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Khaqan Abbasi excuse s himself from appearing before NAB today & NAB arrested him

you are not correct sir ,In other words all elections are rigged and selected politicians gets the chance also more than 35 years or half life the country is run by Dictatorship (not choosed by people) remaining 35 is always selected Govts so people has no to little say

All the persons, who ever ruled over Pakistan, in any capacity, whether civilian or military, didn't believe, at all, in the rule and supremacy of law. Application of law, in Pakistan, has ever been selective. In such a lawless society, why does it matter, whether it is martial law or whatever. What I have said is that a governing majority of the people of Pakistan have accepted this situation, without much hue and cry. Change only comes, when a large majority of people go and struggle for it. Most of the people, supporting any political party, happily condone the lawless acts of their leaders and parties. This is the bitter fact. All else is mere fantasy.
 
lol again hatred and opinion of yourself ,people voted for them in Millions and it is the People who will decide rather than you and me here


When you choose/elect who gave you briany plate smelling notes, you cannot get out from 3rd world country’s status as you are blinded like the millions others who ate the same briany smelling PKR notes.
 
When you choose/elect who gave you briany plate smelling notes, you cannot get out from 3rd world country’s status as you are blinded like the millions others who ate the same briany smelling PKR notes.
Similarly when you have sugar mills you can just stop payments and whole village will vote for you or better if you have a winner from establishment no need for Biryanis as well

All the persons, who ever ruled over Pakistan, in any capacity, whether civilian or military, didn't believe, at all, in the rule and supremacy of law. Application of law, in Pakistan, has ever been selective. In such a lawless society, why does it matter, whether it is martial law or whatever. What I have said is that a governing majority of the people of Pakistan have accepted this situation, without much hue and cry. Change only comes, when a large majority of people go and struggle for it. Most of the people, supporting any political party, happily condone the lawless acts of their leaders and parties. This is the bitter fact. All else is mere fantasy.
Agreed to some extent due to Mughal emporer ship plus perks and benefits when you join the new office .Its more of a cultural thing where new cast system is power .But again fundamentals of the society is still strong only lack is the system which Unfortunately is never able to implemented by some grey forces ,weather it is Dictator or civil leaders .
 
That’s not an answer to the question which was and still is :

Should we — I will add a small twist in it — let PPP and PML-N continue to buy people with a plate of bariany or some notes in the pockets ?

Maybe your briany smells bank’s notes.





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PML-N/PPP : Flare ! Flare!...
fed up awam : no sir !
PML-N/PPP : Shaft! Shaft !
fed up awam : no sir ! You have just farted.
PML-N/PPP : Ok well Fart ! Fart !

lol again hatred and opinion of yourself ,people voted for them in Millions and it is the People who will decide rather than you and me here

When you choose/elect who gave you briany plate smelling notes, you cannot get out from 3rd world country’s status as you are blinded like the millions others who ate the same briany smelling PKR notes.

Similarly when you have sugar mills you can just stop payments and whole village will vote for you or better if you have a winner from establishment no need for Biryanis as well

You still didn’t replied to the question:
Should we...PML-N, PPP...?
 
You still didn’t replied to the question:
Should we...PML-N, PPP...?
Its not you and me its masses and they have every bit right to select who so ever even Or beloved Altaf bhai ,Bcas this is the only way forward ,If they are to be gradually elected out they will be wipped out but our Establishment is insisting on making Bhutto Zinda and now Nawaz Sharif and Maryam as leader
 
Its not you and me its masses and they have every bit right to select who so ever even Or beloved Altaf bhai ,Bcas this is the only way forward ,If they are to be gradually elected out they will be wipped out but our Establishment is insisting on making Bhutto Zinda and now Nawaz Sharif and Maryam as leader

How are they insisting ?
 
This guy's face looks like a raccoon


That was deep ....sight ....

I see the same view point you see

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you are not correct sir ,In other words all elections are rigged and selected politicians gets the chance also more than 35 years or half life the country is run by Dictatorship (not choosed by people) remaining 35 is always selected Govts so people has no to little say
The youth form the majority of Pakistan. Anyone age 30 or below, pretty much supports Imran Khan, and that forms the bulk of the population. It's not difficult to figure out who the youth support, almost every youth one can pull on the corner of a street will whole hardheartedly support Imran Khan. The youth will continue to form larger share of population.

There is no way that majority of people support Nawaz Sharif. Can anyone show me pictures of PML-N jalsa which are bigger than PTI jalsa?

It is indisputable that PML-N rigged the 2013 elections. There was photographic evidence of ballot boxes being burnt, even inside places inside Punjab considered to be strongholds like Narowal. There was video evidence of previous federal ministers, literally, walking inside polling centers for women! This is in complete contrast with 2018 elections, which even EU says were more fairer. Only issue was supposed "pre-poll rigging" in the form of unfair media coverage - which is pointless as most people don't have television sets and many hate PML-N & PPP, media or not. Imran Khan has even given opposition many chances to dispute election results and do recount, they refuse. Why? It's they know if there is recount, they would lose even harder!

I hear those accusing establishment of supporting PTI? Well the same establishment supported PML-N as it rigged the 2013 elections! I remember very clearly former General Kayani indirectly taunting Imran Khan right after the 2013 election, claiming that "the nation has rejected" those "misguiding the youth"! I can understand why they did this. It's because Imran Khan was against the Waziristan Operation and he publicly claimed after OBL Raid, that he would bring army firmly under civilian control. Thanks to their army's policies, you have a country that lost 70k lives, hundred of billions of economic damages, was disgraced & humiliated internationally through the OBL Raid, and now indebted to the neck. The only thing the establishment did right this time is that they stopped the regular rigging that PML-N do every election.

This is why I said, Imran Khan is literally fixing the deep mess the country is in, one by one.
 
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The youth form the majority of Pakistan. Anyone age 30 or below, pretty much supports Imran Khan, and that forms the bulk of the population. It's not difficult to figure out who the youth support, almost every youth one can pull on the corner of a street will whole hardheartedly support Imran Khan. The youth will continue to form larger share of population.

There is no way that majority of people support Nawaz Sharif. Can anyone show me pictures of PML-N jalsa which are bigger than PTI jalsa?

It is indisputable that PML-N rigged the 2013 elections. There was photographic evidence of ballot boxes being burnt, even inside places inside Punjab considered to be strongholds like Narowal. There was video evidence of previous federal ministers, literally, walking inside polling centers for women! This is in complete contrast with 2018 elections, which even EU says were more fairer. Only issue was supposed "pre-poll rigging" in the form of unfair media coverage - which is pointless as most people don't have television sets and many hate PML-N & PPP, media or not. Imran Khan has even given opposition many chances to dispute election results and do recount, they refuse. Why? It's they know if there is recount, they would lose even harder!

I hear those accusing establishment of supporting PTI? Well the same establishment supported PML-N as it rigged the 2013 elections! I remember very clearly former General Kayani indirectly taunting Imran Khan right after the 2013 election, claiming that "the nation has rejected" those "misguiding the youth"! I can understand why they did this. It's because Imran Khan was against the Waziristan Operation and he publicly claimed after OBL Raid, that he would bring army firmly under civilian control. Thanks to their army's policies, you have a country that lost 70k lives, hundred of billions of economic damages, was disgraced & humiliated internationally through the OBL Raid, and now indebted to the neck. The only thing the establishment did right this time is that they stopped the regular rigging that PML-N do every election.
again sentiment ,youth 30 below residing in urban posh areas represent less than 1% .have a good day
 
Until now most of the articles & TV debates about the allegation of corruption of billions in the LNG deal were based upon pure rhetoric (the art of persuading naive people by telling them what they want to hear with any reference to the actual facts) by people who had no idea about the mechanics of the international LNG market. One such was Rauf Klasra who claimed that LNG terminal could have been built in Rs 2-billion when the jetty where the LNG FRSU will be anchored cost a lot more to build and the FRSU vessel costs upward of $300-million.

I also heard ex CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry say that he saved the country billions of dollars thru his judgment. Alas, the road to hell is paved with good intentions and the naive Ex CJ failed to acknowledge that while Pakistan has thus far gained Zero income from Rekodiq, she may have to dish out $6-billion as the direct consequence of his judgment. No wonder FDI has dropped to a trickle.

I would not even deem to comment about the NAB law that arrests the people even though they are neither about to run away nor have been sentenced by a court of law.

Here is, at last, an article about LNG by someone who knows what he is writing about.



Arresting LNG


Khurram Husain

August 15, 2019

BY now, it has become so normal and routine a procedure that very few people even notice it. The government enters into a large deal with a local or foreign investor, questions are raised about the deal, key people involved in it are arrested, the deal is killed or halted, and there the matter dies.

In the public sphere, some TV anchors and commentators dance around the issue the way primitive tribes danced around a fire to celebrate a successful hunt. Then the dust settles, everybody forgets what the issue was in the first place, and things move on. And then it happens all over again, in a different deal, involving different people, under a different government.

Ask yourself this: what exactly was the Supreme Court’s problem with the original Steel Mills privatisation back in 2006? How many people remember? Or what specifically was the issue with the Reko Diq case? There were two judgements given in that case, one in 2011 and another in 2013. What was the issue in each? Or try the Karkay case for that matter. How many can recall what precise points of law were raised in that case and what was the issue?

Try another example. Remember the arrest of former petroleum minister Asim Hussain? And what exactly was the issue there? His indictment said he was guilty of Rs462 billion worth of corruption, but does anybody remember how they arrived at this number? Hint: the reasoning involved was so absurd that it should be memorable for that reason alone. Does anybody know what the status is of that indictment today? One reference is indeed moving forward, but it has a very different set of charges and allegations compared to the one that had the infamous ‘Rs462bn’ worth of corruption allegation. Does anybody know which one?

Then the government changed again, and those who had successfully closed the LNG deal found it was their turn to face absurd queries.

The costs of this sort of gaming of business deals make for grievous reading. Never mind the $6bn judgement given against Pakistan in the Reko Diq case. The amount is largely symbolic. Consider how killing the original LNG import deal back in 2006 meant that Pakistan had to sit out the growth of the world LNG market for more than a decade.

Our domestic reservoirs of gas declined at an accelerating pace from 2010 onwards, massive deficits opened up between gas supply and demand, cities went up in the flames of street protests for days on end as factories were shut and unemployed workers poured into the streets. Our industry gasped for its vital fuel for almost five years until the shortages finally began to recede when a new government managed to get an LNG deal through and gas supplies began to return to normal.

Then the government changed again, and those who had successfully closed the LNG deal found it was their turn to face absurd queries and questions from people who have no clue whatsoever how global LNG markets operate, how financing of large private-sector gas infrastructure like floating regasification units is carried out. In the Steel Mills judgement of 2006, the presiding judges famously asked one of the lawyers to explain how a ‘discounted cash flow’ analysis method works, and it had to be explained to them that the word ‘discount’ in this case does not mean the same discount that they ask from shopkeepers when they go shopping with their families.

This time around people are comparing the prices of LNG from spot markets with those from long-term supply agreements that are indexed to crude oil, and wondering why these prices are different. They are different because those are two completely different markets! From the questions being asked by NAB, the same entity that thought that a World Bank model designed to estimate the flow remittances around the world based on certain assumptions somehow provided proof that billions of dollars of corruption money was flowing from Pakistan to India, it appears that they have no specific handle on any wrong doing in the deal. In short, they are fishing for clues.

One day, they ask whether PPRA rules were followed when bidding for the supply contract was done. The next day, they want to know the roles of specific people in concluding the deal. Then they ask why long-term supply is better than buying from spot markets. This is a technical and factual question, the answer to which can be obtained from a text book or an industry publication; it does not require a law-enforcement investigation.

Currently, three people are in detention because of this sad and pathetic story. I know two of them well — Miftah Ismail and Sheikh Imranul Haq — and can say without a shadow of doubt that they are both fine and honourable men. One can question and investigate all one wants, but to hold them in custody like this is unfair and amounts to victimisation.

The third is a former prime minister of the country, Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, and though I do not know him beyond a few face-to-face encounters, it is worth asking why he or the others in this case need to be held in custody if they are already cooperating and providing answers to all the questions that they are asked.

I often get visits in my office by foreign investors who wish to discuss the economy and general direction of things in our country. I can confirm that in almost all cases, the foremost concern on their minds is the sanctity of contracts in Pakistan, from one government to the next. A decade of throwing around allegations, that are quickly forgotten once the short-term objectives being pursued under the guise of accountability have been achieved, must end.

The writer is a member of staff.

khurram.husain@gmail.com

Twitter: @khurramhusain

Published in Dawn, August 15th, 2019

https://www.dawn.com/news/1499618/arresting-lng
 
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