Indian aggression at LOC

[JohnWick]

Ok Next

Then you will get your Kashmir.

 

[scorpionx]

I agreed with your some points but not every

In Feb, we haven't seen anyone stand with you esp after Feb 27 nor stand with your version. Entire media making fun of your country your forces. Now again today even FRANCE state television bashing and lashes out Modi. This is the first time entire International Media New York Times, Guardians, Reuters, Washington Post, BBC, CNN you name it these news broadcasters are major perception maker and fully backing of their respective Govts and their military establishment literally go against your version, your decision and in every single article clearly stated DISPUTED TERRITORY India violates Int laws bla bla... Even Russian envoy in UN says we will become a part of kashmir discussion so thats now Internationalize J&K not one discuss INTERNAL MATTERS discussion it clearly shows the govt narratives of China, Russia, West that they considered J&K disputed. Now where is your so called DIPLOMACY???

I agreed with your some points but not every

In Feb, we haven't seen anyone stand with you esp after Feb 27 nor stand with your version. Entire media making fun of your country your forces. Now again today even FRANCE state television bashing and lashes out Modi. This is the first time entire International Media New York Times, Guardians, Reuters, Washington Post, BBC, CNN you name it these news broadcasters are major perception maker and fully backing of their respective Govts and their military establishment literally go against your version, your decision and in every single article clearly stated DISPUTED TERRITORY India violates Int laws bla bla... Even Russian envoy in UN says we will become a part of kashmir discussion. If it was internal matter of India, then there was no need to go for open discussion in the security council like UNG, Russia, China and all other world powers stated. It clearly shows that the entire west considered J&K disputed. Now where is your so called DIPLOMACY???

All these International bashing, official rebuke (if there comes any) would hold some meaning if it compromises India's strategic and economic interests. As long as it doesn't affect these two, current leadership is ready to go to any extent. That is my opinion. The day Balakot happened (I am giving full credit to Pakistani response next day) this intention was pretty clear.

 

[Hassan Psy]

May be because I live in Germany and Germans are the most straight forward people, living here has really changed my attitude towards "emotions", I cannot really digest this BS of emotions, it seems so "indian" to me, the most emotional people that I have ever ccome across in Germany were all "indians", they behave exactly in the emotional style the way they show them in their Bollywood movies. I worked under a German supervisor and I was working for 15 hours a day to achieve a task given to me but even when I achieved the task after 2 months my supervisor would say "Ya, good job" no emotional BS at all. So all emotional BS that I read here sometimes makes me angry, even back in Pakistan also I was same, I think in our area Gujranwala people are also very direct, we don't care much about this emotional BS. For me if someone is paid for his job, there is no need to become emotional over the success of that person doing just their job that they are supposed to do, he has to do it that is what he is paid for, why should one write here 500 words emotional paragraph in praise of that person. If they do a good job, just say "good job", no need for emotional lecture over it.

So What i understand here is, u r trying to generalize your learning FROM GERMANY, on Pakistani people, emotions aside, though they are important part of human beings, What will you pay a person, Whose job is to give his/her life when necessary? Be straight as u claim to be, what price tag will u offer? Or accept if offered to u?

 

[cerberus]

All these International bashing, official rebuke (if there comes any) would hold some meaning if it compromises India's strategic and economic interests. As long as it doesn't affect these two, current leadership is ready to go to any extent. That is my opinion. The day Balakot happened (I am giving full credit to Pakistani response next day) this intention was pretty clear.

The Biggest Weapon India has In his Arsenal is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Pakistan_Agreement

I Mean Look at Poster Here Advocating Forced Annextion of J&K By Chinese But not india

This is hilarious

UNSC charter Goes into Dustbin For Friend China Like Situation Muslim In China

Nevertheless they Should be Happy in there own World

 

[SingHee]

What the idiots are saying

https://twitter.com/x/status/1161937246024536065

Notice how all these soldiers are Sikhs.

People on these forums and all Pakistanis must not fall in to the trap of double standards in taking a pro Indian Sikh stance. Supporting the idea of my enemy's enemy is my friend is morally corrupt, and no good can be expected in the short or long run.

Finally, Punjabi was never the language of the forefathers of the original Punjabi people, and was created as a grass roots community language during the times of the Muslim preachers who propagated Islam to non Muslims and migrants from the east.

The original language of Muslim Punjabi forefathers was Persian, with Urdu imposed at a much later date.

 

[Areesh]

Won From us ??? You Mean annexation Through Military power

Changing Legal Status of northerner Kashmir

You guys Hilarious How this Legal under UNSC charter

Please read Full

Pakistan recognizing Chinese sovereignty over hundreds of square kilometers of land in Northern Kashmir and Ladakh. The agreement is controversial, not recognized as legal by India, which also claims sovereignty over part of the land

Jahil chaddi still peddling lies about stuff he doesn't know about

While the truth is:

"It concerns the Shaksgam Valley and asserts: “Area ceded by Pakistan to China”. Pakistan ceded no territory to China under their agreement of March 2, 1963. On the contrary, it received from China 750 square miles of administered territory beyond the watershed, the traditional grazing ground for people in Hunza. "

https://frontline.thehindu.com/static/html/fl2901/stories/20120127290108200.htm

This is AG Noorani an Indian Supreme Court advocate who is saying that Pakistan didn't concede any piece of land to China. In fact it got land back from China.


See chaddi. parh BSDK.

Ab is forum par aa hi gaya hai to parh

 

[JohnWick]

The Biggest Weapon India has In his Arsenal is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Pakistan_Agreement

I Mean Look at Poster Here Advocating Forced Annextion of J&K By Chinese But not india

This hilarious

UNSC charter Goes into Dustbin Like Muslim In China

Even you jew dad USA don’t think about it....so who the hell r u?

 

[cerberus]

Even you jew dad USA don’t think about it....so who the hell r u?

arei bhai Context Pata hai debate ka ?? awayi

 

[MIG21DOWN]

Won From us ??? You Mean annexation Through Military power

Changing Legal Status of northerner Kashmir

You guys Hilarious How this Legal under UNSC charter

Please read Full

Pakistan recognizing Chinese sovereignty over hundreds of square kilometers of land in Northern Kashmir and Ladakh. The agreement is controversial, not recognized as legal by India, which also claims sovereignty over part of the land

Yes they annexed it and won it from u. I dont understand why u keep bringing up the Un to me when the whole point of our discussion was a false claim by u saying Pakistan gifted China land. U bhartis love to lie than change the subject when caught.

 

[Areesh]

arei bhai Context Pata hai debate ka ?? awayi

Abay kis baat ki debate

Teri sarkar nai tujhai chutya bana dia to tu chahta hai baqi bhi ban jaye

Yeh koi debate thori hai. Yeh to sach ki larhai jo Pakistan larh raha hai

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Nope We don't

• A mutual commitment to the peaceful resolution of all issues through direct bilateral approaches.
• To build the foundations of a cooperative relationship with special focus on people to people contacts.
• To uphold the inviolability of the Line of Control in Jammu and Kashmir, which is a most important CBM between India and Pakistan, and a key to durable peace.

India has faithfully observed the Simla Agreement in the conduct of its relations with Pakistan.

Tell me Which one is violated

TRY AND READ THIS (and more importantly - understand):


Why Revoking Special Status Is the Final Betrayal of Kashmir - Prem Shankar Jha.

The Modi government may not get away with its Kashmir decision because it is almost certain to set off repercussions, some of them outside the country, that it will not be able to control.

India is split over Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s decision to abolish Article 370 by a presidential order. The saffron fold is rejoicing: This government – their government – has had the guts to do what the Congress and its secularists could not. The Kashmir problem is over. There will be a period of unrest, but when it is over, this canker, this anomaly from the past, will have been removed. The building of the modern Indian nation will be complete.

They could not be more wrong. Modi made a huge blunder in November 2016 when he demonetised nine-tenths of the country’s currency in circulation at one stroke, paralysing the Indian economy for months. This did lasting damage to farmers and the rural poor, from which they have not recovered. But he got away with it.

It may be the sense of absolute invulnerability that the recent election has given him that has led him into an even greater blunder now. But this time, he may not get away with it because his action is almost certain to set off repercussions, some of them outside the country, that he will not be able to control.

Also Read: From Kashmir and 370 to Partition, BJP’s Hatred of Nehru is Fuelled by Falsehoods

The first is the reaction of the already deeply alienated Kashmiri youth. Modi correctly anticipated that abolishing Article 370 would make them erupt in even greater paroxysms of anger, than did the death of Burhan Wani in 2016. To preempt this, he moved 75,000 additional troops of the Central armed police into the valley, abruptly cut off the Amarnath yatra, closed all schools and colleges, shut down the internet, blocked mobile telephony and landlines. It was not just ‘separatist’ leaders who were put under house arrest but also, for the first time in Kashmir’s history, leaders of mainstream parties who have never questioned Kashmir’s accession to India.

But what he and home minister Amit Shah seem not to care about is the monstrous sense of betrayal that has swept the rest of the Kashmiri people – that 80-90% of the population who have never wanted a complete separation from India, and to whom azadi has always meant full political autonomy but without the severance of Kashmir’s connection with the rest of India.

This is the vast majority that the government has betrayed. It has done so because of blind adherence to an ideology that, like all others that the world has had to endure, shows no respect for history, and steamrolls facts that do not serve its purpose into the ground. This is the ideology of ‘Hindutva’.

Home Minister Amit Shah speaking in the Lok Sabha. Photo: PTI

The key fact that the Sangh ignores

The key fact that the Sangh parivar chooses to ignore is that Kashmiri Islam is entirely different from the Deobandi and Barelvi Islam practised by Sunnis in the rest of the subcontinent. Called Reshi Islam (after Rishi), it was brought to Kashmir by Sufis from Persia and Central Asia and spread in the valley by Brahmin disciples, the most famous of whom was Lalded, aka Laleshwari Devi, after whom schools, colleges and hospitals all over the valley are named today.

As a result, Kashmiri Islam is suffused with Hindu practices, so much so that in 1946, when the chief of the Kashmir Muslim conference, Chaudhury Ghulam Abbas, wrote to Mohammed Ali Jinnah asking that his party be inducted into the Muslim League, Jinnah declined because his secretary, Khursheed Ahmad reported from Srinagar that:

“… these people follow a strange form of Islam…. that drives a coach and four through all the tenets that we consider most holy … I fear that it will take a long period of re-education for them to become true Muslims.”

History will confirm that Kashmir was the only princely state in which it was the people, through the National Conference, and not solely the Maharaja, who decided to accede to India.

It will confirm that when armed infiltrators from Pakistan entered Kashmir dressed as peasants in August 1965 at the start of the 1965 war and asked a peasant to point out the way to Srinagar, he sent them on the wrong road and bicycled to Srinagar to warn the government of the presence of the infiltrators. It was this man that the ISI made one of the first targets of the insurgency, in 1990.

Finally, history will also confirm that since the insurgency started in 1989, every Kashmiri separatist leader who has been willing to discuss peace with New Delhi, or even lay out the steps Delhi would have to take if it wanted the insurgency to end, has been assassinated at the behest of the ISI. The list is long: it starts with Mirwaiz Maulvi Farouq, and ends with Abdul Ghani Lone, the father of Sajjad Lone – who joined the alliance with the BJP in 2015, was a minister till the other day, and has now been put under house arrest by the very government he backed. Had these leaders really wanted to break away completely from India, would Pakistan’s ISI have taken such great pains to have them killed?

Tragically, despite the opening of the bus road across the Line of Control, the insurgency in Kashmir dragged on because neither of Modi’s two predecessors knew quite how to end it. But despite this, Kashmiris did not give up hope that Delhi would one day understand what they really wanted and bring them peace. So strong was this hope that as recently as 2009, despite 20 years of insurgency, a survey commissioned by Britain’s Royal Institute of International Affairs had shown that only 2.5-7.5% of Kashmiris in the worst militancy affected districts of the valley said they wanted Kashmir to belong to Pakistan.

Only 2.5-7.5% of Kashmiris in the worst militancy affected districts of the valley said they wanted Kashmir to belong to Pakistan. Credit: S Irfan/PTI file photo

Was Modi aware of Kashmir’s history?

Had Modi been made aware of Kashmir’s history, he would have realised that Kashmir had already achieved a version of what V.D. Savarkar had dreamed of in 1923, when he propounded Hindutva – a civilisation in which the (Muslim) population fully recognised, and indeed prized, its (Hindu) cultural roots. Only the name they gave it differed: they called it Kashmiriyat.

As Yasin Malik, the leader of the JKLF, wrote in a short book, The Real Truth, while in jail in the early 90s, it was the Congress’s decision to lift the ban on the Jamaat-i-Islami that had been imposed by Maharaja Hari Singh that began the erosion of Kashmiriyat in the valley.

Had Modi really wanted to integrate Kashmir, therefore, he would have spared no effort to undo the damage done to Kashmiriyat in the previous 42 years. But he did the exact opposite: instead of easing the armed forces’ iron grip on the valley, he tightened it; instead of offering an amnesty to a budding generation of Kashmiri militants driven to desperation by the incessant harassment of their families by the police, he demanded unconditional surrender and deployed the IB’s newly acquired cyber-espionage capabilities to root them out and kill them.

Finally, instead of opening a dialogue with the Hurriyat and JKLF leaders – as he had himself agreed to do by signing on to the Agenda for Alliance document with the PDP in 2015 – he kept them under almost continuous house arrest, and destroyed the last vestiges of their hold on the youth of the valley. As if that were not enough, by also putting all the leaders of the mainstream parties under house arrest, he has made the Kashmiris leaderless and put them at the mercy of every wave of passion or anger in the valley.

Having closed every root to a peaceful end to the insurgency in Kashmir, Modi has decided to employ legal sleight of hand to make the problem disappear. Unfortunately, it will not disappear. Kashmiris will hold their breath till the Supreme Court passes its verdict on the appeal filed against the revocation of Article 370. The court is unlikely to uphold the presidential order, because doing so would fly in the face of its own decisions of 2017 and 2018 that Article 370 is not a temporary article of the constitution.

All serious observers of Kashmir and the Constitution knew that the word ‘temporary’ had been introduced only to convey the fact that the scope of Article 370 would have to be redefined after the return of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir to the state.

By the same token, the abolition of the Kashmir assembly’s right to declare itself a constituent assembly in 1956 was a tacit admission that the legal provisions governing Kashmir’s relations with India could not be kept hostage to Pakistan’s non-compliance with the UN Security Council’s 1948 resolution forever. The Modi government’s attempt to use a General Clauses (India) Act incorporated into the constitution as Article 367 – but passed by the British parliament in 1897 to resolve disputes in the interpretation of words used in the different statutes by which it governed India, at a time when Kashmir was not a part of India – is unlikely to pass muster with the Supreme Court.

Short lived relief

But even if this surmise proves right, the relief in the valley will be short lived. For the jingoism that Modi and the RSS will stir up – against Kashmiri Muslims, against Indian democrats and against the Supreme court itself – will see it coast to victory in the state elections at the end of this year .

After that, the BJP will acquire a majority in the Rajya Sabha and the road to changing the constitution via parliament will be open. It is only then that all hell will break loose in Kashmir.

As the death toll rises, thousands of young Kashmiris who have so far stayed out of the insurgency will join it. Judging from what ISIS has already announced, and what has happened elsewhere after the destruction of its original stronghold in Syria, jihadis from the Middle East, and perhaps even Europe, may find their way into the Valley despite everything that the security forces will do. Islamabad will also come under increasing pressure from its own public to unleash its jihadi tanzeems, and will claim that it cannot hold them back.

A long and bloody war will then ensue and terrorism will spread to the rest of India where there is no dearth of soft targets to attack. The hunt for terrorists that will follow will turn India into a police state. Carefully staged fake encounters, which became normal in Gujarat after the 2002 riots, will become the order of the day throughout the country. Muslims will be the main victims. Kashmiriyat will become a distant memory. That will be the beginning of the end of the India we have known till today.

Prem Shankar Jha is a Delhi-based journalist and writer.

 

[Areesh]

The Biggest Weapon India has In his Arsenal is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Pakistan_Agreement

So this was your "biggest weapon"?

Hain chaddi??

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pak is a Zinde Millet!!! As if a couple of skirmishes is enough to deter them!!! Even when the Ottoman Empire was going down one third of the male population became Shehits!!! These are the benchmarks we’re talking about....

 

[cerberus]

Jahil chaddi still peddling lies about stuff he doesn't know about

While the truth is:



https://frontline.thehindu.com/static/html/fl2901/stories/20120127290108200.htm

This is AG Noorani an Indian Supreme Court advocate who is saying that Pakistan didn't concede any piece of land to China. In fact it got land back from China.


See chaddi. parh BSDK.

Ab is forum par aa hi gaya hai to parh

Who is AG noorani ???again

Is he MEA ???
Read UN Charter Askai chin Ladakh is Part if J&K

PS: I am catholic

Source:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-11693674

 

[NA71]

just listen....who is saying is less important...