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Hi,
I believe that we had something similar done to our subs---to make them quiter---. The australians did it for us---.
Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions
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I believe that we had something similar done to our subs---to make them quiter---. The australians did it for us---.
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The Hangor Class are upgraded, Pakistan-specific variants of the Type 039B (Yuan-class) air-independent propulsion-equipped attack submarines. The 3,600-tonne, 78 meter long submarines will have a test depth of 550 meters and a complement of 40 sailors, and a range of almost 15,000 kilometers. Armed with 6 torpedo/missile tubes, the submarine is both an attack submarine with state-of-the-art ASW capabilities as well as an Anti-Ship Cruise Missile (AShCM) platform. The primary weapon for the Yu-6 heavyweight torpedo, which has a speed of 65 knots and a range of 45 kilometres. The submarine can also fire the Yu-9 next generation torpedo. The torpedoes are likely to include both the Yu-6 thermal powered torpedoes and the electric-powered type (designation unknown). Both weapons are wire guided dual-purpose (anti-ship, anti-submarine) weapons and are relatively modern. The submarine can also fire the YJ-18B supersonic ASCM/LACM with a range of 540 kilometres, as well as the YJ-82 subsonic anti-ship cruise missile.The Pakistani Hangor-Class will also be armed with the nuclear-capable Babur-III submarine-launched cruise missile. The Type 039B’s torpedo and missile launching system can also fire the YJ-8X (C-80X) series anti-ship missiles and the CY-1 anti-submarine warfare (ASW) missile.
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December 24, 2022
Photo: Pakistan Navy
KARACHI: The keel laying ceremony of the first Hangor-class submarine and the steel cutting of the second submarine were held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW) on Saturday, said the Pakistan Navy.
Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi graced the occasion as chief guest.
According to a press release, the defence agreement between Pakistan and China included the development of eight Hangor-class submarines including four under construction at Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Group (WSIG) in China and the remaining four being built at KS&EW under the Transfer of Technology (ToT) agreement.
The construction work of the first submarine to be made at KS&EW Pakistan commenced on December 21 and now the keel laying is being laid which is a major milestone in the history of any naval vessel being constructed, added the press statement.
Concurrently, construction work on a subsequent submarine has started with its steel cutting at the same shipyard.
The submarine is capable of undertaking a variety of missions as per operational dictates.
On the occasion, Admiral Niazi said that it is a matter of great pride to witness the keel laying and steel cutting of two submarines concurrently.
He added that Pakistan Navy is aware of the evolving geo-strategic situation in the region and will continue to develop naval potential, improve shipbuilding infrastructure and equip platforms with advanced weapons, and sensors to counter traditional as well as asymmetric threats.
Keel laying of Hangor class submarine held at Karachi Shipyard
Admiral Niazi says it is a matter of great pride to witness keel laying, steel cutting of two submarines concurrentlyDecember 24, 2022
Photo: Pakistan Navy
KARACHI: The keel laying ceremony of the first Hangor-class submarine and the steel cutting of the second submarine were held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW) on Saturday, said the Pakistan Navy.
Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi graced the occasion as chief guest.
According to a press release, the defence agreement between Pakistan and China included the development of eight Hangor-class submarines including four under construction at Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Group (WSIG) in China and the remaining four being built at KS&EW under the Transfer of Technology (ToT) agreement.
The construction work of the first submarine to be made at KS&EW Pakistan commenced on December 21 and now the keel laying is being laid which is a major milestone in the history of any naval vessel being constructed, added the press statement.
Concurrently, construction work on a subsequent submarine has started with its steel cutting at the same shipyard.
The submarine is capable of undertaking a variety of missions as per operational dictates.
On the occasion, Admiral Niazi said that it is a matter of great pride to witness the keel laying and steel cutting of two submarines concurrently.
He added that Pakistan Navy is aware of the evolving geo-strategic situation in the region and will continue to develop naval potential, improve shipbuilding infrastructure and equip platforms with advanced weapons, and sensors to counter traditional as well as asymmetric threats.
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The indigenous submarine development project at Pakistan achieved another mega milestone, wherein, the Keel Laying Ceremony of first HANGOR Class Submarine and Steel Cutting of second Submarine held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW). Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi graced the occasion as Chief Guest.
The defence agreement between Pakistan and China included development of 08 x HANGOR Class Submarines including 04 under constructions at Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Group (WSIG) in China and remaining 04 being built at KS&EW under Transfer of Technology (T o T) agreement. The construction work of first submarine to be made at KS&EW Pakistan commenced in Dec 21 and now the Keel Laying is being laid which is a major milestone in history of any naval vessel being constructed. Concurrently, construction work on subsequent submarine has started with its Steel Cutting at the same shipyard.
HANGOR Class Submarine is capable to undertake variety of missions as per operational dictates. The submarine possesses advanced stealth features and fitted with State-of-the-Art weapons and sensors to operate under multi-threat environment and can engage targets at stand-off ranges.
On the occasion, the honorable Chief Guest expressed that it is a matter of great pride to witness the Keel Laying and Steel Cutting of two submarines concurrently. He added that Pakistan Navy is aware of the evolving Geo-strategic situation in our region and will continue to develop naval potential, improve shipbuilding infrastructure and equip platforms with advanced weapons/ sensors to counter traditional as well as asymmetric threats. The Admiral showed confidence that these submarines will play leading role in catering the operational needs of Pakistan Navy.
Earlier the distinguished Rep of M/s China Shipbuilding Offshore Company (CSOC) expressed his gratitude for the ceremony. He added that his company will ensure seamless provision of all resources/ support for smooth construction of submarines in Pakistan. He further said that Pak-China friendship is deep rooted and share common objectives.
The ceremony was attended by representatives of M/s CSOC (China) and other high ranking officials including distinguished guests from Embassy of China, Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP), Pakistan Navy (PN) and KS&EW.
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The indigenous submarine development project at Pakistan achieved another mega milestone, wherein, the Keel Laying Ceremony of first HANGOR Class Submarine and Steel Cutting of second Submarine held at Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KS&EW). Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Amjad Khan Niazi graced the occasion as Chief Guest.
The defence agreement between Pakistan and China included development of 08 x HANGOR Class Submarines including 04 under constructions at Wuchang Shipbuilding Industry Group (WSIG) in China and remaining 04 being built at KS&EW under Transfer of Technology (T o T) agreement. The construction work of first submarine to be made at KS&EW Pakistan commenced in Dec 21 and now the Keel Laying is being laid which is a major milestone in history of any naval vessel being constructed. Concurrently, construction work on subsequent submarine has started with its Steel Cutting at the same shipyard.
HANGOR Class Submarine is capable to undertake variety of missions as per operational dictates. The submarine possesses advanced stealth features and fitted with State-of-the-Art weapons and sensors to operate under multi-threat environment and can engage targets at stand-off ranges.
On the occasion, the honorable Chief Guest expressed that it is a matter of great pride to witness the Keel Laying and Steel Cutting of two submarines concurrently. He added that Pakistan Navy is aware of the evolving Geo-strategic situation in our region and will continue to develop naval potential, improve shipbuilding infrastructure and equip platforms with advanced weapons/ sensors to counter traditional as well as asymmetric threats. The Admiral showed confidence that these submarines will play leading role in catering the operational needs of Pakistan Navy.
Earlier the distinguished Rep of M/s China Shipbuilding Offshore Company (CSOC) expressed his gratitude for the ceremony. He added that his company will ensure seamless provision of all resources/ support for smooth construction of submarines in Pakistan. He further said that Pak-China friendship is deep rooted and share common objectives.
The ceremony was attended by representatives of M/s CSOC (China) and other high ranking officials including distinguished guests from Embassy of China, Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP), Pakistan Navy (PN) and KS&EW.
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Type 039A (Yuan)-class submarine
The eight boats are scheduled to be delivered between 2022 and 2028. The Chief Director of the program revealed in August 2016 that the first four of these submarines will be delivered in 2022-2023, with the final four following in 2028.
The Pakistan Navy does not offer any details about the Hangor-class submarines’ subsystems or specific weapon systems. The Stirling AIP system is used in China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company’s (CSOC) S26 design, on which many experts assume the Hangor is based, but Pakistani officials have not publicly revealed the propulsion system of Hangor-class subs.
According to the Pakistani defense blog Quwa, Hangor-class submarines will be 76 meters long and have a displacement of 2800 tons, making them slightly shorter but heavier than the original S26 design.
Currently, PN operates three Agosta 90B air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines and two Agosta 70 diesel-electric submarines. Three Agosta 90B subs have been undergoing a mid-life upgrade under a contract signed in 2016 with the Turkish STM Company as the prime contractor. STM delivered the first upgraded submarine, PNS Hamza, in 2020. The scope of modernization is the replacement of the Fire Control System, Sonar Suite, Electronic Warfare System, Radar, and Periscope System (Navigation and Assault).
The eight Hangor Class submarines will significantly strengthen the Pakistan Navy. Pakistan is likely to improve its A2/AD capabilities in the region after the project is completed. Though no official confirmation has been made on the weapon systems, it is clear that Pakistan would obtain deep strike capability if the Hangor-class submarines were outfitted with Babur-3 SLCMs.
Naval News comments on Hangor-class project:
The Hangor-class submarines are an export variant of the PLAN’s Type 039A/041 Yuan-class submarines. Pakistan accepted the purchase of eight submarines from China in April 2015. According to the agreement, four of the submarines will be built in Pakistan’s KSEW at the same time as the other four would be produced in China.
Type 039A (Yuan)-class submarine
The eight boats are scheduled to be delivered between 2022 and 2028. The Chief Director of the program revealed in August 2016 that the first four of these submarines will be delivered in 2022-2023, with the final four following in 2028.
The Pakistan Navy does not offer any details about the Hangor-class submarines’ subsystems or specific weapon systems. The Stirling AIP system is used in China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company’s (CSOC) S26 design, on which many experts assume the Hangor is based, but Pakistani officials have not publicly revealed the propulsion system of Hangor-class subs.
According to the Pakistani defense blog Quwa, Hangor-class submarines will be 76 meters long and have a displacement of 2800 tons, making them slightly shorter but heavier than the original S26 design.
Currently, PN operates three Agosta 90B air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines and two Agosta 70 diesel-electric submarines. Three Agosta 90B subs have been undergoing a mid-life upgrade under a contract signed in 2016 with the Turkish STM Company as the prime contractor. STM delivered the first upgraded submarine, PNS Hamza, in 2020. The scope of modernization is the replacement of the Fire Control System, Sonar Suite, Electronic Warfare System, Radar, and Periscope System (Navigation and Assault).
The eight Hangor Class submarines will significantly strengthen the Pakistan Navy. Pakistan is likely to improve its A2/AD capabilities in the region after the project is completed. Though no official confirmation has been made on the weapon systems, it is clear that Pakistan would obtain deep strike capability if the Hangor-class submarines were outfitted with Babur-3 SLCMs.
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Pakistan Navy's 039P - Hangor Class Submarine Names:
1- PNS Hangor
2- PNS Ghazi
3- PNS Shushuk
4- PNS Mangro
5- PNS Tasnim
6- PNS Seem Maai
7- (--)
8- (--)
PNS Hangor is expected to be delivered to Pak Navy by the end of 2023 or early 2024.
Rest all will be delivered by 2028.
Pakistan Navy's 039P - Hangor Class Submarine Names:
1- PNS Hangor
2- PNS Ghazi
3- PNS Shushuk
4- PNS Mangro
5- PNS Tasnim
6- PNS Seem Maai
7- (--)
8- (--)
PNS Hangor is expected to be delivered to Pak Navy by the end of 2023 or early 2024.
Rest all will be delivered by 2028.
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Hopefully at least the last 3 can get a VLS section like the Amur 950, with 10-12 tubes. If they can carry a 1000-1500 km range Babur 3 or SLBM it would be a decent enough minimum credible deterrent to complete a triad for the strategic forces..,.,.
Naval News comments on Hangor-class project:
The Hangor-class submarines are an export variant of the PLAN’s Type 039A/041 Yuan-class submarines. Pakistan accepted the purchase of eight submarines from China in April 2015. According to the agreement, four of the submarines will be built in Pakistan’s KSEW at the same time as the other four would be produced in China.
Type 039A (Yuan)-class submarine
The eight boats are scheduled to be delivered between 2022 and 2028. The Chief Director of the program revealed in August 2016 that the first four of these submarines will be delivered in 2022-2023, with the final four following in 2028.
The Pakistan Navy does not offer any details about the Hangor-class submarines’ subsystems or specific weapon systems. The Stirling AIP system is used in China Shipbuilding and Offshore International Company’s (CSOC) S26 design, on which many experts assume the Hangor is based, but Pakistani officials have not publicly revealed the propulsion system of Hangor-class subs.
According to the Pakistani defense blog Quwa, Hangor-class submarines will be 76 meters long and have a displacement of 2800 tons, making them slightly shorter but heavier than the original S26 design.
Currently, PN operates three Agosta 90B air-independent propulsion (AIP) submarines and two Agosta 70 diesel-electric submarines. Three Agosta 90B subs have been undergoing a mid-life upgrade under a contract signed in 2016 with the Turkish STM Company as the prime contractor. STM delivered the first upgraded submarine, PNS Hamza, in 2020. The scope of modernization is the replacement of the Fire Control System, Sonar Suite, Electronic Warfare System, Radar, and Periscope System (Navigation and Assault).
The eight Hangor Class submarines will significantly strengthen the Pakistan Navy. Pakistan is likely to improve its A2/AD capabilities in the region after the project is completed. Though no official confirmation has been made on the weapon systems, it is clear that Pakistan would obtain deep strike capability if the Hangor-class submarines were outfitted with Babur-3 SLCMs.
Conflict with India would probably be a matter of 4-6 weeks, so at this stage, AIP SSBK or SSGK would probably be sufficient to meet Pakistan’s needs.
VLS based on what have been in use on the Type 093, are probably adequate for the PN. The Type 093 is much bigger than the Hangor class, but these VLS tubes small enough to be able to be put to Hanger subs.
A missile like the South Korean Hyunmoo 4-4 missile (10 meters long and 0.9 meter diameter) that has a 500 km, but in the PN there is probably a need for at 1000-1500 km range.
If this is too ambitious of a modification of the Hangor design, perhaps the PN will need to build a dedicated SSBK/SSGK fleet of 3 subs, so a variant of the Type 032 Qing Class with 10-12 VLS for 1000-1500 km missiles would be needed. But if that was done, the PN would probably want to hold out for a variant of the Type 032 to equipped with a small nuclear reactor (as on the French Rubis class, 48MW reactor) to improve the speed and endurance of the subs, to make them more survivable.
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if hangoor comes without VLS will be a big setback for Pakistan.
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If the PN's plan was to get a submarine geared for long-range land strikes, then sure. However, that was not the primary goal of the Hangor-class SSP. Rather, the Hangor-class SSP's job is to deter or deny enemy sea activity through anti-ship and anti-sub warfare. Long-range strikes are a secondary mission.
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Not the 'Daphne class' names again. More suitable names should exist in local languages.
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So real question is how many of those will be inducted now. First of Hangors and last 2 Type-54A/Ps were expected by now. The 3rd type-54A was expected by january. The delays may well be connected with payments.
In normal circumstances, China might have given those on further deferred payments. However, last 1 year is a shocking for China as well. Their illusion of thinking Pakistan as their trusted ally is shattered. The desperate attempts to get into US laps by Pakistani establishment is in front of everyone. In the big power games, US & China are arch rivals & fierce enemies. They both are trying to get their influence in various fronts. China's rising power can be seen at various fronts, however General Bajwa had petty personal issues with China. He believed our culture if close to american. he personally liked american food and not the chinese and he publicly said "we buy chinese equipment beecaaaazz West do not sell us". The dumb & low IQ general totally disrupted our regional & strategic direction all alone. The new 22nd grade officer who arrogantly & shamelessly considers himself all in all of Pakistan has visited Europe & middle-east but not tried to reconcile with China. In this new world, smaller countries can either be neutral for all OR can select one side. but you cannot be in both camps. You are giving weapons & ammo against China's best buddy Russia, You humiliate them publicly and you remove an entire government to please US (the power game enemy no.1 of China) and then you take China's friendship for granted is hilarious. Theoretically we can never be in US camp now atleast in foreseeable future, that space is taken by our existential enemy India. They will never allow it. The dumb General should have built on our relationship with China and take it on to further heights instead backstabbing it.
In normal circumstances, China might have given those on further deferred payments. However, last 1 year is a shocking for China as well. Their illusion of thinking Pakistan as their trusted ally is shattered. The desperate attempts to get into US laps by Pakistani establishment is in front of everyone. In the big power games, US & China are arch rivals & fierce enemies. They both are trying to get their influence in various fronts. China's rising power can be seen at various fronts, however General Bajwa had petty personal issues with China. He believed our culture if close to american. he personally liked american food and not the chinese and he publicly said "we buy chinese equipment beecaaaazz West do not sell us". The dumb & low IQ general totally disrupted our regional & strategic direction all alone. The new 22nd grade officer who arrogantly & shamelessly considers himself all in all of Pakistan has visited Europe & middle-east but not tried to reconcile with China. In this new world, smaller countries can either be neutral for all OR can select one side. but you cannot be in both camps. You are giving weapons & ammo against China's best buddy Russia, You humiliate them publicly and you remove an entire government to please US (the power game enemy no.1 of China) and then you take China's friendship for granted is hilarious. Theoretically we can never be in US camp now atleast in foreseeable future, that space is taken by our existential enemy India. They will never allow it. The dumb General should have built on our relationship with China and take it on to further heights instead backstabbing it.
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