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This thread is created to put a chip on their backs and put target on them..

Let us see them show their heads in Pakistan and Afghanistan revolt like KSA and Bahrain the reponse will be harsher then these two places.. Let them revolt in Lebanon and Iraq they won't either... Yemen is an example don't try that at home..

But this pseudo existence of being real or myth will work in most countries bearing you aren't armed like KSA, Bahrain, Pakistan and Afghanistan.. nothing personal just nobody will allow unregulated militia to roam
 
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I am telling you man, we should keep talking about it till GOP wakes up and kill the traitors
There's no other way but to keep talking about it
On SM, PDF etc

Some years ago we didn't even talk about it, atleast now there's a conversation
Majority of sunnies don't know there is khums and shia send their money to Iran.

The other reason is Pakistan main stream media is owned by Shias.

Hameed Haroon of Dawn group is shia.
Lakhanies of Express group are shia and
Mirs of Jang, Geo group are shia.

That's why you will never going to see name Iran, it will neighboring Islamic country (parosi islami mulk)
 
Majority of sunnies don't know there is khums and shia send their money to Iran.

The other reason is Pakistan main stream media is owned by Shias.

Hameed Haroon of Dawn group is shia.
Lakhanies of Express group are shia and
Mirs of Jang, Geo group are shia.

That's why you will never going to see name Iran, it will neighboring Islamic country (parosi islami mulk)
Stop misguiding people. Do you know what you are doing?
 
These anti-Iran elements are comfortable about subservience to the US regime or western-controlled international financial institutions (unsurprisingly, that part of your post was ignored). All they obsess about is Iran. Which is pretty much what the west and zionists want and expect them to do.

Other than shias no one is Pakistan is obsessed with Iran. You are way way down in our priorities list but at the same time your establishment is recruiting my countrymen to fight for its interest and those people are involved in terrorists activities. Your land is being used by our enemy to launch spies.

Pakistan cannot and should not take stray flying arrow of FATF in her butt.


What does the above article have to do with the present discussion? Someone's accused of having made personal use of donations. Not related to Iranian policy at all.
It was not one off incident.
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It's rumble time in Tehran. At dozens of intersections in the capital of Iran thousands of students are protesting on a recent Friday around midnight, as they do nearly every night, chanting pro-democracy slogans and lighting bonfires on street corners. Residents of the surrounding middle-class neighborhoods converge in their cars, honking their horns in raucous support.

Suddenly there's thunder in the air. A gang of 30 motorcyclists, brandishing iron bars and clubs, roars through the stalled traffic. They glare at the drivers, yell threats, thump cars. Burly and bearded, the bikers yank two men from their auto and pummel them. Most protesters scatter. Uniformed policemen watch impassively as the thugs beat the last stragglers.

These bikers are part of the Hezbollah militia, recruited mostly from the countryside. Iran's ruling mullahs roll them out whenever they need to intimidate their opponents. The Islamic Republic is a strange dictatorship. As it moves to repress growing opposition to clerical rule, the regime relies not on soldiers or uniformed police (many of whom sympathize with the protesters) but on the bullies of Hezbollah and the equally thuggish Revolutionary Guards. The powers that be claim to derive legitimacy from Allah but remain on top with gangster like methods of intimidation, violence and murder.

Who controls today's Iran? Certainly not Mohammad Khatami, the twice-elected moderate president, or the reformist parliament. Not even the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei--a stridently anti-American but unremarkable cleric plucked from the religious ranks 14 years ago to fill the shoes of his giant predecessor, Ayatollah Khomeini--is fully in control. The real power is a handful of clerics and their associates who call the shots behind the curtain and have gotten very rich in the process.

The economy bears more than a little resemblance to the crony capitalism that sprouted from the wreck of the Soviet Union. The 1979 revolution expropriated the assets of foreign investors and the nation's wealthiest families; oil had long been nationalized, but the mullahs seized virtually everything else of value--banks, hotels, car and chemical companies, makers of drugs and consumer goods. What distinguishes Iran is that many of these assets were given to Islamic charitable foundations, controlled by the clerics. According to businessmen and former foundation executives, the charities now serve as slush funds for the mullahs and their supporters.

Iran has other lethal secrets besides its nuclear program, now the subject of prying international eyes. Dozens of interviews with businessmen, merchants, economists and former ministers and other top government officials reveal a picture of a dictatorship run by a shadow government that--the U.S. State Department suspects--finances terrorist groups abroad through a shadow foreign policy. Its economy is dominated by shadow business empires and its power is protected by a shadow army of enforcers.

Ironically, the man most adept at manipulating this hidden power structure is one of Iran's best-known characters--Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, who has been named an ayatollah, or religious leader. He was the speaker of parliament and Khomeini's right-hand man in the 1980s, president of Iran from 1989 to 1997 and is now chairman of the powerful Expediency Council, which resolves disputes between the clerical establishment and parliament. Rafsanjani has more or less run the Islamic Republic for the past 24 years.

He played it smart, aligning himself in the 1960s with factions led by Ayatollah Khomeini, then becoming the go-to guy after the revolution. A hard-liner ideologically, Rafsanjani nonetheless has a pragmatic streak. He convinced Khomeini to end the Iran-Iraq war and broke Iran's international isolation by establishing trade relations with the Soviet Union, China, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. In the 1990s he restarted Iran's nuclear program.

He is also the father of Iran's "privatization" program. During his presidency the stock market was revived, some government companies were sold to insiders, foreign trade was liberalized and the oil sector was opened up to private companies. Most of the good properties and contracts, say dissident members of Iran's Chamber of Commerce, ended up in the hands of mullahs, their associates and, not least, Rafsanjani's family, who rose from modest origins as pistachio farmers. "They were not rich people, so they worked hard and always tried to help their relatives get ahead," remembers Reza, a historian who declines to use his last name and who studied with one of Rafsanjani's brothers at Tehran University in the early 1970s. "When they were in university, two brothers earned money on the side tutoring theological students and preparing their exam papers."

The 1979 revolution transformed the Rafsanjani clan into commercial pashas. One brother headed the country's largest copper mine; another took control of the state-owned TV network; a brother-in-law became governor of Kerman province, while a cousin runs an outfit that dominates Iran's $400 million pistachio export business; a nephew and one of Rafsanjani's sons took key positions in the Ministry of Oil; another son heads the Tehran Metro construction project (an estimated $700 million spent so far). Today, operating through various foundations and front companies, the family is also believed to control one of Iran's biggest oil engineering companies, a plant assembling Daewoo automobiles, and Iran's best private airline (though the Rafsanjanis insist they do not own these assets).

None of this sits well with the populace, whose per capita income is $1,800 a year. The gossip on the street, going well beyond the observable facts, has the Rafsanjanis stashing billions of dollars in bank accounts in Switzerland and Luxembourg; controlling huge swaths of waterfront in Iran's free economic zones on the Persian Gulf; and owning whole vacation resorts on the idyllic beaches of Dubai, Goa and Thailand.

But not much of the criticism makes its way into print. One journalist who dared to investigate Rafsanjani's secret dealings and his alleged role in extrajudicial killings of dissidents is now languishing in jail. He's lucky. Iranian politics can be deadly. Five years ago Tehran was rocked by murders of journalists and anticorruption activists; some were beheaded, others mutilated.

Some of the family's wealth is out there for all to see. Rafsanjani's youngest son, Yaser, owns a 30-acre horse farm in the superfashionable Lavasan neighborhood of north Tehran, where land goes for over $4 million an acre. Just where did Yaser get his money? A Belgian-educated businessman, he runs a large export-import firm that includes baby food, bottled water and industrial machinery.

Until a few years ago the simplest way to get rich quick was through foreign-currency trades. Easy, if you could get greenbacks at the subsidized import rate of 1,750 rials to the dollar and resell them at the market rate of 8,000 to the dollar. You needed only the right connections for an import license. "I estimate that, over a period of ten years, Iran lost $3 billion to $5 billion annually from this kind of exchange-rate fraud," says Saeed Laylaz, an economist, now with Iran's biggest carmaker. "And the lion's share of that went to about 50 families."

One of the families benefiting from the foreign trade system was the Asgaroladis, an old Jewish clan of bazaar traders, who converted to Islam several generations ago. Asadollah Asgaroladi exports pistachios, cumin, dried fruit, shrimp and caviar, and imports sugar and home appliances; his fortune is estimated by Iranian bankers to be some $400 million. Asgaroladi had a little help from his older brother, Habibollah, who, as minister of commerce in the 1980s, was in charge of distributing lucrative foreign-trade licenses. (He was also a counterparty to commodities trader and then-fugitive Marc Rich, who helped Iran bypass U.S.-backed sanctions.)

The other side of Iran's economy belongs to the Islamic foundations, which account for 10% to 20% of the nation's GDP--$115 billion last year. Known as bonyads, the best-known of these outfits were established from seized property and enterprises by order of Ayatollah Khomeini in the first weeks of his regime. Their mission was to redistribute to the impoverished masses the "illegitimate" wealth accumulated before the revolution by "apostates" and "blood-sucking capitalists." And, for a decade or so, the foundations shelled out money to build low-income housing and health clinics. But since Khomeini's death in 1989 they have increasingly forsaken their social welfare functions for straightforward commercial activities.

Until recently they were exempt from taxes, import duties and most government regulation. They had access to subsidized foreign currency and low-interest loans from state-owned banks. And they were not accountable to the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance or any other government institution. Formally, they are under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Leader; effectively, they operate without any oversight, answerable only to Allah.

According to Shiite Muslim tradition, devout businessmen are expected to donate 20% of profits to their local mosques, which use the money to help the poor. By contrast, many bonyads seem like rackets, extorting money from entrepreneurs. Besides the biggest national outfits, almost every Iranian town has its own bonyad, affiliated with local mullahs. "Many small businessmen complain that as soon as you start to make some money, the leading mullah will come to you and ask for a contribution to his local charity," says an opposition economist, who declines to give his name. "If you refuse, you will be accused of not being a good Muslim. Some witnesses will turn up to testify that they heard you insult the Prophet Mohammad, and you will be thrown in jail."

Other charities resemble multinational conglomerates. The Mostazafan & Jambazan Foundation (Foundation for the Oppressed and War Invalids) is the second-largest commercial enterprise in the country, behind the state-owned National Iranian Oil Co. Until recently it was run by a man named Mohsen Rafiqdoost. The son of a vegetable-and-fruit merchant at the Tehran bazaar, Rafiqdoost got his big break in 1979, when he was chosen to drive Ayatollah Khomeini from the airport after his triumphal return from exile in Paris.

Khomeini made him Minister of the Revolutionary Guards to quash internal dissent and smuggle in weapons for the Iran-Iraq war. In 1989, when Rafsanjani became president, Rafiqdoost gained control of the Mostazafan Foundation, which employs up to 400,000 workers and has assets that in all probability exceed $10 billion.

Theoretically the Mostazafan Foundation is a social welfare organization. By 1996 it began taking government funds to cover welfare disbursements; soon it plans to spin off its social responsibilities altogether, leaving behind a purely commercial conglomerate owned by--whom? That is not clear. Why does this foundation exist? "I don't know--ask Mr. Rafiqdoost," says Abbas Maleki, a foreign policy adviser to Ayatollah Rafsanjani.

A picture emerges from one Iranian businessman who used to handle the foreign trade deals for one of the big foundations. Organizations like the Mostazafan serve as giant cash boxes, he says, to pay off supporters of the mullahs, whether they're thousands of peasants bused in to attend religious demonstrations in Tehran or Hezbollah thugs who beat up students. And, not least, the foundations serve as cash cows for their managers.

"It usually works like this," explains this businessman. "Some foreigner comes in, proposes a deal to the foundation head. The big boss says: Fine. I agree. Work out the details with my administrator.' So the foreigner goes to see the administrator, who tells him: You know that we have two economies here--official and unofficial. You have to be part of the unofficial economy if you want to be successful. So, you have to deposit the following amount into the following bank account abroad and then the deal will go forward.'"

Today Rafiqdoost heads up the Noor Foundation, which owns apartment blocks and makes an estimated $200 million importing pharmaceuticals, sugar and construction materials. He is quick to downplay his personal wealth. "I am just a normal person, with normal wealth," he says. Then, striking a Napoleonic pose, he adds: "But if Islam is threatened, I will become big again."

Implication: He has access to a secret reservoir of money that can be tapped when the need arises. That may have been what Ayatollah Rafsanjani had in mind when he declared recently that the Islamic Republic needed to keep large funds in reserve. But who is to determine when Islam is in danger?

As minister of the Revolutionary Guards in the 1980s, Rafiqdoost played a key role in sponsoring Hezbollah in Lebanon--which kidnapped foreigners, hijacked airplanes, set off car bombs, trafficked in heroin and pioneered the use of suicide bombers. According to Gregory Sullivan, spokesman for the Near Eastern Affairs Bureau at the U.S. State Department, the foundations are the perfect vehicles to carry out Iran's shadow foreign policy. Whenever suspicion of complicity in a terrorist incident turns to Iran, the Tehran government has denied involvement. State Department officials suspect that such operations may be sponsored by one of the foundations and semiautonomous units of the Revolutionary Guards.

Iran's foundations are a law unto themselves. The largest "charity" (at least in terms of real estate holdings) is the centuries-old Razavi Foundation, charged with caring for Iran's most revered shrine--the tomb of Reza, the Eighth Shiite Imam, in the northern city of Mashhad. It is run by one of Iran's leading hard-line mullahs, Ayatollah Vaez-Tabasi, who prefers to stay out of the public eye but emerges occasionally to urge death to apostates and other opponents of the clerical regime.

The Razavi Foundation owns vast tracts of urban real estate all across Iran, as well as hotels, factories, farms and quarries. Its assets are impossible to value with any precision, since the foundation has never released an inventory of its holdings, but Iranian economists speak of a net asset value of $15 billion or more. The foundation also receives generous contributions from the millions of pilgrims who visit the Mashhad shrine each year.

What happens to annual revenues estimated in the hundreds of millions--perhaps billions--of dollars? Not all of it goes to cover the maintenance costs of mosques, cemeteries, religious schools and libraries. Over the past decade the foundation has bought new businesses and properties, established investment banks (together with investors from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates) and financed big foreign trade deals.

The driving force behind the commercialization of the Razavi Foundation is Ayatollah Tabasi's son, Naser, who was put in charge of the Sarakhs Free Trade Zone, on the border with the former Soviet republic of Turkmenistan. In the 1990s the foundation poured hundreds of millions of dollars into this project, funding a rail link between Iran and Turkmenistan, new highways, an international airport, a hotel and office buildings.

Then it all went wrong. In July 2001 Naser Tabasi was dismissed as director of the Free Trade Zone. Two months later he was arrested and charged with fraud in connection with a Dubai-based company called Al-Makasib. The details remain murky, but four months ago the General Court of Tehran acquitted him.

Iran's most distinguished senior clerics are disgusted by the mullahcrats. Ayatollah Taheri, Friday prayer leader of the city of Isfahan, resigned in protest earlier this year. "When I hear that some of the privileged progeny and special people, some of whom even don cloaks and turbans, are competing amongst themselves to amass the most wealth," he said, "I am drenched with the sweat of shame."

Meanwhile the clerical elite has mismanaged the nation into senseless poverty. With 9% of the world's oil and 15% of its natural gas, Iran should be a very rich country. It has a young, educated population and a long tradition of international commerce. But per capita income today is 7% below what it was before the revolution. Iranian economists estimate capital flight (to Dubai and other safe havens) at up to $3 billion a year.
No wonder so many students turn to the streets in protest. The dictatorship has been robbing them of their future.


That isn't what his reply suggests. The mojtaheds' offices to whom the khoms goes are not state agencies but independent from the Iranian government.

And as stated by user Hack-Hook, there are non-Iranian mojtaheds as well, and Shia Muslims are free to choose their marja' out of 61 different ones at this time. Here is a list:

There are two Pakistanis among them, one residing in Pakistan the other in Iraq, surely they will have numerous Shia Pakistanis among their followers. And so will important maraje' such as grand-ayatollah Sistani in Iraq, and others outside of Iran.
Your state exercise influence on these mujtahids through the Alma mater in Qum.

Well only a shia can answer on what basis they choose a particular marja and why they send Khums to Iran instead of distributing within Pakistan.
 
No Iran proxy in Pakistan. Otherwise, Hazara massacre in Quetta or shia target killing won't happen and me and lots of my friends who lost loved ones never got justice, and the killer walking free with pride and promised to kill more. Remember Pakistan has 30 percent shia population.
Shia pop is about 10% in Pakistan.
 
Shia pop is about 10% in Pakistan.
Islam is the state religion of Pakistan, and about 95-98% of Pakistanis are Muslim.[49] Pakistan has the second largest number of Muslims in the world after Indonesia.[50] The majority are Sunni (estimated at 85-90%),[14][15] with an estimated 10-15% Shia.[14][15][16][51] A PEW survey in 2012 found that 6% of Pakistani Muslims were Shia

No Iran proxy in Pakistan. Otherwise, Hazara massacre in Quetta or shia target killing won't happen and me and lots of my friends who lost loved ones never got justice, and the killer walking free with pride and promised to kill more. Remember Pakistan has 30 percent shia population.
Barelvis form the majority within the Sunni sect, while the Deobandis form 15-25%. However, the Barelvis have been targeted and killed by Deobandi groups in Pakistan such as the TTP, SSP, and Lashkar-e-Taiba.[47] Suicide attacks, vandalism and destruction of sites considered holy to those in the Barelvi movement have been perpetrated by Deobandi extremist groups. This includes attacks, destruction and vandalism of Data Darbar in Lahore, Abdullah Shah Ghazi's tomb in Karachi, Khal Magasi in Balochistan, and Rahman Baba's tomb in Peshawar.[47] The murder of various Barelvi leaders have also been committed by Deobandi terrorists.[47]

Barelvi clerics claim that there is a bias against them in various Pakistani establishments such as the DHA, who tend to appoint Deobandi Imams for mosques in their housing complexes rather that Barelvi ones. Historical landmarks such as Badshahi Masjid also have Deobandi Imams, which is a fact that has been used as evidence by Barelvi clerics for bias against Barelvis in Pakistan.[48][49] The Milade Mustafa Welfare Society has asserted that the Religious Affairs Department of DHA interferes with Human Resources to ensure that Deobandi Imams are selected for mosques in their housing complex.[49]

In April 2006, the entire leadership of two prominent Barelvi outfits, the Sunni Tehreek and Jamaat Ahle Sunnat were killed in a bomb attack in the Nishtar Park bombing, in Pakistan's largest city and business hub Karachi.[50][51] On 12 June 2009, Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi, a prominent cleric of the Barelvi sect and outspoken critic of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan was killed in a suicide bombing.[52] Between 2005 and 2010, hundreds of Barelvi sect members have been killed in more than 70 suicide attacks at different religious shrines.[53]


We don't start sucking up to outsiders when we have issues with our family- we keep it in the family and solve it

And not hurt the family by inviting outsiders, there's a salafist/deobandi problem in our family and it's a very nasty one indeed
it's not going to fix itself by inviting foreign powers to ruin our nation

Infact will Only aggravate the situation further
@cocomo
 
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Islam is the state religion of Pakistan, and about 95-98% of Pakistanis are Muslim.[49] Pakistan has the second largest number of Muslims in the world after Indonesia.[50] The majority are Sunni (estimated at 85-90%),[14][15] with an estimated 10-15% Shia.[14][15][16][51] A PEW survey in 2012 found that 6% of Pakistani Muslims were Shia


Barelvis form the majority within the Sunni sect, while the Deobandis form 15-25%. However, the Barelvis have been targeted and killed by Deobandi groups in Pakistan such as the TTP, SSP, and Lashkar-e-Taiba.[47] Suicide attacks, vandalism and destruction of sites considered holy to those in the Barelvi movement have been perpetrated by Deobandi extremist groups. This includes attacks, destruction and vandalism of Data Darbar in Lahore, Abdullah Shah Ghazi's tomb in Karachi, Khal Magasi in Balochistan, and Rahman Baba's tomb in Peshawar.[47] The murder of various Barelvi leaders have also been committed by Deobandi terrorists.[47]

Barelvi clerics claim that there is a bias against them in various Pakistani establishments such as the DHA, who tend to appoint Deobandi Imams for mosques in their housing complexes rather that Barelvi ones. Historical landmarks such as Badshahi Masjid also have Deobandi Imams, which is a fact that has been used as evidence by Barelvi clerics for bias against Barelvis in Pakistan.[48][49] The Milade Mustafa Welfare Society has asserted that the Religious Affairs Department of DHA interferes with Human Resources to ensure that Deobandi Imams are selected for mosques in their housing complex.[49]

In April 2006, the entire leadership of two prominent Barelvi outfits, the Sunni Tehreek and Jamaat Ahle Sunnat were killed in a bomb attack in the Nishtar Park bombing, in Pakistan's largest city and business hub Karachi.[50][51] On 12 June 2009, Sarfraz Ahmed Naeemi, a prominent cleric of the Barelvi sect and outspoken critic of the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan was killed in a suicide bombing.[52] Between 2005 and 2010, hundreds of Barelvi sect members have been killed in more than 70 suicide attacks at different religious shrines.[53]


We don't start sucking up to outsiders when we have issues with our family- we keep it in the family and solve it

And not hurt the family by inviting outsiders, there's a salafist/deobandi problem in our family and it's a very nasty one indeed
it's not going to fix itself by inviting foreign powers to ruin our nation

Infact will Only aggravate the situation further
@cocomo
I don't know much but Hanfi is the majority and now they are waking up and taking back their mosque.
 
he is not a grand Ayatollah , and I wonder why the khoms went to him and I'm very much interested to knew which grand ayatollah he represent .
I don't know either but your ayat ullahs are making fool of ordinary people in name of ehle byat.

crackdown on Shia in Bahrain by the minority ruling party , no evidence ever provided that he was engaged in any money laundering , they just wanted to steal the khoms money and there is a judgement day and they must answer on that day if they spend one dinar of that money for something that the respected Grand Ayatollah didn't allowed .
I don't know what type of proof you need and why a rich government destabilize itself by arresting someone only for few hundred thousand dollars who have large influence?

Again what I said in beginning of this thread and why we are arguing,
Your state use sect to destabilize other countries and further her agenda.

well for shia khoms won't go to the government if you guys want spend it through governmental routes you must reach an agreement with the Marja, and again when it come to khoms its youe income , didn't knew your Shia population recieve their income by Dollar and your Government distributed the Dollar it receive from IMF between them . if you want to knew where those money went go check your officials bank account . if you don't believe me go and check how much put aside for CPEC and how much actually spent there
Ideally what we want is marja should be Pakistani and money should remain within Pakistan. What I said earlier or tried to earlier in thread was Shim-e-imam go to Iran in dollar form and Shim-e-saddat remain in Pakistan and distributed in local syeds.

Khums is collected in rupees but then converted to dollars from local exchange companies. Amount remain below a certain threshold to avoid triggering of notifications and these dollars then sent to Iran which is later used pay expenses of proxies.

ask yourself why every country have a grand ayatollah but it seems there is no one in pakistan
we have one but for some reason my countrymen prefer ayatullahs of your country.

and again i iterate in havalah no actual money is transfered outside Pakistan , when they do Havallah , a guy gave money to mr. X to be sent somewhere that mr. X knew somebody called mr. Z in destination and call him and ask him to gave the amount of money to the recipent and say you do so and I owe you that money and Mr. Z do so.
later somebody tell Mr. Z i need some money paid in Pakistan then mr. Z call mr. X and say hi do you recall you owe me some money now please I need some money paid there to some body and Mr. X will do that .

its how people of middle east traded for millennia's and this transaction system dated back to Sumerian , now if your government is cracking on it , it means they want people to use American controlled Swift instead of it and honestly by what I saw how USA and west care about people of middle east I say its nothing but treason
I know how hundi and hawala works. What you are saying is ideal situation and what I am saying is money dos go to Iran through smuggling.
Ask any Pakistani shia in this forum that they should swear in name of Ali r.a and Hussain r.a that they will not lie or do taqiya and their khums money don't go to Iran.
And you will find your answer.

the recruitment happen exactly how its done in every place , we do it inside Iran , not in Pakistan
Thank you for your honesty. Respect.

1 more question, how you will feel if saudi government try to recruit your citizen when they go for umra or hajj?
 
I don't know much but Hanfi is the majority and now they are waking up and taking over their mosque back.
Only good for the country... But establishment and powers to be are opposed to barelvis taking back Thier right place

I have hopes from IK and he is a sympathizer but establishment uses crazies for "national security" reasons

In turn they go around killing everyone else like a bad habit

Only way to end this BS is by working together, we are already a vast majority
Majority only get persecuted when they're lazy
So stop being lazy and protest, work together, get active in state level

What you don't do is - walk into foreign hands

I realize the issues that majority of us are facing, part of my family also suffered

but Iran is not the answer
We collectively are the answer to end this bs
 
Look at the typing of this smart a** internet Agent. Asool and Faroh. Exactly resembles a non Arabic pronounciation. Like a time when a Jew wants to read Arabic.
The region of Pakistan from where I am we have 2-3 words for same thing and then 2-4 pronunciation for each word. When 2 people talk each one use word of his choice and other will use another word for same phenomena.

There are people who mess up gender. This happens because although they are speaking or writing urdu but pronunciation and gender is coming from mother tongue.

In day to day language we don't put ehrab, so if there is paish on alif and I write usool then you will say why I did not used O instead of U?

Btw, what this Agent calls Iranian proxy war, is exactly a proxy war imposed on Iran which didn't Start from Syria but started with Saddam led assault on Iran with western backing.

In this unfair war of thousands against 1, Iran managed to appear as the survivor of this proxy war in the region thanks to Iranian/ Lebanese/ Pakistani/ Afghani etc warriors.

It is a victory for Iran to defeat western supported terrorists in Syraq and beyond. It is a victory for whole regional countries when USA pathetically left Afghanistan and Afghanistan fell into hands of USA's sworn enemies.

This proxy war that is imposed on Muslim nations which started with creation of Zionist Cancer in the region, will inshallah, end with destruction of Israeli occupiers. Success of Yemeni people and overthrowing of the western puppets in Islamic countries.

No one is denying that we are at war, and that a various kinds of War, soft war, Hybrid war, proxy war etc. Its been 40 years, give or take a few

I created this thread in order to appreciate proxy warfare power of your state. How they are managing of manpower and expenses. Specially recruitment methods and then convincing them to fight for your interests. Exceptional.

Just take the example of Iraq, they fought with you guys for 8 years, Hazrat Ali r.a is burried in Iraq. Karbala is in Iraq but still shias of that country is loyal to you and take orders from your government.

Just wow
 
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Only good for the country... But establishment and powers to be are opposed to barelvis taking back Thier right place

I have hopes from IK and he is a sympathizer but establishment uses crazies for "national security" reasons

In turn they go around killing everyone else like a bad habit

Only way to end this BS is by working together, we are already a vast majority
Majority only get persecuted when they're lazy
So stop being lazy and protest, work together, get active in state level

What you don't do is - walk into foreign hands

I realize the issues that majority of us are facing, part of my family also suffered

but Iran is not the answer
We collectively are the answer to end this bs
Pakistan baseline and bonding factor is Sufism ..But last many decades they have been bombed in the name of shirk etc etc ... but people don't understand the logic behind this so called shirk..
 
Stop misguiding people. Do you know what you are doing?
When people read articles they should know about
writer and his/her political and religious affiliations
and who is chief editor and owner and their affiliations.

I mean nobody is get paid to right truths and their opinions.

After that reader will going to have better understanding when author is
Asma Shirazi
farahnaz Isphahani
Nida Kirmani
Naseem Zahra
Pervaiz Hoodbhoy

etc
 
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Pakistan k sab politicians bralevi type nhi hain? Imran khan zardari nawaz all of them visit darbars
Politicians are good
It's ISI (not that they support secterianism but it becomes a side effect) and NS
NS did a lot of damage behind the scenes
 
Iran destroyed Pakistans religious harmony. Killed thousands of ulama. Attacked Pakistans economic interests. Hijacked political parties like MQM(yes, people don't talk about it) and PPP. Helped Israel to keep Israel's proxy wars on Syria alive till Israel changed water flow from Iraq to sea of Galilee. Iran supported terror in Iraq against sunnis, also terror in Middle East.
Each second we were hearing that Iran will be attacked, but never got attacked. But in the process Iran destroyed many countries from within.
 
Iran destroyed Pakistans religious harmony. Killed thousands of ulama. Attacked Pakistans economic interests. Hijacked political parties like MQM(yes, people don't talk about it) and PPP. Helped Israel to keep Israel's proxy wars on Syria alive till Israel changed water flow from Iraq to sea of Galilee. Iran supported terror in Iraq against sunnis, also terror in Middle East.
Each second we were hearing that Iran will be attacked, but never got attacked. But in the process Iran destroyed many countries from within.
Here, we have yet an other Einstein in PDF. Please continue with your bullshit.
 

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