Iraqi brigade swaps Abrams for T-90S tanks

[Frogman]

Abraham's

Abrams*

u havnt seen its trails video from Pakistan yet.....thats why i said, wait for next war, u will know why i said this.

Sure, the ultimate barometer for the world's most battle tested tank (primarily in desert environments) are the obscure results of a Pakistani tender several decades ago.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Desert Storm was fought in the desert you dipstick.

There was nothing wrong with Patton. It was Pakstan Army failures at strategic and tactical level. For instance the crews had problem in operating the new optical sights. In addition there were often too few infantry to cover the tanks.


That is true but just like how US technology prevailed in the sky it prevailed on the ground. In one on one encounters between US tanks and Iraqi tanks the former shredded the Iraqis.

u idiot! yr not a person who has studied the warfare have u? let alone desert. The war yr refering to has been largely success thanks to A10s and air warfare Americans had launched. Within a few hrs/days they had neutralized their entire(Iraqi) CnC. Those Tanks yr referring to and rest of iraqi forces were then shooting blind.

Abt Pattons, that wasnt the only reason...Yr really arnt from an army background r u?? thats a comment knowledge among Army ranks what i have written.....Infact search this forum, it was discussed here as well. Before u and i joined. There is a reason why no other western tank joined our forces after that! never ever.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/al-khalid-tank-type-90-iim-mbt-2000-information-pool.127686/

Abrams*



Sure, the ultimate barometer for the world's most battle tested tank (primarily in desert environments) are the obscure results of a Pakistani tender several decades ago.

haha the ultimate barometer for any tank is how it performs in battle field that too not in the hands of a superpower.....They had a lot of advantages against an obscure iraqi army's coldwar era equipment. Thats also how tiny israel also ends up dominating its larger arab adversaries, in short, swift wars with full technological and firepower through air ...... About second iraq war's (2003), That credit however goes to Air warfare of America specially the A10! However neither current Iraq nor Egypt has that many resources, that airpower nor A10s.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

u idiot!

Look faggot, you seem to be real expert on tank warfare - clearly Abrahams and Abrams has you befuddled.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Look faggot, you seem to be real expert on tank warfare - clearly Abrahams and Abrams has you befuddled.

sure kid! thats all u have to say

 

[Indus Pakistan]

sure kid! thats all u have to say

A-B-R-A-M-S. Not Abrahams Mr Tank expert ...

 

[Umair Nawaz]

A-B-R-A-M-S. Not Abrahams Mr Tank expert ...

ok sir

 

[imadul]

Desert Storm was fought in the desert you dipstick.

There was nothing wrong with Patton. It was Pakstan Army failures at strategic and tactical level. For instance the crews had problem in operating the new optical sights. In addition there were often too few infantry to cover the tanks.


That is true but just like how US technology prevailed in the sky it prevailed on the ground. In one on one encounters between US tanks and Iraqi tanks the former shredded the Iraqis.

Agree. But training and morale counts.
What could the hapless Iraqi army do.

 

[ReturningCamel]

Majority of Iraqi tanks were T-62's don't forget.

 

[Oldman1]

Iraqi armi, all or most of it destroyed from air.

No, most of the Iraqi Army was being destroyed by Abrams and Bradleys. Not from the air even though they show that on tv alot especially the Highway of Death but that was stolen cars behinds military vehicles. You can't actually show footage of Abrams point of view blowing up tanks constantly on video back in the old days because it doesn't exist.

 

[Basel]

One of the reasons why Pakistan rejected this tank multiple times as recent as 2007...They r not suitable for desert warfare.

Which version was offered in 2007?

 

[khanmubashir]

It's a bit perplexing how this nonsense continues to be bandied around the internet. The Abrams has proven perfectly reliable in every environment its been put into.





A tank that has had successful tours in desert environments across the Middle East and continues to serve in multiple nations with desert environments is not suitable for desert warfare?

It's gas turbine engine is a gas guzzler and service intensive
Making frequently mandatory pitstop not suitable for military with limited resources

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Which version was offered in 2007?

dont know....M1A1 most likely or A2.

 

[ReturningCamel]

No, most of the Iraqi Army was being destroyed by Abrams and Bradleys. Not from the air even though they show that on tv alot especially the Highway of Death but that was stolen cars behinds military vehicles. You can't actually show footage of Abrams point of view blowing up tanks constantly on video back in the old days because it doesn't exist.

Bradley's destroyed more Iraqi tanks than Abrams did. (just for added info).

 

[Sinnerman108]

Abrams*



Sure, the ultimate barometer for the world's most battle tested tank (primarily in desert environments) are the obscure results of a Pakistani tender several decades ago.

I believe the point being logistics clearly.
Abrams is a very good tank,
however once projected in the desert environment, it WILL require a lot of upkeep.
For some countries, that amount of upkeep is not a problem. Whereas some countries would like
to use that effort for other purposes.

That is all there is to it.

Robust and simple Russian design Vs Complicated albeit capable US design.

 

[Ceylal]

I believe the point being logistics clearly.
Abrams is a very good tank,
however once projected in the desert environment, it WILL require a lot of upkeep.
For some countries, that amount of upkeep is not a problem. Whereas some countries would like
to use that effort for other purposes.

That is all there is to it.

Robust and simple Russian design Vs Complicated albeit capable US design.

The US is puting a lot of pressure and restriction of their use against ISIS for fear of the Iraqi loosing them .Iraq got tired of their crap , so they replaced them by the T90...where they don’t have to answer to anyone how ,when, where and against whom they use them..