Lockheed, Pentagon reach $4 billion deal for more F-35 jets

[Superboy]

Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Kosovo? Afghanistan? There was no challenge there.. We could have dusted off WW2 aircrafts and still won the air, and naval battles.

No challenges? Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of US soldiers who lost their lives in those places. Show some respect, man.

 

[libertad]

F-16 were shot down over Serbia by 1960s SA-6. F-35 could be shot down by Buk M2 / M3 and SA-22 Greyhound which Syria has and which have phased array radars.

Not only that a 'stealth' f117 (the cream of the crop at the time) was shot down by 60s era air defense.

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[Oldman1]

Korea? Vietnam? Iraq? Kosovo? Afghanistan? None of these countries had an airforce or navy. There was no challenge there.. We could have dusted off WW2 aircrafts and still won the air, and naval battles.

LOL! If it was that easy, we wouldn't even lose any sophisticated aircraft against those countries especially Vietnam, Iraq, Serbia, etc. Besides using old WW2 aircraft.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No challenges? Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of US soldiers who lost their lives in those places. Show some respect, man.

only slightly over 100,000 at the most.

 

[Superboy]

Not only that a 'stealth' f117 (the cream of the crop at the time) was shot down by 60s era air defense.

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Not stealthy to the naked eye.

only slightly over 100,000 at the most.

Way more because US government officially reported number of KIA is way less than actual number of KIA.

 

[libertad]

LOL! If it was that easy, we wouldn't even lose any sophisticated aircraft against those countries especially Vietnam, Iraq, Serbia, etc. Besides using old WW2 aircraft.

But there was never any airforce or navy to truly test our equipment against.

 

[Superboy]

But there was never any airforce or navy to truly test our equipment against.

Send some to Ukraine and they be shot down by S-300 / 400.

 

[Oldman1]

But there was never any airforce or navy to truly test our equipment against.

Truly tested? The Vietnamese had aces because of good training and aircraft during the Vietnam War hence the need for better training and aircraft for the U.S. Navy and Air Force. Iraq had sophisticated AA system and aircraft and large quantities as well but was overwhelmed because of lessons from Vietnam, but still lost aircraft. Same for Serbia which was bombed for 78 days straight but lost aircraft.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Not stealthy to the naked eye.

Way more because US government officially reported number of KIA is way less than actual number of KIA.

Don't you think their families would have a problem with them not being listed on a war memorial?

 

[Superboy]

Don't you think their families would have a problem with them not being listed on a war memorial?

Not enough room to list all of them on there.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Not enough room to list all of them there.

Go away troll

 

[Oldman1]

Not enough room to list all of them on there.

You can't hide the dead. Same for the Russians trying to hide their losses from the families as bodies come home from the conflict in Ukraine.

 

[Superboy]

I have a friend who's an officer in the UAE air force and he told me during the Iraq war days that US official report of KIA was way less than actual number of KIA. He has information from the US military.

You can't hide the dead. Same for the Russians trying to hide their losses from the families as bodies come home from the conflict in Ukraine.

Soldiers are typically from poor families. Poor families are happy getting a compensation from the US government if their sons are KIA. That's why the US government lost so much money from 2003 to 2008.

 

[Oldman1]

Soldiers are typically from poor families. Poor families are happy getting a compensation from the US government if their sons are KIA. That's why the US government lost so much money from 2003 to 2008.

Okay whatever you said.

 

[libertad]

Truly tested? The Vietnamese had aces because of good training and aircraft during the Vietnam War hence the need for better training and aircraft for the U.S. Navy and Air Force. Iraq had sophisticated AA system and aircraft and large quantities as well but was overwhelmed because of lessons from Vietnam, but still lost aircraft. Same for Serbia which was bombed for 78 days straight but lost aircraft.

Has we ever lost an aircraft post WW2 from another fighter?