014 and leave Afghan forces to fight alone against a Taliban-led insurgency.

Last-minute efforts to finalize the pact stalled on Tuesday by differences over whether President Barack Obama had agreed to issue a letter acknowledging U.S. mistakes made during the 12-year war.

"The final language is not ready between the two governments," said Aimal Faizi, the Afghan president's spokesman, adding the U.S. state department was right to say that work remained to be done.

The Afghan government said it received assurances that an Obama letter would be provided this week to a grand council of Afghan elders. But Susan Rice, Obama's national security adviser, insisted that such an offer - which would draw criticism from Republicans and anger American war veterans - is "not on the table."

It was the latest misunderstanding between the two governments, which have a long history of mistrust.

The security pact must be approved by the Loya Jirga, a gathering of Afghan tribal and political leaders that will meet in Kabul starting on Thursday.

If the two sides cannot agree on a pact, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has suggested submitting rival versions of the document for the elite group to decide on.

This has been met with anger and confusion by elders who have braved perilous journeys to the Afghan capital from remote and dangerous provinces for the meeting.

"Whatever is happening with the security pact is very confusing for us," said Abdul Hanan a senator from eastern Paktia province who will attend the jirga.

"It will be very difficult to vote for which drafts and which is for our benefit, we are all confused."

Another member from Ghazni province said the elders would vote on an Afghan version, but not an American one.

Security was tight in Kabul ahead of the traditional Afghan grand assembly convened to debate matters of national importance, following a suicide bomb attack outside the tent over the weekend.

A security pact would clear the way for a decision on how many troops to keep in Afghanistan.

U.S. officials said during a meeting of NATO defense ministers in February that the alliance was considering keeping a residual force of 8,000 to 12,000 troops. The Obama administration has been discussing keeping 3,000 to 9,000 U.S. troops as part of that.

Two years ago, Washington ended its military mission in Iraq with a similar "zero option" outcome that led to the withdrawal of all of its troops after the failure of talks.


Afghan-U.S. security pact unfinished a day before key Kabul debate| Reuters
 
US rules out Afghanistan 'apology' in security talks
By AFP
Published: November 20, 2013
WASHINGTON: The United States has ruled out apologizing to Afghanistan for “mistakes” made during the 12-year war and denied claims in Kabul that such a mea culpa was being drafted.

The stern comments in Washington came after Afghan leader Hamid Karzai’s spokesman said President Barack Obama planned to write a letter acknowledging that American military errors had caused civilian casualties.

“There is not a need for the United States to apologize to Afghanistan. Quite the contrary,” US National Security Advisor Susan Rice told CNN on Tuesday.

The State Department also expressed caution on a long-sought bilateral security agreement (BSA), after an official in Kabul said the two sides had reached agreement on key points of the agreement.

Aimal Faizi, Karzai’s spokesman, said Obama would write to his boss acknowledging US “mistakes in the war on terror” and the suffering of the Afghan people due to American military operations, as part of the BSA.

But Rice said “no such letter has been drafted or delivered. That is not on the table.”

US officials later said the request for a letter had come from Karzai himself during a phone call with Secretary of State John Kerry on Tuesday.

The security agreement could lead to a small group of US troops staying behind after the withdrawal of combat troops in 2014 to train Afghan forces and to mount anti-terror missions.

Officials in Washington said there was still some way to go before reaching a final agreement on the pact, to be put to an Afghan Grand Assembly of tribal chieftains and politicians, known as a “loya jirga” for approval.

Faizi said Tuesday that a major hurdle in negotiations toward an agreement – relating to the issue of whether US troops staying on in Afghanistan would be allowed to search the homes of Afghan citizens – had been overcome.

Faizi said the deal would allow US troops to enter Afghan homes once Nato forces withdraw in 2014 but only in “extraordinary circumstances” where there was an urgent risk to life.

He said both sides had now agreed to the clause on house searches, apparently ending an impasse which had threatened to scupper the agreement.

Faizi said Karzai and Kerry spoke by phone Tuesday during final negotiations for the security agreement which will shape Washington’s future military presence in the war-scarred nation.

However officials in Washington said there was still some way to go before reaching a final agreement.

“We’re not there yet. There are still some final issues we are working through,” said State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki.

Even if a final agreement is reached, Afghanistan has insisted that the BSA must be approved by a mass gathering of tribal chieftains and politicians.

The four-day grand assembly, known as a “loya jirga” in Pashto, is set to begin on Thursday in Kabul.

The BSA will determine how many US soldiers stay in Afghanistan when most of NATO’s troops deployed in the country since 2001 – currently numbering 75,000 – leave at the end of 2014.

The Taliban have branded the loya jirga meeting a US-designed plot, vowing to pursue and punish its delegates as traitors if they approve the BSA.

Highlighting the ongoing security challenges facing Afghanistan, a Taliban suicide bomber on Saturday struck close to the venue where the meeting is set to be held killing a dozen people, most of them civilians.

The issue of legal immunity for US troops who remain in Afghanistan has also held up negotiations. Failure to broker a similar deal in Iraq in 2011 prompted the Americans to pull out completely. The country is now in the grip of some of its worst sectarian violence since 2008.
 
@Sher Malang dude once again, this is what i'm talking about, and now i'm wondering if they ever knock.... now read the news carefully...

Afghan draft deal gives US troops immunity - Central & South Asia - Al Jazeera English

BTW.. are you sure... an Afghani?

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Haji Nazaran, a shopkeeper in the southern province, said it was specifically acts like Bales’ that should keep Afghanistan from allowing US forces to stay in Afghanistan.

“What do we need the Americans for? What have they done so far without killing and bloodshed?”

“We don’t want the military bases. Not for a year or forever. We don’t want the Americans”, Nazaran told Al Jazeera of the possibility of the US retaining its bases.
 
Afghans once famous for slaughtering foreign invaders now are begging USA to stay there permanently? I guess now days its not country of Afghans or pashtuns but Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks etc.
 
where ever america stays permanently there is not much peace in that region, may be here things change
 
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