Iran power of proxy warfare

[Big Tank]

What a nonsense Wannabe OSINT agent thread.

 

[The SC]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-...-to-threaten-the-region-and-the-world.734818/

 

[*Awan*]

First that's not the core belief of every shia
They are
1-Tohid : which means there is only one God
2-عدل(justice) : which mean any thing that God do is just and no injustice originate from God
3-Nobovat : which means believing in our holy prophet and all the prophets that came before him
4-Moad( judgement day) : believing in a day that all deeds and actions are examined and you must answer for what ever you did in your life .
5-Imamat : believing in all 12 imam and that they are successor of holy prophet and caliphs after him


And no khoms of all shia won't come to Iran so don't spread the nonsense .


Oh so you liked them to go and made war with India and gave reason to India to start a full scale war with Pakistan.

What you highlighted are Asool and what I posted were Faroh. But still they are important pillars of your belief

Khums

Regarding Khums money not coming to Iran, well

The Distribution of Khums​

A. The Two Shares Of Khums​

According to the verse of khums, this Islamic tax is for:
(1) Allah,
(2) the Messenger of Allah,
(3) the near relative of the Messenger,
(4) the orphans,
(5) needy,
(6) stranded traveler.

The first two shares are clear: they belong to Allah and Prophet Muhammad respectively. The third share, that of "the near relative" belongs to the infallible Imam of the time. The latter three shares belong to those of the Hashimite family who are orphan, needy and stranded traveler.

Obviously, Allah does not come in person to take His share of khums; therefore the Prophet, as Allah's representative on this earth, used to receive both his own share of khums and that of Allah. What is to be done with the Prophet's share after his death? The Sunni scholars are in great disagreement with each other on this issue. For example, some say that the Prophet's share (which obviously included the share of Allah) goes to the caliph who may use it as he pleases; others say it goes to the Prophet's relatives (the Hashimites); and still others say that it should go to the Muslims in general.1
According to the Shi`ah view, after the Prophet's death, the shares of Allah and the Prophet belong to his rightful successor. And the present rightful successor of the Prophet is Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be peace).
Since the Present Imam, besides owning his own share as "the near relative," is also the rightful owner of Allah's and the Prophet's shares of khums, the first half of khums is commonly known as "sihmu 'l-Imam -- the share of the Imam".

The second half of khums is for the orphan, the needy and the stranded traveler from the Prophet's family, that is, the Hashimi or, in its Latin form, the Hashimite. A Hashimite is the one who, from his father's line, is a descendent of Hashim, the great grandfather of the Prophet.
However, the Hashimites who descend from Fatimah, the daughter of the Prophet, have preference over other Hashimites. Since the descendants of Fatimah are commonly known as "sayyid, pl. sadat," the second half of khums is known as "sihmu 's-sadat -- the share of the sayyids". (In non-Shi`ah parts of the Arab world, the sayyids are commonly known as "sharif, pl. ashraf").
Thus we divide the khums into two equal shares:
1. the share of the Present Imam;
2. the share of the sadat (the sayyids).
The recipients of the sihmu 's-sadat change all the time: an 'orphan' ceases to be legally an orphan as soon as he becomes an adult; a 'needy' ceases to be a needy as soon he becomes financially independent; and an 'stranded traveler' ceases to be an stranded traveler as soon as he reaches home.
But the recipient of the sihmu 'l-Imam, that is Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be peace), will never cease to be the Prophet's 'near relative' and his rightful successor. Therefore, his right is perpetual and will never end.

B. The Sihmu 'L-Imam​

1. Where Should The Sihmu 'l-Imam Go?​

(a) During the Presence of the Imam:​

The first half of khums is the share of the Imam. During the presence of the Imams, the sihmu 'l-Imam as well as the sihmu 's-sadat was given to them directly or to their specially appointed agents. The Imam, as the head of the sadat, was also responsible for distribution of sihmu 's-sadat among the sadat.
The Imams, since Imam Ja`far as-Sadiq's days, had also initiated the system of wikalah (deputyship) whose function, among other things, was to collect the khums and bring it to the Imam or distribute it according to his instructions. For example, a letter of Imam Muhammad at-Taqi (a.s.) about the financial obligations of Shi`ahs, says: "...As for the gains and profits, it is obligatory on them [to pay khums] every year...Therefore, whosoever has anything of those [items on which khums is applicable], then he should bring it to my wakil; and the person who lives far away should try his best to bring it to my wakil even if it takes some time..."2

Did the Imams release the Shi`ahs from the obligation of khums at any time? The Imams never suspended the obligation of khums as an annual financial tax. However, there are individual cases where the Imam had exempted certain persons from the khums because of the tough economic circumstances of the time. But such exemption were for individuals and limited in time.

The fact that khums as an annual tax on the Shi`ahs in general was wajib at all times can be seen from the followings: Once a Shi`ah from Persia wrote to Imam `Ali ar-Riza (a.s.) asking to be exempted from paying khums. The Imam did not approve his request and wrote: "...And the khums is a help to us in [promotion of] our religion, [upliftment of] our family, and our followers...Do not deprive yourselves of our prayers as long as you can because paying [the khums] is the key to sustenance, the forgiveness for your sins...Was-salam."3

Muhammad bin Ja`far al-Asadi wrote to Imam al-Mahdi (a.s.). Imam al-Mahdi (a.s.) answered, "As for what you have asked about the issue of a person using our property without our permission, then he should know that whosoever does so is cursed and [on the day of judgement] we will be his opponent...And whosoever devours anything from our property [without permission], he is actually devouring fire and will surely reach the Hell."4

So khums was always wajib and collected by the Imams directly or through their wakils.

(b) During the Ghaybat of the Imam: (Very important)​

At the present time, our Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be him), is in occultation; and he has not even appointed anyone as his special agent. So what should be done with his share of khums?
All `ulama' of our time are unanimous in saying that during the period of occultation, the share of the Present Imam must be used for the causes with which the Imam would agree. They also believe that the best persons to know such causes are the mujtahids. Therefore, according to all our present `ulama', sihmu 'l-Imam must be handed over to the most learned and trustworthy mujtahid or be used in the way authorized by such a mujtahid. The condition of religious knowledge and trustworthiness are important to guarantee the right use of sihmu 'l-Imam.

It is an individual's responsibility to transfer the sihmu 'l-Imam to the mujtahid. If it is given to the representative of the mujtahid, then the responsibility will shift from the khums-payer to the representative. (For example, if the representative looses the money before it reached the mujtahid, then the khums-payer is no longer responsible for that.)

If a trustworthy person who is not a representative of the mujtahid agrees to take the sihmu 'l-Imam to the mujtahid, then, in case of being lost, the responsibility will not shift from the khums-payer to that person: either the messenger should make up the loss or the khums-payer has to pay again. In the latter case, the khums-payer may request the mujtahid to exempt him for that year.

2. How Is The Sihmu 'l-Imam Used?​

The mujtahid spends the sihmu 'l-Imam in the way which he thinks will be agreeable to the Present Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be peace). The most important causes for which the sihmu 'l-Imam is used presently are the following:

• providing the necessary expenses of the poor and needy Shi`ah Ithna-`Asharis; it may also be used by the mujtahid during natural disasters like earthquake, famine, war, etc;
• propagating the religion of Islam to the believers as well as the non-believers;
• providing the household and academic expenses of the `ulama' (the religious scholars) who dedicate their life and efforts in teaching and preaching the religion of Islam to the people.
• providing the expenditure of religious establishments, religious schools, teachers and students.

I would not be wrong in saying that most of the sihmu 'l-Imam does not even reach to the mujtahids themselves, rather it is used, with their permission, in various parts of the Shi`ah world. Many, if not most, religious and charitable works being done by the Shi`ahs in the West today are from sihmu 'l-Imam. (However, whether it is known or acknowledged by the public and those who use it, is a different story!)

As an example for item No. 4 above, allow me to mention the Hawza `Ilmiyya (religious education center) of Qum, Iran. In early 1980's there were at least fifteen thousand students and teachers in that Hawza. All are financed collectively by the leading mujtahids of our time. Even if we count fifty dollars monthly scholarship for the fifteen thousand students and teachers, the total monthly budget comes to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. The revenue for this budget is khums and various others charities and endowment funds.

3. Sihmu 'l-Imam's Role in The Financial Independence of The Mujtahids​

The sihmu 'l-Imam has also played an important role in the financial independence of our great `ulama'. Unlike the Sunni `ulama' whose appointment to the position of mufti or shaykhul Islam, and their livelihood depends on the ruler of the country, the Shi`ah mujtahids do not have to rely on governments or other organizations for their position or their livelihood. This prevents any unwarranted influence in their fatwas and decision making process. A look at the political fatwas of our mujtahids during the last century will prove this point.

This is not to imply that the integrity of our mujtahids depends on khums; they have to preserve their independence and integrity even without khums. After all, the most important condition in a mujtahid is that he must be `adil, that is, pious and of upright character. If a person who has great knowledge in Islam but is not of upright character or is under the influence of a tyrant and unjust ruler, then he will not be accepted as the religious leader by the people.
Secondly, and more importantly, the amount and flow of khums has not always been the same; it depends on the overall economic well being of the Shi`ah community. When the community is in good economic condition, the khums revenue is generated satisfactorily; but if it is not in good economic condition, the khums flow is meager. Also remember that not all eligible Shi`ahs pay their khums: some out of ignorance and others out of negligence.

C. The Sihmu 's-Sadat​

1. During The Prophet's Time​

The fact that the Prophet used to give the khums to his Hashimite relatives exclusively is beyond any doubt.5 Even the descendants of Hashim's brothers (`Abd ash-Shams and Nawfal) were excluded from the khums.
Jubayr bin Mut`im (a descendent of Nawfal) and `Uthman bin `Affan (a descendent of `Abd ash-Shams) were not given anything from the khums of Khaybar. Both came to the Prophet and complained, "O the Messenger of Allah! You have given [the khums] to Bani al-Muttalib but left us out although we and they are equally related to you." The Prophet said, "The Bani al-Muttalib and Bani Hashim are one and the same."6

2. After The Prophet's Death​

Although the Qur'anic injunction about the relatives of the Prophet is very clear and is also supported by the sunnah of the Prophet, unfortunately, there arose a great difference of opinion among the Muslims after the Prophet's death. Obviously, the people in power did not want the Ahlul Bayt to get access to the khums. This policy of depriving the Ahlul Bayt of their right has continued since with a short break during the reign of `Umar bin `Abdu 'l-`Aziz who decided to give at least some of the khums to the Banu Hashim.7

3. How Is Sihmu 'S-Sadat Distributed?​

In keeping with the Qur'anic injunction and the sunnah of the Prophet, the Shi`ah law says that the second half of khums is the share of the Hashimites, preferably the sayyids who descend from Fatimah (peace be upon her and her father).
The sihmu 's-sadat can be given to the following Shi`ah Ithna-`Ashari sayyids:-

1. those orphans who are poor;
2. those who are poor and needy;
3. an ibnu 's-sabil, that is, a traveler who has no money to continue his journey back to his home, provided his journey is not for any unlawful purpose. Khums can be given to such a sayyid to continue his journey even if he is a wealthy person in his own town.

However, it is not permitted to give khums to a sayyid whom you know will spend any of it in a sinful act. It is also better not to give khums to a sayyid who publicly leads an immoral life like drinking alcohol, etc.

Source


Another opinion

Question: Is it permissible to use the Sihm-e Imam (a.s.) in charitable projects while there are tens of thousands of believers who are in need of bread, cloths, etc.?
Answer: In using the Sahm-e Imam (a.s.), it is important to consider the principle of priorities. It is a matter of obligatory precaution, the determination of “most important vis-à-vis the more important” should be left to the discretion of the most learned jurist who is well informed about the general situation.

Question: Is it permissible to use the Sahm-e Imãm (a.s.) without seeking the permission of the marja‘ if a person can ascertain the need of any kind for its use with which the Imam (a.s.) would be pleased?
Answer: It is not permissible; and one cannot attain the approval of the Imam (a.s.) by using his portion of the Khums without seeking the permission of the most learned Marja‘ —in that it is possible that the Marja’s permission is part of the approval of the Imam (a.s.).

Source

Now because Imam Mehdi is in occultation and Khamenai is his representative so Sihmu l imam will go to him, thats 50 % of Khums right there. Now its his discretion where he spends it.
Rest of 50 % go to so called syeds who die for your interests.

In Pakistan there is only 1 Marja, Rest of them are either in Iran or Iraq, so Ajmi shias send Khums to you and Arbi shias send Khums to Iraq.

Now the people who get arrested from Karachi were wakeels and there will be many more to avoid notification triggering. Pakistan is getting loans from IMF and these shits transferring dollars to you people.

No Iran proxy in Pakistan. Otherwise, Hazara massacre in Quetta or shia target killing won't happen and me and lots of my friends who lost loved ones never got justice, and the killer walking free with pride and promised to kill more. Remember Pakistan has 30 percent shia population.

Shia population in Pakistan is anywhere between 10-20 %. 30% mean 1 in 3 Pakistanis are shias and thats impossible.
Source-1
Source-2
Source-3

Hazaras in Pakistan get killed not because they are shia but because there is enmity between them and Pathans since time of Amir Abdul Rehman.
Hazara uprising

 

[Hack-Hook]

What you highlighted are Asool and what I posted were Faroh. But still they are important pillars of your belief
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Khums

Regarding Khums money not coming to Iran, well

The Distribution of Khums​

A. The Two Shares Of Khums​

According to the verse of khums, this Islamic tax is for:
(1) Allah,
(2) the Messenger of Allah,
(3) the near relative of the Messenger,
(4) the orphans,
(5) needy,
(6) stranded traveler.

The first two shares are clear: they belong to Allah and Prophet Muhammad respectively. The third share, that of "the near relative" belongs to the infallible Imam of the time. The latter three shares belong to those of the Hashimite family who are orphan, needy and stranded traveler.

Obviously, Allah does not come in person to take His share of khums; therefore the Prophet, as Allah's representative on this earth, used to receive both his own share of khums and that of Allah. What is to be done with the Prophet's share after his death? The Sunni scholars are in great disagreement with each other on this issue. For example, some say that the Prophet's share (which obviously included the share of Allah) goes to the caliph who may use it as he pleases; others say it goes to the Prophet's relatives (the Hashimites); and still others say that it should go to the Muslims in general.1
According to the Shi`ah view, after the Prophet's death, the shares of Allah and the Prophet belong to his rightful successor. And the present rightful successor of the Prophet is Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be peace).
Since the Present Imam, besides owning his own share as "the near relative," is also the rightful owner of Allah's and the Prophet's shares of khums, the first half of khums is commonly known as "sihmu 'l-Imam -- the share of the Imam".

The second half of khums is for the orphan, the needy and the stranded traveler from the Prophet's family, that is, the Hashimi or, in its Latin form, the Hashimite. A Hashimite is the one who, from his father's line, is a descendent of Hashim, the great grandfather of the Prophet.
However, the Hashimites who descend from Fatimah, the daughter of the Prophet, have preference over other Hashimites. Since the descendants of Fatimah are commonly known as "sayyid, pl. sadat," the second half of khums is known as "sihmu 's-sadat -- the share of the sayyids". (In non-Shi`ah parts of the Arab world, the sayyids are commonly known as "sharif, pl. ashraf").
Thus we divide the khums into two equal shares:
1. the share of the Present Imam;
2. the share of the sadat (the sayyids).
The recipients of the sihmu 's-sadat change all the time: an 'orphan' ceases to be legally an orphan as soon as he becomes an adult; a 'needy' ceases to be a needy as soon he becomes financially independent; and an 'stranded traveler' ceases to be an stranded traveler as soon as he reaches home.
But the recipient of the sihmu 'l-Imam, that is Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be peace), will never cease to be the Prophet's 'near relative' and his rightful successor. Therefore, his right is perpetual and will never end.

B. The Sihmu 'L-Imam​

1. Where Should The Sihmu 'l-Imam Go?​

(a) During the Presence of the Imam:​

The first half of khums is the share of the Imam. During the presence of the Imams, the sihmu 'l-Imam as well as the sihmu 's-sadat was given to them directly or to their specially appointed agents. The Imam, as the head of the sadat, was also responsible for distribution of sihmu 's-sadat among the sadat.
The Imams, since Imam Ja`far as-Sadiq's days, had also initiated the system of wikalah (deputyship) whose function, among other things, was to collect the khums and bring it to the Imam or distribute it according to his instructions. For example, a letter of Imam Muhammad at-Taqi (a.s.) about the financial obligations of Shi`ahs, says: "...As for the gains and profits, it is obligatory on them [to pay khums] every year...Therefore, whosoever has anything of those [items on which khums is applicable], then he should bring it to my wakil; and the person who lives far away should try his best to bring it to my wakil even if it takes some time..."2

Did the Imams release the Shi`ahs from the obligation of khums at any time? The Imams never suspended the obligation of khums as an annual financial tax. However, there are individual cases where the Imam had exempted certain persons from the khums because of the tough economic circumstances of the time. But such exemption were for individuals and limited in time.

The fact that khums as an annual tax on the Shi`ahs in general was wajib at all times can be seen from the followings: Once a Shi`ah from Persia wrote to Imam `Ali ar-Riza (a.s.) asking to be exempted from paying khums. The Imam did not approve his request and wrote: "...And the khums is a help to us in [promotion of] our religion, [upliftment of] our family, and our followers...Do not deprive yourselves of our prayers as long as you can because paying [the khums] is the key to sustenance, the forgiveness for your sins...Was-salam."3

Muhammad bin Ja`far al-Asadi wrote to Imam al-Mahdi (a.s.). Imam al-Mahdi (a.s.) answered, "As for what you have asked about the issue of a person using our property without our permission, then he should know that whosoever does so is cursed and [on the day of judgement] we will be his opponent...And whosoever devours anything from our property [without permission], he is actually devouring fire and will surely reach the Hell."4

So khums was always wajib and collected by the Imams directly or through their wakils.

(b) During the Ghaybat of the Imam: (Very important)​

At the present time, our Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be him), is in occultation; and he has not even appointed anyone as his special agent. So what should be done with his share of khums?
All `ulama' of our time are unanimous in saying that during the period of occultation, the share of the Present Imam must be used for the causes with which the Imam would agree. They also believe that the best persons to know such causes are the mujtahids. Therefore, according to all our present `ulama', sihmu 'l-Imam must be handed over to the most learned and trustworthy mujtahid or be used in the way authorized by such a mujtahid. The condition of religious knowledge and trustworthiness are important to guarantee the right use of sihmu 'l-Imam.

It is an individual's responsibility to transfer the sihmu 'l-Imam to the mujtahid. If it is given to the representative of the mujtahid, then the responsibility will shift from the khums-payer to the representative. (For example, if the representative looses the money before it reached the mujtahid, then the khums-payer is no longer responsible for that.)

If a trustworthy person who is not a representative of the mujtahid agrees to take the sihmu 'l-Imam to the mujtahid, then, in case of being lost, the responsibility will not shift from the khums-payer to that person: either the messenger should make up the loss or the khums-payer has to pay again. In the latter case, the khums-payer may request the mujtahid to exempt him for that year.

2. How Is The Sihmu 'l-Imam Used?​

The mujtahid spends the sihmu 'l-Imam in the way which he thinks will be agreeable to the Present Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi (upon whom be peace). The most important causes for which the sihmu 'l-Imam is used presently are the following:

• providing the necessary expenses of the poor and needy Shi`ah Ithna-`Asharis; it may also be used by the mujtahid during natural disasters like earthquake, famine, war, etc;
• propagating the religion of Islam to the believers as well as the non-believers;
• providing the household and academic expenses of the `ulama' (the religious scholars) who dedicate their life and efforts in teaching and preaching the religion of Islam to the people.
• providing the expenditure of religious establishments, religious schools, teachers and students.

I would not be wrong in saying that most of the sihmu 'l-Imam does not even reach to the mujtahids themselves, rather it is used, with their permission, in various parts of the Shi`ah world. Many, if not most, religious and charitable works being done by the Shi`ahs in the West today are from sihmu 'l-Imam. (However, whether it is known or acknowledged by the public and those who use it, is a different story!)

As an example for item No. 4 above, allow me to mention the Hawza `Ilmiyya (religious education center) of Qum, Iran. In early 1980's there were at least fifteen thousand students and teachers in that Hawza. All are financed collectively by the leading mujtahids of our time. Even if we count fifty dollars monthly scholarship for the fifteen thousand students and teachers, the total monthly budget comes to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. The revenue for this budget is khums and various others charities and endowment funds.

3. Sihmu 'l-Imam's Role in The Financial Independence of The Mujtahids​

The sihmu 'l-Imam has also played an important role in the financial independence of our great `ulama'. Unlike the Sunni `ulama' whose appointment to the position of mufti or shaykhul Islam, and their livelihood depends on the ruler of the country, the Shi`ah mujtahids do not have to rely on governments or other organizations for their position or their livelihood. This prevents any unwarranted influence in their fatwas and decision making process. A look at the political fatwas of our mujtahids during the last century will prove this point.

This is not to imply that the integrity of our mujtahids depends on khums; they have to preserve their independence and integrity even without khums. After all, the most important condition in a mujtahid is that he must be `adil, that is, pious and of upright character. If a person who has great knowledge in Islam but is not of upright character or is under the influence of a tyrant and unjust ruler, then he will not be accepted as the religious leader by the people.
Secondly, and more importantly, the amount and flow of khums has not always been the same; it depends on the overall economic well being of the Shi`ah community. When the community is in good economic condition, the khums revenue is generated satisfactorily; but if it is not in good economic condition, the khums flow is meager. Also remember that not all eligible Shi`ahs pay their khums: some out of ignorance and others out of negligence.

C. The Sihmu 's-Sadat​

1. During The Prophet's Time​

The fact that the Prophet used to give the khums to his Hashimite relatives exclusively is beyond any doubt.5 Even the descendants of Hashim's brothers (`Abd ash-Shams and Nawfal) were excluded from the khums.
Jubayr bin Mut`im (a descendent of Nawfal) and `Uthman bin `Affan (a descendent of `Abd ash-Shams) were not given anything from the khums of Khaybar. Both came to the Prophet and complained, "O the Messenger of Allah! You have given [the khums] to Bani al-Muttalib but left us out although we and they are equally related to you." The Prophet said, "The Bani al-Muttalib and Bani Hashim are one and the same."6

2. After The Prophet's Death​

Although the Qur'anic injunction about the relatives of the Prophet is very clear and is also supported by the sunnah of the Prophet, unfortunately, there arose a great difference of opinion among the Muslims after the Prophet's death. Obviously, the people in power did not want the Ahlul Bayt to get access to the khums. This policy of depriving the Ahlul Bayt of their right has continued since with a short break during the reign of `Umar bin `Abdu 'l-`Aziz who decided to give at least some of the khums to the Banu Hashim.7

3. How Is Sihmu 'S-Sadat Distributed?​

In keeping with the Qur'anic injunction and the sunnah of the Prophet, the Shi`ah law says that the second half of khums is the share of the Hashimites, preferably the sayyids who descend from Fatimah (peace be upon her and her father).
The sihmu 's-sadat can be given to the following Shi`ah Ithna-`Ashari sayyids:-

1. those orphans who are poor;
2. those who are poor and needy;
3. an ibnu 's-sabil, that is, a traveler who has no money to continue his journey back to his home, provided his journey is not for any unlawful purpose. Khums can be given to such a sayyid to continue his journey even if he is a wealthy person in his own town.

However, it is not permitted to give khums to a sayyid whom you know will spend any of it in a sinful act. It is also better not to give khums to a sayyid who publicly leads an immoral life like drinking alcohol, etc.

Source


Another opinion

Question: Is it permissible to use the Sihm-e Imam (a.s.) in charitable projects while there are tens of thousands of believers who are in need of bread, cloths, etc.?
Answer: In using the Sahm-e Imam (a.s.), it is important to consider the principle of priorities. It is a matter of obligatory precaution, the determination of “most important vis-à-vis the more important” should be left to the discretion of the most learned jurist who is well informed about the general situation.

Question: Is it permissible to use the Sahm-e Imãm (a.s.) without seeking the permission of the marja‘ if a person can ascertain the need of any kind for its use with which the Imam (a.s.) would be pleased?
Answer: It is not permissible; and one cannot attain the approval of the Imam (a.s.) by using his portion of the Khums without seeking the permission of the most learned Marja‘ —in that it is possible that the Marja’s permission is part of the approval of the Imam (a.s.).

Source

Now because Imam Mehdi is in occultation and Khamenai is his representative so Sihmu l imam will go to him, thats 50 % of Khums right there. Now its his discretion where he spends it.
Rest of 50 % go to so called syeds who die for your interests.

In Pakistan there is only 1 Marja, Rest of them are either in Iran or Iraq, so Ajmi shias send Khums to you and Arbi shias send Khums to Iraq.

Now the people who get arrested from Karachi were wakeels and there will be many more to avoid notification triggering. Pakistan is getting loans from IMF and these shits transferring dollars to you people.



Shia population in Pakistan is anywhere between 10-20 %. 30% mean 1 in 3 Pakistanis are shias and thats impossible.
Source-1
Source-2
Source-3

Hazaras in Pakistan get killed not because they are shia but because there is enmity between them and Pathans since time of Amir Abdul Rehman.
Hazara uprising

As I said it will go to mujtahid . We have grand ayatolah in Iran , Iraq , Lebanon , Bahrain , KSA even if I'm not wrong in Syria.
Second they are not obliged to pay their money to your government , they obliged to pay their tax .after that the government have no right to tell people how to use the money .


And the nature of havale is so that no money leave your country so then what's the fuss .
To me it seems your government is an slave to Western banking system and want to make every people use swift instead our old transaction system which is approved by our religion and served us well for millennials .

 

[Goritoes]

Good thread, but unfortunately will get close due to ahm ahm... cough cough

 

[*Awan*]

As I said it will go to mujtahid . We have grand ayatolah in Iran , Iraq , Lebanon , Bahrain , KSA even if I'm not wrong in Syria.

I am also saying the same thing. Pakistani shia's send their Khums to mujtahid in Iran.

Second they are not obliged to pay their money to your government , they obliged to pay their tax .after that the government have no right to tell people how to use the money .

We have ministry of religion to take care of these things. These things should be in knowledge of Pak government that dollars that they get from IMF, how many of them go to Iran. Also as government try to stop suicide bombings they should also try to stop economic bombs.

Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence​

DUBAI (Reuters) - A court in Bahrain on Sunday convicted the spiritual leader of the country’s Shi’ite Muslims of collecting funds illegally and money laundering and sentenced him to one year in jail suspended for three years, local media reported.

The court also ordered Ayatollah Isa Qassim, who is in his mid-70s, to pay 100,000 Bahraini dinars ($265,266) in fines over the charges, which emanate from the collection of an Islamic tax called Khums, which in Shi’ite Islam is collected and spent by a senior cleric in the interests of the needy.

The case had ratcheted up tensions in the Western-allied Gulf Arab state where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is based.

The kingdom has been convulsed by occasional unrest since authorities crushed 2011 protests mainly by Shi’ites demanding a bigger share in running the country.

The Arabic-language al-Wasat said the court also ordered the confiscation of 3.367 million dinars found in a bank account in the cleric’s name.

State news agency BNA, in a report that only referred to Qassim as a cleric, quoted the public prosecutor as saying the funds would be used for charity and humanitarian work once the ruling was deemed final.

“The public prosecutor asserted that the prosecution was currently studying the sentence to determine the possibility of an appeal,” BNA said.

The trial is part of a wider crackdown on dissent that included a ban last year on the main Shi’ite Muslim group Wefaq. Authorities accuse the group of fomenting sectarian unrest and having links to a foreign power, an apparent reference to arch-foe Iran. Tehran denies any interference in Bahrain.

Iran condemned the verdict and called on the Bahraini government to show respect for Qassim’s high religious ranking, the state news agency IRNA reported.

“The Bahraini government is expected to seriously consider his (Qassim’s) influence and moral authority, respect the will of the people, and cease pressures on Bahraini Muslim scholars,” IRNA quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi as saying.

Bahrain’s justice ministry took steps last week to dissolve the secular National Democratic Action Society (Waad) it accuses of supporting terrorism.

Qassim also faces expulsion from the kingdom after authorities revoked his citizenship last year for alleged foreign links and fomenting violence, charges he had denied.

His defense lawyers had refused to attend the hearings, which they saw as an attack on the country’s Shi’ites.
Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence

Senior US Shiite cleric accused of embezzlement​

A group of Muslim youths accused the United States most senior Shiite cleric Hassan Qazwini of the embezzlement of Arab donations and called for the immediate return of the stolen money.

Shiite Muslims gathered at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan where they attended the memorial of the late Lebanese cleric Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah.

On their way out, they found a statement signed by a group that calls itself the Muslim Youth Congregation posted on the windshields of their cars, accusing prominent Iraqi-born cleric Hassan Qazwini, director of the Shiite dominated center, of embezzlement.

According to the statement, Qazwini collected donations from the Arab community in the United States and transferred them to his father's company in California.

The statement called upon Qazwini to immediately return the money, estimated at $350,000, to the center and laid the blame on the center's Board of Trustees for the negligence that allowed Qazwini to get away with stealing the money.
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Source

And the nature of havale is so that no money leave your country so then what's the fuss .

To me it seems your government is an slave to Western banking system and want to make every people use swift instead our old transaction system which is approved by our religion and served us well for millennials .

So you admit that your state is conspiring against the economic interests of Pakistan?

You guys recruit zainabiyoun, how the recruitment works? You guys recruit these guys during their visit to zyarat e qaboor or Imam bargah/Hussania act as node of your intelligence?

 

[Maula Jatt]

I am also saying the same thing. Pakistani shia's send their Khums to mujtahid in Iran.



We have ministry of religion to take care of these things. These things should be in knowledge of Pak government that dollars that they get from IMF, how many of them go to Iran. Also as government try to stop suicide bombings they should also try to stop economic bombs.

Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence​

DUBAI (Reuters) - A court in Bahrain on Sunday convicted the spiritual leader of the country’s Shi’ite Muslims of collecting funds illegally and money laundering and sentenced him to one year in jail suspended for three years, local media reported.

The court also ordered Ayatollah Isa Qassim, who is in his mid-70s, to pay 100,000 Bahraini dinars ($265,266) in fines over the charges, which emanate from the collection of an Islamic tax called Khums, which in Shi’ite Islam is collected and spent by a senior cleric in the interests of the needy.

The case had ratcheted up tensions in the Western-allied Gulf Arab state where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is based.

The kingdom has been convulsed by occasional unrest since authorities crushed 2011 protests mainly by Shi’ites demanding a bigger share in running the country.

The Arabic-language al-Wasat said the court also ordered the confiscation of 3.367 million dinars found in a bank account in the cleric’s name.

State news agency BNA, in a report that only referred to Qassim as a cleric, quoted the public prosecutor as saying the funds would be used for charity and humanitarian work once the ruling was deemed final.

“The public prosecutor asserted that the prosecution was currently studying the sentence to determine the possibility of an appeal,” BNA said.

The trial is part of a wider crackdown on dissent that included a ban last year on the main Shi’ite Muslim group Wefaq. Authorities accuse the group of fomenting sectarian unrest and having links to a foreign power, an apparent reference to arch-foe Iran. Tehran denies any interference in Bahrain.

Iran condemned the verdict and called on the Bahraini government to show respect for Qassim’s high religious ranking, the state news agency IRNA reported.

“The Bahraini government is expected to seriously consider his (Qassim’s) influence and moral authority, respect the will of the people, and cease pressures on Bahraini Muslim scholars,” IRNA quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi as saying.

Bahrain’s justice ministry took steps last week to dissolve the secular National Democratic Action Society (Waad) it accuses of supporting terrorism.

Qassim also faces expulsion from the kingdom after authorities revoked his citizenship last year for alleged foreign links and fomenting violence, charges he had denied.

His defense lawyers had refused to attend the hearings, which they saw as an attack on the country’s Shi’ites.
Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence

Senior US Shiite cleric accused of embezzlement​

A group of Muslim youths accused the United States most senior Shiite cleric Hassan Qazwini of the embezzlement of Arab donations and called for the immediate return of the stolen money.

Shiite Muslims gathered at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan where they attended the memorial of the late Lebanese cleric Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah.

On their way out, they found a statement signed by a group that calls itself the Muslim Youth Congregation posted on the windshields of their cars, accusing prominent Iraqi-born cleric Hassan Qazwini, director of the Shiite dominated center, of embezzlement.

According to the statement, Qazwini collected donations from the Arab community in the United States and transferred them to his father's company in California.

The statement called upon Qazwini to immediately return the money, estimated at $350,000, to the center and laid the blame on the center's Board of Trustees for the negligence that allowed Qazwini to get away with stealing the money.
............
Source



So you admit that your state is conspiring against the economic interests of Pakistan?

You guys recruit zainabiyoun, how the recruitment works? You guys recruit these guys during their visit to zyarat e qaboor or Imam bargah/Hussania act as node of your intelligence?

I am telling you man, we should keep talking about it till GOP wakes up and kill the traitors
There's no other way but to keep talking about it
On SM, PDF etc

Some years ago we didn't even talk about it, atleast now there's a conversation

 

[TheSolution]

I am telling you man, we should keep talking about it till GOP wakes up and kill the traitors
There's no other way but to keep talking about it
On SM, PDF etc

Some years ago we didn't even talk about it, atleast now there's a conversation

Write e-mail to Moeed Yusuf?

 

[Maula Jatt]

Write e-mail to Moeed Yusuf?

They probably know

 

[TheSolution]

They probably know

This is what I can't put my head around, our hands are tied dealing with things externally due to limited influence and choices, but these guys cannot even control the domestic situation? They cannot find roots to sectarian figures, ethnic chauvinism, anti-state actors? Some are literally out in the open. Put a goddamn agent in every religious institution and monitor everything... bug politicians and all party members, ministers, f#cking everyone to catch the occasional rat too. Every moulvi and Mullah should be ISI approved

 

[SalarHaqq]

As I said it will go to mujtahid . We have grand ayatolah in Iran , Iraq , Lebanon , Bahrain , KSA even if I'm not wrong in Syria.
Second they are not obliged to pay their money to your government , they obliged to pay their tax .after that the government have no right to tell people how to use the money .


And the nature of havale is so that no money leave your country so then what's the fuss .
To me it seems your government is an slave to Western banking system and want to make every people use swift instead our old transaction system which is approved by our religion and served us well for millennials .

These anti-Iran elements are comfortable about subservience to the US regime or western-controlled international financial institutions (unsurprisingly, that part of your post was ignored). All they obsess about is Iran. Which is pretty much what the west and zionists want and expect them to do.

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Senior US Shiite cleric accused of embezzlement​

A group of Muslim youths accused the United States most senior Shiite cleric Hassan Qazwini of the embezzlement of Arab donations and called for the immediate return of the stolen money.

Shiite Muslims gathered at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan where they attended the memorial of the late Lebanese cleric Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah.

On their way out, they found a statement signed by a group that calls itself the Muslim Youth Congregation posted on the windshields of their cars, accusing prominent Iraqi-born cleric Hassan Qazwini, director of the Shiite dominated center, of embezzlement.

According to the statement, Qazwini collected donations from the Arab community in the United States and transferred them to his father's company in California.

The statement called upon Qazwini to immediately return the money, estimated at $350,000, to the center and laid the blame on the center's Board of Trustees for the negligence that allowed Qazwini to get away with stealing the money.
............
Source

What does the above article have to do with the present discussion? Someone's accused of having made personal use of donations. Not related to Iranian policy at all.

So you admit that your state is conspiring against the economic interests of Pakistan?

That isn't what his reply suggests. The mojtaheds' offices to whom the khoms goes are not state agencies but independent from the Iranian government.

And as stated by user Hack-Hook, there are non-Iranian mojtaheds as well, and Shia Muslims are free to choose their marja' out of 61 different ones at this time. Here is a list:

List of current Maraji - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There are two Pakistanis among them, one residing in Pakistan the other in Iraq, surely they will have numerous Shia Pakistanis among their followers. And so will important maraje' such as grand-ayatollah Sistani in Iraq, and others outside of Iran.

 

[PradoTLC]

so nuke Iran?

 

[Goritoes]

so nuke Iran?

Don't have to, those who try to burn other's homes usually end up burning their own.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Senior US Shiite cleric accused of embezzlement​

A group of Muslim youths accused the United States most senior Shiite cleric Hassan Qazwini of the embezzlement of Arab donations and called for the immediate return of the stolen money.

Shiite Muslims gathered at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan where they attended the memorial of the late Lebanese cleric Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah.

On their way out, they found a statement signed by a group that calls itself the Muslim Youth Congregation posted on the windshields of their cars, accusing prominent Iraqi-born cleric Hassan Qazwini, director of the Shiite dominated center, of embezzlement.

According to the statement, Qazwini collected donations from the Arab community in the United States and transferred them to his father's company in California.

The statement called upon Qazwini to immediately return the money, estimated at $350,000, to the center and laid the blame on the center's Board of Trustees for the negligence that allowed Qazwini to get away with stealing the money.
............

he is not a grand Ayatollah , and I wonder why the khoms went to him and I'm very much interested to knew which grand ayatollah he represent .

Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence​

DUBAI (Reuters) - A court in Bahrain on Sunday convicted the spiritual leader of the country’s Shi’ite Muslims of collecting funds illegally and money laundering and sentenced him to one year in jail suspended for three years, local media reported.

The court also ordered Ayatollah Isa Qassim, who is in his mid-70s, to pay 100,000 Bahraini dinars ($265,266) in fines over the charges, which emanate from the collection of an Islamic tax called Khums, which in Shi’ite Islam is collected and spent by a senior cleric in the interests of the needy.

The case had ratcheted up tensions in the Western-allied Gulf Arab state where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is based.

The kingdom has been convulsed by occasional unrest since authorities crushed 2011 protests mainly by Shi’ites demanding a bigger share in running the country.

The Arabic-language al-Wasat said the court also ordered the confiscation of 3.367 million dinars found in a bank account in the cleric’s name.

State news agency BNA, in a report that only referred to Qassim as a cleric, quoted the public prosecutor as saying the funds would be used for charity and humanitarian work once the ruling was deemed final.

“The public prosecutor asserted that the prosecution was currently studying the sentence to determine the possibility of an appeal,” BNA said.

The trial is part of a wider crackdown on dissent that included a ban last year on the main Shi’ite Muslim group Wefaq. Authorities accuse the group of fomenting sectarian unrest and having links to a foreign power, an apparent reference to arch-foe Iran. Tehran denies any interference in Bahrain.

Iran condemned the verdict and called on the Bahraini government to show respect for Qassim’s high religious ranking, the state news agency IRNA reported.

“The Bahraini government is expected to seriously consider his (Qassim’s) influence and moral authority, respect the will of the people, and cease pressures on Bahraini Muslim scholars,” IRNA quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi as saying.

Bahrain’s justice ministry took steps last week to dissolve the secular National Democratic Action Society (Waad) it accuses of supporting terrorism.

Qassim also faces expulsion from the kingdom after authorities revoked his citizenship last year for alleged foreign links and fomenting violence, charges he had denied.

His defense lawyers had refused to attend the hearings, which they saw as an attack on the country’s Shi’ites.
Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence

crackdown on Shia in Bahrain by the minority ruling party , no evidence ever provided that he was engaged in any money laundering , they just wanted to steal the khoms money and there is a judgement day and they must answer on that day if they spend one dinar of that money for something that the respected Grand Ayatollah didn't allowed .

We have ministry of religion to take care of these things. These things should be in knowledge of Pak government that dollars that they get from IMF, how many of them go to Iran. Also as government try to stop suicide bombings they should also try to stop economic bombs.

well for shia khoms won't go to the government if you guys want spend it through governmental routes you must reach an agreement with the Marja, and again when it come to khoms its youe income , didn't knew your Shia population recieve their income by Dollar and your Government distributed the Dollar it receive from IMF between them . if you want to knew where those money went go check your officials bank account . if you don't believe me go and check how much put aside for CPEC and how much actually spent there

I am also saying the same thing. Pakistani shia's send their Khums to mujtahid in Iran.

ask yourself why every country have a grand ayatollah but it seems there is no one in pakistan


and again i iterate in havalah no actual money is transfered outside Pakistan , when they do Havallah , a guy gave money to mr. X to be sent somewhere that mr. X knew somebody called mr. Z in destination and call him and ask him to gave the amount of money to the recipent and say you do so and I owe you that money and Mr. Z do so.
later somebody tell Mr. Z i need some money paid in Pakistan then mr. Z call mr. X and say hi do you recall you owe me some money now please I need some money paid there to some body and Mr. X will do that .

its how people of middle east traded for millennia's and this transaction system dated back to Sumerian , now if your government is cracking on it , it means they want people to use American controlled Swift instead of it and honestly by what I saw how USA and west care about people of middle east I say its nothing but treason

I am also saying the same thing. Pakistani shia's send their Khums to mujtahid in Iran.



We have ministry of religion to take care of these things. These things should be in knowledge of Pak government that dollars that they get from IMF, how many of them go to Iran. Also as government try to stop suicide bombings they should also try to stop economic bombs.

Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence​

DUBAI (Reuters) - A court in Bahrain on Sunday convicted the spiritual leader of the country’s Shi’ite Muslims of collecting funds illegally and money laundering and sentenced him to one year in jail suspended for three years, local media reported.

The court also ordered Ayatollah Isa Qassim, who is in his mid-70s, to pay 100,000 Bahraini dinars ($265,266) in fines over the charges, which emanate from the collection of an Islamic tax called Khums, which in Shi’ite Islam is collected and spent by a senior cleric in the interests of the needy.

The case had ratcheted up tensions in the Western-allied Gulf Arab state where the U.S. Fifth Fleet is based.

The kingdom has been convulsed by occasional unrest since authorities crushed 2011 protests mainly by Shi’ites demanding a bigger share in running the country.

The Arabic-language al-Wasat said the court also ordered the confiscation of 3.367 million dinars found in a bank account in the cleric’s name.

State news agency BNA, in a report that only referred to Qassim as a cleric, quoted the public prosecutor as saying the funds would be used for charity and humanitarian work once the ruling was deemed final.

“The public prosecutor asserted that the prosecution was currently studying the sentence to determine the possibility of an appeal,” BNA said.

The trial is part of a wider crackdown on dissent that included a ban last year on the main Shi’ite Muslim group Wefaq. Authorities accuse the group of fomenting sectarian unrest and having links to a foreign power, an apparent reference to arch-foe Iran. Tehran denies any interference in Bahrain.

Iran condemned the verdict and called on the Bahraini government to show respect for Qassim’s high religious ranking, the state news agency IRNA reported.

“The Bahraini government is expected to seriously consider his (Qassim’s) influence and moral authority, respect the will of the people, and cease pressures on Bahraini Muslim scholars,” IRNA quoted Foreign Ministry spokesman Bahram Qasemi as saying.

Bahrain’s justice ministry took steps last week to dissolve the secular National Democratic Action Society (Waad) it accuses of supporting terrorism.

Qassim also faces expulsion from the kingdom after authorities revoked his citizenship last year for alleged foreign links and fomenting violence, charges he had denied.

His defense lawyers had refused to attend the hearings, which they saw as an attack on the country’s Shi’ites.
Bahrain's top Shi'ite cleric gets one year suspended jail sentence

Senior US Shiite cleric accused of embezzlement​

A group of Muslim youths accused the United States most senior Shiite cleric Hassan Qazwini of the embezzlement of Arab donations and called for the immediate return of the stolen money.

Shiite Muslims gathered at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Michigan where they attended the memorial of the late Lebanese cleric Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah.

On their way out, they found a statement signed by a group that calls itself the Muslim Youth Congregation posted on the windshields of their cars, accusing prominent Iraqi-born cleric Hassan Qazwini, director of the Shiite dominated center, of embezzlement.

According to the statement, Qazwini collected donations from the Arab community in the United States and transferred them to his father's company in California.

The statement called upon Qazwini to immediately return the money, estimated at $350,000, to the center and laid the blame on the center's Board of Trustees for the negligence that allowed Qazwini to get away with stealing the money.
............
Source



So you admit that your state is conspiring against the economic interests of Pakistan?

You guys recruit zainabiyoun, how the recruitment works? You guys recruit these guys during their visit to zyarat e qaboor or Imam bargah/Hussania act as node of your intelligence?

the recruitment happen exactly how its done in every place , we do it inside Iran , not in Pakistan

 

[Muhammed45]

Look at the typing of this smart a** internet Agent. Asool and Faroh. Exactly resembles a non Arabic pronounciation. Like a time when a Jew wants to read Arabic.

Btw, what this Agent calls Iranian proxy war, is exactly a proxy war imposed on Iran which didn't Start from Syria but started with Saddam led assault on Iran with western backing.

In this unfair war of thousands against 1, Iran managed to appear as the survivor of this proxy war in the region thanks to Iranian/ Lebanese/ Pakistani/ Afghani etc warriors.

It is a victory for Iran to defeat western supported terrorists in Syraq and beyond. It is a victory for whole regional countries when USA pathetically left Afghanistan and Afghanistan fell into hands of USA's sworn enemies.

This proxy war that is imposed on Muslim nations which started with creation of Zionist Cancer in the region, will inshallah, end with destruction of Israeli occupiers. Success of Yemeni people and overthrowing of the western puppets in Islamic countries.

No one is denying that we are at war, and that a various kinds of War, soft war, Hybrid war, proxy war etc. Its been 40 years, give or take a few