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https://www.dawn.com/news/1322300/next-round-of-water-talks-with-india-in-jeopardy

WASHINGTON: The next round of India-Pakistan water talks — that the World Bank offered to hold in Washington next month — may be delayed or cancelled because of India’s refusal to accept arbitration.

Pakistan not only wants the talks to be held as scheduled but is also seeking the World Bank’s arbitration as the guarantor of the Indus Waters Treaty.

But Indian officials told reporters in New Delhi on Wednesday that India was against such arbitration and preferred negotiations within the framework of the treaty.

Pakistan too recognises the treaty’s pivotal role but disagrees with the Indian interpretation, which seeks to minimise arbitration.

The proposed talks will focus on two controversial hydropower projects — Kishanganga and Ratle — over which Pakistan is seeking International Court of Arbitration through the World Bank.

Indian and Pakistani officials met in Islamabad and Lahore this week to discuss three Indian projects on the Chenab River that Pakistan fears would decrease the flow of water into its territory.

After the meetings, Water and Power Minister Khawaja Asif told reporters that talks on the Kishanganga and Ratle hydroelectric schemes would be held in Washington next month, with the World Bank as the mediator.

But officials in New Delhi told the Indian media that they had not received any formal communication about the Washington meeting. They also said that India opposed Pakistan’s proposal for the bank’s mediation or arbitration and would prefer a neutral expert to review the two projects and give his or her opinion.

Pakistan says it wants a decision that is legally binding on both India and Pakistan and such a decision can only come from a court of arbitration and not from a neutral expert.

Late last year, New Delhi suspended talks on the treaty, which distributes the eastern tributaries of the Indus — Sutlej, Beas and Ravi to India and the western tributaries — Jhelum, Indus and Chenab — to Pakistan.

In September 2016, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi threatened to scrap the treaty after a terrorist attack killed 19 Indian soldiers. Pakistan warned that any such move would be a “declaration of war”.

Pakistan has repeatedly accused India of violating the treaty by building dams on the western rivers. India says that the treaty unduly favours Pakistan by giving it a greater share of water.

“Pakistan wants the World Bank to continue to play its role as the guarantor of the treaty,” an official source told Dawn in Washington. “The Pakistanis fear that India is trying to undermine the bank’s role as the repository of this treaty.”

The World Bank first seemed interested in Pakistan’s proposal for arbitration over Kishanganga and Ratle projects “but may opt out under India’s pressure”, the source added.

Pakistan has also said that it wants a resolution “through the provisions of the treaty, in their letter and spirit”, and “not through India’s interpretation of the agreement”.

A similar meeting, held in November 2016, made little progress as India rejected the World Bank’s terms of reference because, it claimed, the terms favoured Pakistan’s demand for arbitration.

Published in Dawn, March 23rd, 2017
 
It is in India's interest to unilaterally cancel the treaty and do what China does...

I don't see why we should be tied to idiotic agreements, especially with a country that does not seem to honour "other" bilateral agreements.
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1322300/next-round-of-water-talks-with-india-in-jeopardy

WASHINGTON: The next round of India-Pakistan water talks — that the World Bank offered to hold in Washington next month — may be delayed or cancelled because of India’s refusal to accept arbitration.

Pakistan not only wants the talks to be held as scheduled but is also seeking the World Bank’s arbitration as the guarantor of the Indus Waters Treaty.

But Indian officials told reporters in New Delhi on Wednesday that India was against such arbitration and preferred negotiations within the framework of the treaty.

Pakistan too recognises the treaty’s pivotal role but disagrees with the Indian interpretation, which seeks to minimise arbitration.

The proposed talks will focus on two controversial hydropower projects — Kishanganga and Ratle — over which Pakistan is seeking International Court of Arbitration through the World Bank.

Indian and Pakistani officials met in Islamabad and Lahore this week to discuss three Indian projects on the Chenab River that Pakistan fears would decrease the flow of water into its territory.

After the meetings, Water and Power Minister Khawaja Asif told reporters that talks on the Kishanganga and Ratle hydroelectric schemes would be held in Washington next month, with the World Bank as the mediator.

But officials in New Delhi told the Indian media that they had not received any formal communication about the Washington meeting. They also said that India opposed Pakistan’s proposal for the bank’s mediation or arbitration and would prefer a neutral expert to review the two projects and give his or her opinion.

Pakistan says it wants a decision that is legally binding on both India and Pakistan and such a decision can only come from a court of arbitration and not from a neutral expert.

Late last year, New Delhi suspended talks on the treaty, which distributes the eastern tributaries of the Indus — Sutlej, Beas and Ravi to India and the western tributaries — Jhelum, Indus and Chenab — to Pakistan.

In September 2016, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi threatened to scrap the treaty after a terrorist attack killed 19 Indian soldiers. Pakistan warned that any such move would be a “declaration of war”.

Pakistan has repeatedly accused India of violating the treaty by building dams on the western rivers. India says that the treaty unduly favours Pakistan by giving it a greater share of water.

“Pakistan wants the World Bank to continue to play its role as the guarantor of the treaty,” an official source told Dawn in Washington. “The Pakistanis fear that India is trying to undermine the bank’s role as the repository of this treaty.”

The World Bank first seemed interested in Pakistan’s proposal for arbitration over Kishanganga and Ratle projects “but may opt out under India’s pressure”, the source added.

Pakistan has also said that it wants a resolution “through the provisions of the treaty, in their letter and spirit”, and “not through India’s interpretation of the agreement”.

A similar meeting, held in November 2016, made little progress as India rejected the World Bank’s terms of reference because, it claimed, the terms favoured Pakistan’s demand for arbitration.

Published in Dawn, March 23rd, 2017
The way things are moving sooner or later unfair IWT will just get submerged in Indus. World bank has no longer any locus standi on the matter. They were at the best brokers between two countries at that point of time. Pakistan should stop futile action of dragging in third parties into matter.

honour "other" bilateral agreements.
very true there is no need for us to honor the treaty when pakistan has broken shimla agreement and other treaties.
 
we have to fight a war due to bad intentions of neighbors. I donott understand why they think that they can do it and we won't do anything.
But still hopes they understand and honour the treaty by words and actions and we don't have to fight a nuclear war.

It is in India's interest to unilaterally cancel the treaty and do what China does...

I don't see why we should be tied to idiotic agreements, especially with a country that does not seem to honour "other" bilateral agreements.
plz do it. Then don't call us aggressors next time. and plz don't beg chinese for water too. India east is water strained and will face more shortage in case you give chinese an excuse. More suicides by farmers.
But world bank is 193 countries. India can't run away.
Most of indian projects are well with in artillary range.
And plz don't threaten us with massive retaliation. We know your capabilities.
 
plz do it. Then don't call us aggressors next time. and plz don't beg chinese for water too. India east is water strained and will face more shortage in case you give chinese an excuse. More suicides by farmers.
But world bank is 193 countries. India can't run away.
Most of indian projects are well with in artillary range.
And plz don't threaten us with massive retaliation. We know your capabilitie

Threats? Please do something new.

Let me assure u that world bank will not blink, just like how they are now blinking now.

Rest of your rhetoric is just that...I am not going to respond and derail the thread.

Mark my words...Modi is bent on destroying IWT and there is not a darned thing anyone can do about it.
Regarding eastern states and China threat. Please do it. That surely will go down well with Bangladesh & Co. I mean talk about China making multiple enemies overnight. Why would China cut off it's nose because something happened to pakistan?
 
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The minute Asif Khawaja told the next meeting will be held in Washington, I knew will talks failed. India will never agree for a third party mediation on Indo-Pak issue.
 
India shouldn't pull out of IWT.

India has started tackling all Pakistan related issues in a unique manner.

If India continue to do what she is doing with the western rivers for a decade then IWT will die quietly.
 
I think we will have to blow the Damon either directly or indirectly
 
India pulls out of IWT.
Pakistan files a case worth 500 billion dollars.
Pakistan wins.
India says we do not recognize the verdict.

Then?

US did the same in Nicaragua case.
So did China on SCS.
And what happened?
 
India shouldn't pull out of IWT.

India has started tackling all Pakistan related issues in a unique manner.

If India continue to do what she is doing with the western rivers for a decade then IWT will die quietly.

We must take China as an example.
Pretend to care and go about diverting all the water for our needs.

What can the world do? Cry for few days and go about their business of earning billions off indians ;)

India pulls out of IWT.
Pakistan files a case worth 500 billion dollars.
Pakistan wins.
India says we do not recognize the verdict.

Then?

US did the same in Nicaragua case.
So did China on SCS.
And what happened?

What are u talking about?
What happened to china in SCS? They are happily building what ever they want - while the world is crying.

Who will make India pay 500 rupees, let alone 500 Billion. Please stop making an idiot of yourself.

World does not care about IWT...Perhaps you should take a note of what world Bank has done with this recently.
 
We must take China as an example.
Pretend to care and go about diverting all the water for our needs.

What can the world do? Cry for few days and go about their business of earning billions off indians ;)

That is EXACTLY what we are doing. :angel:

Hence the next round of "water talks" with pakistan. :P

Its the new version of our "peace talks" or "talks about kashmir".
 
https://www.dawn.com/news/1322300/next-round-of-water-talks-with-india-in-jeopardy

WASHINGTON: The next round of India-Pakistan water talks — that the World Bank offered to hold in Washington next month — may be delayed or cancelled because of India’s refusal to accept arbitration.

Pakistan not only wants the talks to be held as scheduled but is also seeking the World Bank’s arbitration as the guarantor of the Indus Waters Treaty.

But Indian officials told reporters in New Delhi on Wednesday that India was against such arbitration and preferred negotiations within the framework of the treaty.

Pakistan too recognises the treaty’s pivotal role but disagrees with the Indian interpretation, which seeks to minimise arbitration.

The proposed talks will focus on two controversial hydropower projects — Kishanganga and Ratle — over which Pakistan is seeking International Court of Arbitration through the World Bank.

Indian and Pakistani officials met in Islamabad and Lahore this week to discuss three Indian projects on the Chenab River that Pakistan fears would decrease the flow of water into its territory.

After the meetings, Water and Power Minister Khawaja Asif told reporters that talks on the Kishanganga and Ratle hydroelectric schemes would be held in Washington next month, with the World Bank as the mediator.

But officials in New Delhi told the Indian media that they had not received any formal communication about the Washington meeting. They also said that India opposed Pakistan’s proposal for the bank’s mediation or arbitration and would prefer a neutral expert to review the two projects and give his or her opinion.

Pakistan says it wants a decision that is legally binding on both India and Pakistan and such a decision can only come from a court of arbitration and not from a neutral expert.

Late last year, New Delhi suspended talks on the treaty, which distributes the eastern tributaries of the Indus — Sutlej, Beas and Ravi to India and the western tributaries — Jhelum, Indus and Chenab — to Pakistan.

In September 2016, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi threatened to scrap the treaty after a terrorist attack killed 19 Indian soldiers. Pakistan warned that any such move would be a “declaration of war”.

Pakistan has repeatedly accused India of violating the treaty by building dams on the western rivers. India says that the treaty unduly favours Pakistan by giving it a greater share of water.

“Pakistan wants the World Bank to continue to play its role as the guarantor of the treaty,” an official source told Dawn in Washington. “The Pakistanis fear that India is trying to undermine the bank’s role as the repository of this treaty.”

The World Bank first seemed interested in Pakistan’s proposal for arbitration over Kishanganga and Ratle projects “but may opt out under India’s pressure”, the source added.

Pakistan has also said that it wants a resolution “through the provisions of the treaty, in their letter and spirit”, and “not through India’s interpretation of the agreement”.

A similar meeting, held in November 2016, made little progress as India rejected the World Bank’s terms of reference because, it claimed, the terms favoured Pakistan’s demand for arbitration.

Published in Dawn, March 23rd, 2017

Scrap the treaty, best way moving forward...
 
Gentlemen of India

A small reminder. You are not China and Pakistan can knock your teeth out.

Now after a reality check its better for both sides to share the water else there will be war. Does the subcontinent really need a war because of RSS policies.

Little to nothing you can do, the threats don't really add up to much, if Pakistan does wage war, it will sure to end all conflicts in J&K, we will be able to find a final solution to the problem at hand. It will only work towards the strategic interests of India.
 
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