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Racing through the deserted streets of Kabul at nighttime, you are likely to be stopped at street corners by policemen once, twice or even more. If you are a South Asian, as I am, their guard is up even more. “Pakistani or Indian?” the cop barks out as you lower your window. When I answer “Indian”, he wants me to produce a passport to prove that, and as it happens, I am not carrying one. So I am pulled out of the car in the freezing cold and given a full body search, with the policemen muttering under his breath in Dari that everyone goes around claiming to be an Indian, especially Pakistanis.

To be an Indian in Kabul is to be greeted warmly wherever you go, whether it is negotiating a security barrier or seeking a meeting with a government official.
There is an easing of tensions (in Afghanistan, the fear uppermost in the mind is that the stranger at the door could be an attacker and you don’t have too long to judge), Bollywood is almost immediately mentioned, and your hosts will go out of their way to help.

To be a Pakistani is a bit more fraught. The body search is rigorous, the questioning hostile, and, more often than not, you have to be rescued by a Western colleague especially if you are entering one of those heavily guarded, unmarked restaurants frequented by foreigners.

To the ordinary Afghan, India and Pakistan have followed two different paths in the country beginning from the ouster of the Taliban in 2001 when there was hope in the air and you could walk in the streets of Kabul (instead of trying to escape it) to the current time when the Taliban have fought back and hold the momentum as the West withdraws after a long and ultimately, unsuccessful engagement.

While the Indians have been applauded for helping build roads, getting power lines into the capital, running hospitals and arranging for hundreds of students to pursue higher education in India, the Pakistanis are accused of the violence that Afghans see all around them, from the attacks in the capital to the fighting on the border and the export of militant Islam. It’s become reflexive: minutes into an attack, the blame shifts to Pakistan. “They must have done it.”

A Rand study into the differing strategies adopted by the rivals in Afghanistan quotes a 2009 BBC/ABC News/ARD poll which showed that 86 percent of Afghans thought Pakistan had a negative influence in Afghanistan, with only 5 percent saying it had made a positive contribution. India’s impact, by contrast, was seen as positive by 41 percent of Afghans and negative by only 10 percent. Overall, 74 percent of Afghans held a favourable view of India against 8 percent of those who had a positive impression about Pakistan.

Quite a stunning reversal from the time when Afghanistan under King Zahir Shah supported Pakistan in the 1965 and 1971 wars against India.

Since that opinion poll, things have only gotten worse for Pakistan, with the breakdown in its ties with the United States, principally over the sanctuaries that American officials say militants enjoy in Pakistan’s northwest, adding to its sense of isolation.

With America leaving while the fires still burn in Afghanistan, India may well be the country best positioned to pick up some of the slack, the authors of the Rand study, Larry Hanauer and Peter Chalk, argue.

Both India and Pakistan are in Afghanistan, not out of any sense of altruism, but their own strategic interests, and it just so happens that India’s are more in line with what the Afghans and the Americans are seeking than Pakistan’s. India’s biggest fear is that Afghanistan will again become a base for Pakistan-supported militants to launch attacks in India or against Indian interests elsewhere including its embassy in Kabul which has been targeted twice, the only one to be done so until the U.S. embassy attacks of 2011. A Taliban return to power could place Afghanistan back in Pakistan’s orbit and effectively put an end to Indian aid, investment and trade in the country, and cut off its own bridgehead into resource-rich Central Asia, a key potential source to feed the demand of a massive expanding economy, deficient in energy.

To this extent, New Delhi has sought to support a stable, democratic, multi-ethnic Afghan government. It’s been doing everything it can to open up its vast domestic market to Afghan exports to bolster the weak economy, but the routes run through Pakistan. It’s been trying to integrate Kabul into regional political and economic structures, so it doesn’t depend entirely on Pakistan, pushing its entry into the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation. Last year, it held an Afghanistan investment summit in New Delhi to attract not just India’s vast entrepreneurial class, but others too in the region, virtually taking on the role of a promoter for the war-torn country as an investment destination. Ahead of the 2014 pullout, the idea was to change the “narrative from that of anxiety to a narrative of hope,” Indian ambassador Gautam Mukhopadhaya said at the time.

Which pretty much ties up with the U.S. aspirations for Afghanistan post 2014: a stable, strong and independent nation, which won’t become a base for militants and with an economy strong enough to pay its own bills.

Pakistan’s goals in Afghanistan, are in contrast, seen as more India-driven, and hence security-focused. It has sought “strategic depth” in Afghanistan against an Indian invasion from the east, counter New Delhi’s efforts to project influence there and beyond into Central Asia, and prevent it from using Afghan soil to support Baloch separatists. Separately, it cannot also have the emergence of “Pashtunistan” straddling the disputed border with Afghanistan which can only exert a further centrifugal force and threaten its very identity as a nation-state.

With its military-dominated decision-making apparatus focused on internal security concerns and on keeping other powers from exerting influence in Afghanistan, Pakistan has little of positive value to offer Afghanistan or its neighbours,” the authors write.

With its economy in stress, neither is Pakistan in a position to invest in Afghanistan on a scale India’s fast-growing economy can.

“India’s democratic polity, institutionalized decision-making processes, relative internal stability, apolitical military, a large consumer base and growing economy make it a far more palatable partner for Kabul.”

Afghan President Hamid Karzai is in India this week and while the two countries will sign accords on mining and new development projects, the core message that he brings to New Delhi is that Kabul cannot be allowed to sink into chaos once the United States leaves, said the country’s envoy to New Delhi. Afghanistan is looking to a bigger Indian role in boosting training of security forces including police, ambassador Shaida Mohammad Abdali said.

While a small number of Afghan army officers are trained in Indian military institutions under a long-running programme, a strategic agreement signed between the countries last year opened the door to a bigger programme. Some experts have called for training of officers at top Indian counter-insurgency schools. The Indian army has had a rather long experience dealing with insurgencies from the revolts in the northeast soon as the country became free in 1947 to Kashmir when it erupted in 1989. India may also offer pilot training for the new Afghan air force and even provide some of its indigenously built advanced light helicopters, according to a February 2010 leaked cable from the U.S. embassy in New Delhi. It has also discussed the possibility of training Afghan policewomen and bomb disposal squads, but no training has yet taken place.

New Delhi has clearly recovered ground since it was caught off-guard at the January 2010 London conference on Afghanistan endorsing moves to open negotiations with the Taliban in which Pakistan would necessarily be a central player. But since then those talks have failed to get off the ground, and the turbulent relationship between the United States and Pakistan has taken such a turn for the worse that it is hard to see the international community allowing Islamabad a prime role in efforts to seek a lasting peace in Afghanistan.

Islamabad still remains key to any effort to bring the Taliban to peace talks and any solution to Afghanistan’s conflict looks unlikely without settling with the resurgent Taliban one way or the other.

Indeed, so volatile are the politics of the region that much can still change between now and the NATO withdrawal in 2014. The situation may deteriorate and New Delhi’s policy options may be reduced dramatically. In that event, India may put its development and commercial operations on hold and try and provide support to the elements of the Northern Alliance, like it did during the civil war and the 2001 war against the Taliban, says Daniel Norfolk in a paper on India’s engagement in the book “Afghanistan in Transition, Beyond 2014?” edited by Shanthie Mariet D’Souza from the Institute of South Asian Studies in Singapore.

If in case a friendly government emerges or an India-neutral government retains power in most big cities and in the north while a low-intensity conflict rages in other parts of the country, India’s greatest challenge will be to maintain its engagement without over-stepping the boundaries and squandering away the goodwill.

For in the case of other neighbours such Bangladesh, Nepal or Sri Lanka, India has often seemed as big and overweening and wasted precious political capital among its smaller neighbours.

India stepping up to the challenge of post-2014 Afghanistan | India Insight
 
Indians, please get it through your skulls. Uncle sam has called it a day and will leave very soon with his tail between his legs. The so called puppet goverment will last about 6 months after that. The taliban will be back in control and hence you will be more likely stepping down from the challenge.
You cant police what goes on in your own borders aur challe tekha laine dunya ka.
The talibs will only compromise with one, the good old ISI;) you know what I mean. Us ke baad sab ke sab ko behej daeing ge kashmir mei.
 
Indians, please get it through your skulls. Uncle sam has called it a day and will leave very soon with his tail between his legs. The so called puppet goverment will last about 6 months after that. The taliban will be back in control and hence you will be more likely stepping down from the challenge.
You cant police what goes on in your own borders aur challe tekha laine dunya ka.
The talibs will only compromise with one, the good old ISI;) you know what I mean. Us ke baad sab ke sab ko behej daeing ge kashmir mei.

The Bolded part specially "theka lena" apllies to Pakistan more than it does to any other nation.
We are not policing or trying to police Afghanistan,unlike what you are upto there,atleast what you claim to be upto.

2014 aaney do yaar,Dekh lengey.You worry about Durand line or we worry about Kashmir.
 
Indians, please get it through your skulls. Uncle sam has called it a day and will leave very soon with his tail between his legs. The so called puppet goverment will last about 6 months after that. The taliban will be back in control and hence you will be more likely stepping down from the challenge.
You cant police what goes on in your own borders aur challe tekha laine dunya ka.
The talibs will only compromise with one, the good old ISI;) you know what I mean. Us ke baad sab ke sab ko behej daeing ge kashmir mei.

That is Why all your Neighbors Hate you or are against your views from India to Tajikstan to Afghanistan to Iran . But again Dil ko Behlaney ka accha Khayal hai Galib .

While India , Iran and Afghanistan wants to work towards to socio- economic improvements , Larger flow of trade and commerce through the region you want to "EXPORT" terrorists .

That is why it doesn't come as surprise why All your Neighbors Hate you except a Close By country called China . They Also Have developed Apprehensions after ETIM terrorists active in Xinjiang were traced to Pakistan :azn:

After U.S. leaves the Region , they see a New Vassal state in you giving you same promises as the American's ( Higher than Mountains , Deeper than Oceans and Sweeter than Honey kind of thing ) . Keep on dreaming .
 
Against all odds India has much more potential in Afghanistan than Pakistan because for ordinary Afghan, India can accomplish what Pakistan cannot - naturally due to its much stronger economy. On national security level, Indian involvement will not introduce any rubbish doctrines of brother hood and religious fanaticism which threaten the national fabric and social integration of Afghanistan and its existence in the future as a stable country. Thirdly all major stake holders of Afghanistan ie: Russia, Iran and USA have a positive consensus on Indian role in Afghanistan. Despite differences among themselves, they all have a common consensus on Indian role in Afghanistan and common reservations against Pakistani connections with Taliban. Denying the reality and trying to turn the direction of Indus is impossible here.

Time for Pakistani's to stop their childish dreams, bring ISI to accountability and better accept Afghanistan as an independent country free to select its course. And seek to build relationship based on mutual trust and respect with Afghan government and people. Pakistan is located at a very strategic cross roads of Asia and middle east, unable to handle this reality with mature and long term plan will lead to our disintegration as a viable state.

All the talk of friendship, brotherhood and sisterhood are made for public consumption only.

Pakistan example in Afghanistan today is that of a defeated paper tiger whose friends all assured it of support but dissapeared into thin air the moment first punch was delivered, all the talk of brotherhood has not come to save us when country is going through worst ever security and economic crisis - however the money flew abundantly when it was time to finance terrorist seminaries and al quaida hit squads.

It would be far more sensible option to preserve whatever tid bit of national dignity is let, realize the embarrassing mistake and start a tedious but much needed reconciliation and integration process taking advantage of our strategic geographic position or else be faced with a future like North Korea.

Moral of the story: everyone works for their benefit and so we should.
 
Against all odds India has much more potential in Afghanistan than Pakistan because for ordinary Afghan, India can accomplish what Pakistan cannot - naturally due to its much stronger economy. On national security level, Indian involvement will not introduce any rubbish doctrines of brother hood and religious fanaticism which threaten the national fabric and social integration of Afghanistan and its existence in the future as a stable country.

Time for Pakistani's to stop their childish dreams, bring ISI to accountability and better accept Afghanistan as an independent country free to select its course. And seek to build relationship based on mutual trust and respect with Afghan government and people. Pakistan is located at a very strategic cross roads of Asia and middle east, unable to handle this reality with mature and long term plan will lead to our disintegration as a viable state.

All the talk of friendship, brotherhood and sisterhood are made for public consumption only.



I think it's time for you to come out of the closet.
 
I think it's time for you to come out of the closet.

It is time for you to quit fanboy-ism and grow up!


Waging forum jihad from the comfort of your home in USA is easy. You are definitely not forced to confront what a average Pakistani is going through everyday in Pakistan due to these stupid follies of brotherhood.

The world has grown out of cold war polarization, China has a lot to loose economically by going to war against India, US would not like any hanky panky in Afghanistan which disrupt its energy interests in Central Asia and finally, our failure to develop ourselves as a stable country will lead to our disintegration - Baluchistan being the first one to break away with foreign support.
 
It is time for you to quit fanboy-ism and grow up!

It seems like you're having some sort of crisis in your life.

I mean, I consider you a knowledgeable person, but your recent boot licking escapade has gone on long enough.


Land locked countries rely on what?

I'm just trying to spark the flint for you.
 
It seems like you're having some sort of crisis in your life.

I mean, I consider you a knowledgeable person, but your recent boot licking escapade has gone on long enough.


Land locked countries rely on what?

I'm just trying to spark the flint for you.

Its not called boot licking - its called survival.

Its not about a desperate escapade but building a long term sustainable future based on actual ground facts and geographic realities - not some looney tunes of brother hood and divine help.

Pakistan today is in dire situation and given the future integration of the region, it is necessary to revisit our forigen policy and tone down to improve our relations with entire region otherwise we may risk becoming a road block in the future of the region and that will only invite foreign meddling - even disintegration of the country.

Afghanistan may be land locked, but it is definitely not resourced locked. Time to quit this primitive mentality of looking down upon others are under privileged or inferior.
 
Waging forum jihad from the comfort of your home in USA is easy. You are definitely not forced to confront what a average Pakistani is going through everyday in Pakistan due to these stupid follies of brotherhood.

The world has grown out of cold war polarization, China has a lot to loose economically by going to war against India, US would not like any hanky panky in Afghanistan which disrupt its energy interests in Central Asia and finally, our failure to develop ourselves as a stable country will lead to our disintegration - Baluchistan being the first one to break away with foreign support.

So this is the depth of your Hosla-e-Iman?

God didn't give me a mercedes so he must not exist...


There is a reason why they say patience is a virtue.
 
So this is the depth of your Hosla-e-Iman?

God didn't give me a mercedes so he must not exist...


There is a reason why they say patience is a virtue.

Sorry but many generations have already perished with their patience and many will in the future with same attitude..

The place of religion is mosque, not national politics.

Islam did not turn Arabia into a beacon of knowledge and a role model of scientific development in last 1400 years and is incapable to do so for next 1400 years simply because Islam is a religion - not a national policy. On the contanary, political Islam used for power struggles have done very well in pushed once known centers of learning into complete stone age today.

All the fancy words like hosla-e-iman are good for Friday sermon consumption - not of any practical value.


Once upon a time the Ottomans used the same words to pacify their people, but one man Ata Turk proved them all wrong.

Your analogy of drawing a link between Mercedes and God is utterly childish - sort of like how kids believe in Santa Claus.
if you want a Mercedes, you will have to work hard and earn it.
 
Sorry but many generations have already perished with their patience and many will in the future with same attitude..

The place of religion is mosque, not national politics.

Islam did not turn Arabia into a beacon of knowledge and a role model of scientific development in last 1400 years and is incapable to do so for next 1400 years simply because Islam is a religion - not a national policy. On the contanary, political Islam used for power struggles have done very well in pushed once known centers of learning into complete stone age today.

All the fancy words like hosla-e-iman are good for Friday sermon consumption - not of any practical value.


Once upon a time the Ottomans used the same words to pacify their people, but one man Ata Turk proved them all wrong.

Your analogy of drawing a link between Mercedes and God is utterly childish - sort of like how kids believe in Santa Claus.
if you want a Mercedes, you will have to work hard and earn it.

You didn't seem to understand my point.


Afghanistan is linked to Pakistan. Any doubt?

For their survival they are fighting to get our Baluchistan. In fact, even those Pashtun Nationalists are duped into thinking they are more important than Baluchistan.

Why?


It would give the country access to the sea.


I understand you want peace and growth, but on the terms of others, while putting your own nation's aside.

There are seldom men that would sell their mother for that Mercedes, but they are out there.



The people in our country, in the poorest and most violent conditions have not given up hope, while you have already been broken down by propaganda.

What else can I say?
 
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