MIG-35 over FC-20

[Zhukov]

As recently Chinese have refused to sell FC20 over liscence issue. A Customised version of MIG-35 i believe is a much better option for Pakistan.
It is more capable on a lower Price and better Armaments. MIG-35 can be procured in about 30m dollar a piece if acquired upto 50 in numbers and with customized avionics.
while FC20 will be available in 46m dollar.
And Mikoyan is already in financial troubles and desperately needs to secure a foreign order.
We should procure upto 80 MIG-35 to counter indian Su30-MKI threat.



Crew: one or two
Length: 17.3 m (56 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12 m (39 ft 4 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 38 m 2 (409 ft 2)
Empty weight: 11,000 kg (24,250 lb)
Loaded weight: 17,500 kg (38,600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 29,700 kg (65,500 lb)
Powerplant : 2 × Klimov RD-33 MK
afterburning turbofans
Dry thrust: 5,400 kgf , 53.0 kN (11,900
lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 9,000 kgf, 88.3
kN (19,800 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,600 km/h,
1,491 mph) at altitude; [26] 1,450 km/h (901
mph) at low-level
Range: 2,000 km (1,240 mi)
Combat radius: 1,000 km (620 mi)
Ferry range : 3,100 km (1,930 mi) with 3
external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,400 ft )
Rate of climb : 330 m/s (65,000 ft/min [28] )
Thrust/weight: 1.03 [29]
Max. maneuvering load factor: 10.0 g [27]
Armament
Guns: 1× 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon , 150
rounds
Hardpoints: 9 total (8× under-wing, 1×
centre-line) with a capacity of 7,000 kg [7]
Rockets: S-8, S-13, S-24, S-25L, S-250
unguided and laser-guided rockets
Missiles:
Air-to-air:
AA-10 Alamo: 4× R-27R, R-27T,
R-27ER, R-27ET
AA-8 Aphid : 4× R-60M
AA-11 Archer: 8× R-73E, R-73M,
R-74M
AA-12 Adder: 8× R-77
Air-to-surface:
AS-17 Krypton : 4× Kh-31A, Kh-31P
AS-14 Kedge: 4× Kh-29T, Kh-29L
Bombs:
Guided:
KAB-500L : 500 kg laser-guided bomb
KAB-500T : 500 kg TV-guided bomb
Unguided:
FAB-250 : 250 kg bomb
FAB-500 : 500 kg bomb
ZAB-500 fuel-air explosive Bomb
Avionics
Phazotron Zhuk AE AESA radar (or other
members of the Zhuk radar family) [30]
NII PP OLS-UEM Optical Location station


1-Dont spoil the thread by discussing "Budget Constraints" here. Economy is recovering. And we have to procure new platform even if we need to allocate funds by cutting back from some other sectors .Whatever budget related stuff comes to mind please dont discuss here. So if you believe that defence is not necessary please dont spoil the thread.
2-Buying Russian tech is possible. Dont take in Indian Pressure here. India is in no position to threaten Russia not to sale its arms to Pakistan because
a-Russian Mikoyan Gurevich is in dire financial troubles,Either india itself buys significant systems from it or let it sale
b-It is india that is dependent on russia not the other way around. India is in no position to cancel a 5th gen program on the basis of PAF acquiring a 4.5 gen platform. This point should not be discussed here either
3-"Russian Junk" and other useless trolls plz dont waste your time here

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

no thank you...

 

[Zhukov]

 

[Informant]

What is the black thing on the nose of the plane? @DESERT FIGHTER @Munir @Windjammer

 

[IND151]

Keeping all other reasons aside, the fact that it is evolution of MiG 29 which is already employed by IAF, reason enough for PAF to not choose it.

What is the black thing on the nose of the plane? @DESERT FIGHTER @Munir @Windjammer

IRST..................

 

[Informant]

Keeping all other reasons aside, the fact that it is evolution of MiG 29 which is already employed by IAF, reason enough for PAF to not choose it.



IRST..................

Ohhh. Achaa jiiii.

 

[NKVD]

As recently Chinese have refused to sell FC20 over liscence issue. A Customised version of MIG-35 i believe is a much better option for Pakistan.
It is more capable on a lower Price and better Armaments. MIG-35 can be procured in about 30m dollar a piece if acquired upto 50 in numbers and with customized avionics.
while FC20 will be available in 46m dollar.
And Mikoyan is already in financial troubles and desperately needs to secure a foreign order.
We should procure upto 80 MIG-35 to counter indian Su30-MKI threat.



Crew: one or two
Length: 17.3 m (56 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12 m (39 ft 4 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 38 m 2 (409 ft 2)
Empty weight: 11,000 kg (24,250 lb)
Loaded weight: 17,500 kg (38,600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 29,700 kg (65,500 lb)
Powerplant : 2 × Klimov RD-33 MK
afterburning turbofans
Dry thrust: 5,400 kgf , 53.0 kN (11,900
lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 9,000 kgf, 88.3
kN (19,800 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,600 km/h,
1,491 mph) at altitude; [26] 1,450 km/h (901
mph) at low-level
Range: 2,000 km (1,240 mi)
Combat radius: 1,000 km (620 mi)
Ferry range : 3,100 km (1,930 mi) with 3
external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,400 ft )
Rate of climb : 330 m/s (65,000 ft/min [28] )
Thrust/weight: 1.03 [29]
Max. maneuvering load factor: 10.0 g [27]
Armament
Guns: 1× 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon , 150
rounds
Hardpoints: 9 total (8× under-wing, 1×
centre-line) with a capacity of 7,000 kg [7]
Rockets: S-8, S-13, S-24, S-25L, S-250
unguided and laser-guided rockets
Missiles:
Air-to-air:
AA-10 Alamo: 4× R-27R, R-27T,
R-27ER, R-27ET
AA-8 Aphid : 4× R-60M
AA-11 Archer: 8× R-73E, R-73M,
R-74M
AA-12 Adder: 8× R-77
Air-to-surface:
AS-17 Krypton : 4× Kh-31A, Kh-31P
AS-14 Kedge: 4× Kh-29T, Kh-29L
Bombs:
Guided:
KAB-500L : 500 kg laser-guided bomb
KAB-500T : 500 kg TV-guided bomb
Unguided:
FAB-250 : 250 kg bomb
FAB-500 : 500 kg bomb
ZAB-500 fuel-air explosive Bomb
Avionics
Phazotron Zhuk AE AESA radar (or other
members of the Zhuk radar family) [30]
NII PP OLS-UEM Optical Location station


1-Dont spoil the thread by discussing "Budget Constraints" here. Economy is recovering. And we have to procure new platform even if we need to allocate funds by cutting back from some other sectors .Whatever budget related stuff comes to mind please dont discuss here. So if you believe that defence is not necessary please dont spoil the thread.
2-Buying Russian tech is possible. Dont take in Indian Pressure here. India is in no position to threaten Russia not to sale its arms to Pakistan because
a-Russian Mikoyan Gurevich is in dire financial troubles,Either india itself buys significant systems from it or let it sale
b-It is india that is dependent on russia not the other way around. India is in no position to cancel a 5th gen program on the basis of PAF acquiring a 4.5 gen platform. This point should not be discussed here either
3-"Russian Junk" and other useless trolls plz dont waste your time here

Theoretically possible But practically Impossible M-35 have many key features which is In-process with India MkI upgrade Eg Zhuk AE AESA radar ,OLS infra-red Many etc .Secondly Pakistan is not a Old Reputed customer of Russian tech like Indians and Chinese Don,t aspect them to TOT Key tech Like AESA etc to Country which is Direct threat to there Ally.PLus Chinese are More reliable in TOT for Pakistan than any other country in World

NO Trolling Just a Point of View

 

[VelocuR]

What is the black thing on the nose of the plane? @DESERT FIGHTER @Munir @Windjammer

Black Mole lol

Yes, it is common IRST to detect and track objects like enemy jets, helicopters, aircrafts, etc, Russia is obsessed with IRST in every airforce.

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Our answer is REJECT, we need to see Russia their loyalty and trust first, Putin must visit to Pakistan.

 

[Luftwaffe]

As recently Chinese have refused to sell FC20 over liscence issue. A Customised version of MIG-35 i believe is a much better option for Pakistan.
It is more capable on a lower Price and better Armaments. MIG-35 can be procured in about 30m dollar a piece if acquired upto 50 in numbers and with customized avionics.
while FC20 will be available in 46m dollar.
And Mikoyan is already in financial troubles and desperately needs to secure a foreign order.
We should procure upto 80 MIG-35 to counter indian Su30-MKI threat.



Crew: one or two
Length: 17.3 m (56 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12 m (39 ft 4 in)
Height: 4.7 m (15 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 38 m 2 (409 ft 2)
Empty weight: 11,000 kg (24,250 lb)
Loaded weight: 17,500 kg (38,600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 29,700 kg (65,500 lb)
Powerplant : 2 × Klimov RD-33 MK
afterburning turbofans
Dry thrust: 5,400 kgf , 53.0 kN (11,900
lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 9,000 kgf, 88.3
kN (19,800 lbf) each
Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 2.35 (2,600 km/h,
1,491 mph) at altitude; [26] 1,450 km/h (901
mph) at low-level
Range: 2,000 km (1,240 mi)
Combat radius: 1,000 km (620 mi)
Ferry range : 3,100 km (1,930 mi) with 3
external fuel tanks
Service ceiling: 17,500 m (57,400 ft )
Rate of climb : 330 m/s (65,000 ft/min [28] )
Thrust/weight: 1.03 [29]
Max. maneuvering load factor: 10.0 g [27]
Armament
Guns: 1× 30 mm GSh-30-1 cannon , 150
rounds
Hardpoints: 9 total (8× under-wing, 1×
centre-line) with a capacity of 7,000 kg [7]
Rockets: S-8, S-13, S-24, S-25L, S-250
unguided and laser-guided rockets
Missiles:
Air-to-air:
AA-10 Alamo: 4× R-27R, R-27T,
R-27ER, R-27ET
AA-8 Aphid : 4× R-60M
AA-11 Archer: 8× R-73E, R-73M,
R-74M
AA-12 Adder: 8× R-77
Air-to-surface:
AS-17 Krypton : 4× Kh-31A, Kh-31P
AS-14 Kedge: 4× Kh-29T, Kh-29L
Bombs:
Guided:
KAB-500L : 500 kg laser-guided bomb
KAB-500T : 500 kg TV-guided bomb
Unguided:
FAB-250 : 250 kg bomb
FAB-500 : 500 kg bomb
ZAB-500 fuel-air explosive Bomb
Avionics
Phazotron Zhuk AE AESA radar (or other
members of the Zhuk radar family) [30]
NII PP OLS-UEM Optical Location station


1-Dont spoil the thread by discussing "Budget Constraints" here. Economy is recovering. And we have to procure new platform even if we need to allocate funds by cutting back from some other sectors .Whatever budget related stuff comes to mind please dont discuss here. So if you believe that defence is not necessary please dont spoil the thread.
2-Buying Russian tech is possible. Dont take in Indian Pressure here. India is in no position to threaten Russia not to sale its arms to Pakistan because
a-Russian Mikoyan Gurevich is in dire financial troubles,Either india itself buys significant systems from it or let it sale
b-It is india that is dependent on russia not the other way around. India is in no position to cancel a 5th gen program on the basis of PAF acquiring a 4.5 gen platform. This point should not be discussed here either
3-"Russian Junk" and other useless trolls plz dont waste your time here

Who told you China refused FC-20 over license issues.

There is already Engine in advance testing. For more information check FC-20 Thread, Pakistan is not interested.

 

[Zhukov]

Theoretically possible But practically Impossible M-35 have many key features which is In-process with India MkI upgrade Eg Zhuk AE AESA radar ,OLS infra-red Many etc .Secondly Pakistan is not a Old Reputed customer of Russian tech like Indians and Chinese Don,t aspect them to TOT Key tech Like AESA etc to Country which is Direct threat to there Ally.PLus Chinese are More reliable in TOT for Pakistan than any other country in World

NO Trolling Just a Point of View

Customized Avionics are always there in case of Pakistan. And i dont think its cold war situation of Polarization. Mikoyan is getting bankrupt. There Ally refused to buy from them in favour of French. So its commercial bro. India is ally but Pakistan is no enemy to Russia. Either India Bails out mikoyan or let other buyers save it. nothing wrong here.
2nd Largest Division of its Aviation Industry is more important to Russia then an Ally my friend.
J10 is nowhere to be seen as more delays in WS10.
We cannot wait that long.
BTW your points are concrete and Factual but i beg to disagree. World have changed

 

[Luftwaffe]

Customized Avionics are always there in case of Pakistan. And i dont think its cold war situation of Polarization. Mikoyan is getting bankrupt. There Ally refused to buy from them in favour of French. So its commercial bro. India is ally but Pakistan is no enemy to Russia. Either India Bails out mikoyan or let other buyers save it. nothing wrong here.
2nd Largest Division of its Aviation Industry is more important to Russia then an Ally my friend.
J10 is nowhere to be seen as more delays in WS10.
We cannot wait that long.
BTW your points are concrete and Factual but i beg to disagree. World have changed

No delays in WS-10, simply Pakistan is not Interested in the same Generation. Funds are allocated for only JF-17s maybe after 150 JF-17s the remaining Mirage ROSEs could be replaced with something, Mirage ROSEs are going no where for the next 8 years atleast.

 

[Zhukov]

Keeping all other reasons aside, the fact that it is evolution of MiG 29 which is already employed by IAF, reason enough for PAF to not choose it.



IRST..................

Both India And China use Flanker series as there Front line fighters. Vietnam and China as well .Also Iran and Iraq have been using Fulcrums on both side in 90s. Whats the point here bro?.
Super Fulcrum is equavalent to Flanker series currently deployed by Indians. I dont see a problem here if India owns older Fulcrums, If india and China can use Flankers at the same time.

 

[Informant]

Both India And China use Flanker series as there Front line fighters. Vietnam and China as well .Also Iran and Iraq have been using Fulcrums on both side in 90s. Whats the point here bro?.
Super Fulcrum is equavalent to Flanker series currently deployed by Indians. I dont see a problem here if India owns older Fulcrums, If india and China can use Flankers at the same time.

Big countries need bigger legs for their planes.

Black Mole lol

Yes, it is common IRST to detect and track objects like enemy jets, helicopters, aircrafts, etc, Russia is obsessed with IRST in every airforce.

Our answer is REJECT, we need to see Russia their loyalty and trust first, Putin must visit to Pakistan.

Mole.....MMMole.....Moly moly moly moly moly moly

Yup the Russians seem to be obsessed with these bad boys. Why dont the Thunger got it?

 

[Secret Service]

could be an option for twin engine fighter jet...but i dont know what is the thinking and policy of PAF after rejecting fc20

 

[VelocuR]

Big countries need bigger legs for their planes.




Mole.....MMMole.....Moly moly moly moly moly moly

Yup the Russians seem to be obsessed with these bad boys. Why dont the Thunger got it?

JF-17 Block 3 possible will have IRST black mole on their nose near future, it is some funds issues I think.