Mushshak Trainer Aircraft

[Haris Ali2140]

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[Dazzler]

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New avionics for Turkish order

 

[AsifIjaz]

Whats the second big deal tht he is talking about... Any ideas?
I cant recall any upcoming big order by an airforce.

 

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According to Alan Warnes’ article published in Asian Military Review dated 9-1-2019, the Turkish AF has selected the Garmin 950 avionics suite for its 52 Super Mushshak aircraft.

Now, GenesysAero avionics system is being integrated into a Super Mushshak.

That means PAC is offering Super Mushshak with three different glass cockpit options – Dynon, Garmin and GenesysAero.

May be light attack version of Super Mushshak are being configured with GenesysAero avionics system!!!!

According to APP, MoU was signed with STI (System Technology Inc.???) for the procurement of 02 Super Mushshak flight simulators during IDEA 2016. Is there any update on it?

 

[khanasifm]

Singapore technologies ?? they are also Co designer with pac for jf avionics sub systems per paf history book


https://www.stengg.com/en/singapore-technologies-engineering/

 

[ghazi52]

 

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New avionics for Turkish order

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Super Mushshak Original Cockpit Console

Germin G950 Glass Cockpit for Super Mushshak

Dyno Avionics Glass Cockpit for Super Mushshak

Genesys Aerosystems Glass Cockpit for Super Mushshak

 

[fatman17]

The Super Mushshak with the #IDU680 avionics suite. #efis #avionics https://t.co/9hkfkjOHRD

 

[nomi007]

I think it is right time to develop the super mushshak NG variant same like TAI Hürkuş to replace old T-37

 

[araz]

I think it is right time to develop the super mushshak NG variant same like TAI Hürkuş to replace old T-37

Not going to happen as we are short of money and resources(Material and man power). PAC may have looked at it if there was a niche for export available but with China creating competing birds they will not allow further development of a bird which could hinder the progress of their own birds.
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Not going to happen as we are short of money and resources(Material and man power). PAC may have looked at it if there was a niche for export available but with China creating competing birds they will not allow further development of a bird which could hinder the progress of their own birds.
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Most of the current basic and advance trainer aircraft, in the international market, are having tandem cockpits.

T-37 is having side by side seating arrangement in the cockpit. Hence, it has the advantage that student pilot and instructor can see each other's actions, allowing the student pilot to learn from the instructor and the instructor to correct the student pilot.

It appears that PAF is reluctant to replace T-37 with K-8 for basic flying training. That is why PAF is not only expanding the inventory of T-37 but also upgrading it with glass cockpit.

However, the airframe life of T-37 though extended to 8000 hrs after SLEP modification, will last till mid 2030s at the most.

A viable option available to PAF is using T-37 DNA to design and manufacture a basic/advance trainer aircraft with a cockpit having side by side seating arrangement.

Refer my following post for further details:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/turk...cost-to-pakistan.405814/page-10#post-12038087

PS: T-37 was the USAF most successful primary/basic trainer aircraft and it was supposed to be replaced by Next Generation Trainer (NGT) Fairchild T-46 (again an aircraft with a cockpit having side by side seating arrangement) - a project sponsored by USAF but abandoned due to political reasons.

PAF should take the initiative to carry out this project all alone. Investment of precious resources in this project after successful completion, will not only satisfy its local demand, by replacing the aging T-37 fleet but have greater probability of success in the International Market.

PAC can export this aircraft not only as a next generation trainer aircraft with a cockpit having side by side seating arrangement but also as a COIN aircraft. (example A-37!)

 

[Incog_nito]

Besides our own aircraft. Why not PAF look to acquire some other basic and intermediate prop trainers from Europe, like Platius Aircrafts.

 

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The Pilatus PC-21 is a turboprop-powered advanced trainer with a stepped tandem cockpit.

PAF is already operating K-8 as AJT, therefore induction of such aircraft is not required.

Furthermore, financial resources are scarce in our country.

My suggestion is to design and produce a product locally and satisfy local demand first and then start exporting it internationally.

A basic/advance trainer aircraft with a cockpit having side by side seating arrangement will most probably be a success in the international market.

This will not only lessen the consumption of our scarce financial resources, but increase in export will help in improving the financial condition of Pakistan.

Besides our own aircraft. Why not PAF look to acquire some other basic and intermediate prop trainers from Europe, like Platius Aircrafts.

 

[Incog_nito]

The Pilatus PC-21 is a turboprop-powered advanced trainer with a stepped tandem cockpit.

PAF is already operating K-8 as AJT, therefore induction of such aircraft is not required.

Furthermore, financial resources are scarce in our country.

My suggestion is to design and produce a product locally and satisfy local demand first and then start exporting it internationally.

A basic/advance trainer aircraft with a cockpit having side by side seating arrangement will most probably be a success in the international market.

This will not only lessen the consumption of our scarce financial resources, but increase in export will help in improving the financial condition of Pakistan.

K-8 is a Basic & Intermediate Jet Trainer.

Platius is a general turbo prop trainer for Basic Training.

 

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K-8 is a Basic & Intermediate Jet Trainer.

Platius is a general turbo prop trainer for Basic Training.

The Pilatus PC-21 is a turboprop-powered advanced trainer with a stepped tandem cockpit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilatus_PC-21

PAF is using T-37 as basic trainer and K-8 as AJT at PAF Academy Risalpur.

Both T-37 and K-8 are also used by FIS (Risalpur).

K-8s are also used by Aerobatics display team "Sherdils" (Risalpur).

Moreover, K-8s are also used by FCU as fighter conversion trainer.

PAF did planned to replace aging and depleting T-37s with K-8s.

But with the availability of 20 USAF and 34 TuAF T-37s, PAF is reluctant to use K-8 as basic trainers.

PAF flight instructors prefer using T-37 as basic trainer because it has side by side seating arrangement.

In addition to above, PAF is also upgrading T-37 by replacing original cockpit with glass cockpit.

All T-37s in PAF fleet have extended service life. Therefore, these aircraft will be available till 2030s.