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A verbose post, but does not address the question.

1. How is some perceived Chinese solution better than some perceived solution provided by NTPC ? To answer that question, first we need to know what those solutions are. Do you know ?

2. Again, you seriously need to educate yourself. There are so many gaps that I can see. It's quote evident, because you are just asserting convictions and nothing more.
If X is better than Y then better how ? or if X is bad then how did you reach that conclusion ?

As I have little time due to work and family commitments - let's chew on the following for a while. It's clear India is losing the fight since 2011 on its own home turf. Why should Bangladesh be any different? However we tried Raozan many years ago for a Chinese built project and faced many issues. The Chinese have obviously gotten much better at reliability since then.

How many 'power generation companies' in the World have profit in the range of USD 2.32 billion ?
I don't know if this is supposed to make NTPC more credible. It certainly does not tell me anything about reliability or on time delivery (maybe it is a sign of a captive market in India). The Chinese companies (Dongfang, Shanghai Electric Corporation and Harbin) are eating NTPC's shirts in India itself, much less in other markets like Bangladesh. The Chinese power generation industry is humongous - much bigger than anything in India.


Copyright 2015, Forbesindia.com

BHEL's Power Struggle
by K.P. Narayana Kumar, Prince Mathews Thomas | May 5, 2011

As private power manufacturers opt for Chinese equipment, BHEL gears up to take on the competition on the opponent's rules
The senior managers of a three-year-old thermal power plant in North India say that the Chinese equipment they installed has been giving them trouble due to low quality. They are not alone. Around the country, power plants have claimed that they bought cheaper Chinese boilers, turbines and generators in preference to Indian equipment only to see them malfunction too quickly.

On the surface, it looks like a demand for better quality. But look closer and it is clear that a quite different battle is brewing. It is one way the local industry is reacting to the Chinese invasion into the country’s power equipment sector.

But not everyone is unhappy. Take Lanco Infratech, in the power business for more than two decades. It has enough confidence in its Chinese suppliers to have them equip half its requirements for the next four years. Lanco is clearly not the only one vouching for the viability of Chinese equipment. Between 2004 and 2007, firms in China accounted for equipment in 18 power plants in India.

The debate over the quality of Chinese equipment is a side show to the main drama — the rapid entry of Chinese firms that has seen the state-owned market leader Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. (BHEL) losing ground.

India’s power sector was dominated by state firms for long. BHEL was the equipment supplier and the National Thermal Power Corporation (NTPC) was a dominant force in power production. But today a host of new entrants, such as Reliance Power, Adani Power and Lanco, are serious players.

Over the past five years, private players have been increasingly moving away from the state behemoth because of its low production capacity, delayed delivery performance and cost factors.

The reasons for importing equipment from China are simple: They are cheap and are delivered on time. But there is one factor that clinches the deal for the Chinese. They bundle their equipment with easy financing from large Chinese lenders. The cocktail is simply irresistible for the Indians.
As India steps up the rate at which it adds power generation capacity to fuel an economy growing at 9 percent, there may be room for both Indian and Chinese players. But it will be interesting to watch how Indian companies, especially BHEL, fight to regain their primacy on their home turf.

Why Cross the Great Wall?
The rush for equipment from China was triggered by the massive expansion plans for power generation in India. The country’s demand for power is expected to increase by 315,000 MW by 2017, requiring an investment of $600 billion (Rs. 2,580,000 crore) if the economy continues to grow at 8 percent, a McKinsey report said in 2008. At present, India has an installed capacity of 144,565 MW. Indian power manufacturers did not have the required capacity to meet this rising demand.

A senior manager with a Gujarat plant which has bought equipment from China says it had become difficult for companies to deal with BHEL as they were rarely on schedule. “The Chinese, because they do their business on a massive scale, are better able to stick to the delivery schedule. That makes a huge difference for us,” he says, adding that the quality of Chinese equipment is vouched for by the fact that they dominate every stream of the equipment business worldwide.

In a conventional plant using BHEL equipment, for every unit of power the producer needs to put in Rs. 2 as fixed cost and Rs. 1.2 as fuel cost. Power generation companies try to reduce the fixed cost as much as possible. For instance, reducing the fixed cost from Rs. 2 to Rs 1.4 or Rs. 1.5, which is possible with Chinese equipment, makes the scenario very competitive and power producers can win bids.

The Chinese have another ace up their sleeve: The ability to provide cheap financing for the equipment they sell. Financing is a problem because regulations require power generation companies to have a debt equity ratio of 30:70. If someone like Reliance wants to expand their capacity by thousands of megawatts over the next two or three years, it is difficult for them to raise so much money at a high interest rate. Therefore, they look for alternatives.

In order to lend teeth to their equipment suppliers, Chinese banks have stepped in to lend to Indian power sector majors. Last December, Reliance Power struck a deal for $1.1 billion (Rs. 5,000 crore) in loans from three Chinese banks — Bank of China, China Development Bank and the Export Import Bank of China — and the loans are tied to procuring equipment from Chinese companies. Lanco Infratech decided to tie up around $2.64 billion (Rs. 12,000 crore) from Chinese lenders.

An executive with a well-known power utility said there is a big difference in the rate of interest charged by Indian and Chinese banks. While Indian banks charge around 10 to 13 percent interest on loans, Chinese banks charge only 4 to 6 percent.

These deals have set alarm bells ringing among the policy-making circles in the power sector. “There has to be some monitoring of these financing deals. As of now, the whole system is geared in favour of the Chinese as there is no quality control in bidding and with Chinese lending, there would be an increase in companies buying Chinese products,” says T.C. Arora, senior vice president, Astonfield Renewable.

BHEL chairman B.P. Rao had earlier urged the central government to impose a customs duty on Chinese imports. The Planning Commission has also prepared a report — which is awaiting Cabinet approval — on imposing duties.

The industry association Assocham has put its own spin on the issue. It said last year that power plant equipment worth around 50,000 MW capacity was ordered by Indian power producers from Chinese suppliers, resulting in a loss of about Rs 50,000 crore to the domestic equipment manufacturing market.

The Issue of Quality
Red flags have also been raised over the issue of quality in the past three years after a series of incidents at plants using equipment from Chinese suppliers.

Insiders in the power industry say that at least six plants that were set up with Chinese technology have faced critical problems in the past three years. These plants include the Sagardighi Thermal Power Plant set up by the West Bengal Power Development Corporation Limited, the Durgapur Thermal Power project and the Yamunanagar plant of the Haryana Power Generation Company Ltd (HPGCL).

A site inspection report by the Central Electricity Authority in 2008 at Sagardighi showed that the turbine rotor had failed when the plant was running on full load and found problems with piping systems in the boiler. The inspection team found inefficiencies in the Yamunanagar and Durgapur projects as well. The Chinese vendor, Dongfang, which supplied equipment to two of these projects, denied there was anything wrong with its parts while a senior HPGCL official refused comment.

So why are Indian promoters not running away from Chinese suppliers?

“It is not that the Indian industry is unaware of the criticism against Chinese products. But the problem is that the entire focus of tendering in India today is on being competitive. There has to be some sort of techno-commercial evaluation built into the system to ensure that sub-standard
equipment is not used,” says professor A.G. Iyer.

An analyst with a multilateral agency says the hype about Chinese banks lending to Indian power sector companies hinged on the fact that the lenders were ‘Chinese’. “The OECD countries also have some form of export financing. Really, the market should be allowed to decide from where you need to import or get financing,” he said.

Also, some companies don’t buy the accusation that the Chinese are selling sub-standard goods. “By 2015, half our power equipment will be sourced from the Chinese,” says Prakash Vaid, senior vice president at Lanco. That Chinese equipment is of bad quality is a myth, he says. “If we buy any longer from GE or Alstom, the project will just not be viable. With Indian suppliers, while the project will be viable, delivery schedule is a problem.”

According to Li Qi, chief representative of Dongfang Electric Corporation in India, the company did not enjoy an undue price advantage compared to Indian companies like BHEL. “The only advantage that we have is on the delivery schedule, which makes the projects that use our equipment more viable.” This year, the total capacity of Dongfang in China will increase from 37 GW to 42 GW, “which makes us the largest power equipment manufacturer in China and possibly in the world.”

Despite the criticism on the lack of quality control, the Chinese vendors have their hands full in India. The three principal Chinese suppliers, Dongfang, Shanghai Electric Corporation and Harbin, account for 18 projects for which equipment was ordered between 2004 and 2007.

An executive with a company in talks with Chinese banks said it was not correct to assume that they chose Chinese equipment only because it was cheap. Stricter adherence to deadlines and the delivery schedule is also a factor in companies giving orders to Chinese manufacturers. “It is unfortunate that we have a belief that anything with a ‘made in China’ tag has to bad. It is not so,” the executive said.

What Ails BHEL?
A report published by Bank of America and Merrill Lynch this January says that one of the serious risks faced by Indian power equipment maker BHEL is that of Chinese companies undercutting them. A cost comparison in the study suggests that an average Chinese vendor’s pricing for a BTG (Boiler Turbine Generator) would be around Rs. 1.6 crore per MW. The same would cost around Rs. 2.6 crore per MW if it were to be supplied by BHEL. Lower interest rates in China substantially contribute to the ability of Chinese companies to maintain low rates.

BHEL’s main problem was its low capacity that leads to huge delivery delays. In 2003, for instance, it had a capacity of 5,000 MW annually while the domestic market, which was opening up, needed 8,000 MW. A delay of, say, six months to a year, can add at least 10 percent to costs. If an equipment costs Rs 4.5 crore per MW, its cost can go up by at least Rs 45 lakh.

This and the fact that Chinese equipment was cheaper, saw Reliance venturing out in 2005-06.

However, the customer loses the price advantage when taking into account the life-cycle cost of the equipment made in China. The Bank of America and Merrill Lynch report says that equipment supplied by BHEL is superior to Chinese products after accounting for parameters such as auxiliary consumption, heat rate, plant load factor and metallurgy.

Auxillary consumption accounts for the energy used by auxiliaries such as cooling towers, while heat rate measures the ability of a machine to convert heat into power.

Plant load factor refers to the ability of a plant to perform to its rated capacity.

“The technical and commercial superiority of BHEL plants leads to its customer deriving 10 percent higher free cash-flow to equity (FCFE) when compared with a Chinese power plant even after factoring-in lower funding cost of Chinese plants from China EXIM,” says the study, which primarily focuses on BHEL.

Taking On the Competition
While the government decides on a policy regarding the import of Chinese power manufacturing equipment, BHEL has come up with a two-pronged strategy to take on the Chinese with their own rules of the game.

BHEL wants to use its cash surplus of nearly Rs. 10,000 crore to set up a new subsidiary that will function as its financing arm for power projects. The next board meeting will take up the report that is being prepared by its advisor Crisil on the road map for the new unit. With more than 70 per cent of its revenues coming from the power sector, the new unit is seen as an integral part of the public sector company’s strategy to see off competition from Chinese suppliers and its domestic peers.

“As financing has been a problem for power generation companies, forcing them to approach Chinese banks, a power financing firm will at least partly cater to this need. In the process, we also make sure that we get access to equipment orders,” says a company official on conditions of anonymity. So, while financing a power company’s project, BHEL will make sure its clients also make it the preferred supplier for power projects.
The other step is to try and expand its order book, BHEL has also been forming joint ventures with state utilities to set up and operate super critical thermal power plant. Like in the case of the financing arm, this move will again partly alter the profile of the public sector giant, which has focused on manufacturing so far.

BHEL has already set up JVs with the governments of Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka to build power plants. Here again, BHEL becomes the preferred supplier of power equipments for these projects. Officials say that the company is in talks with other state governments including those of Andhra Pradesh, Kerala and Maharashtra for similar ventures.

The fight has just begun.

This article appeared in Forbes India Magazine of 06 May, 2011

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India to buy $7B of power plant equipment from China


In a major boost to bilateral trade between two of Asia's largest emerging economies, Chinese companies are executing orders worth $7 billion for power plant equipment for upcoming projects in India.

According to Lloyds Register Quality Assurance (Surrey, United Kingdom), a leading provider of business assurance and compliance certification, Chinese companies are manufacturing power equipment such as turbines, boilers and generators that will be used to produce nearly 22,000 megawatts (MW) of electricity in plants across India.

Major Chinese suppliers include Dongfang Electric Corporation Limited (Chengdu, Sichuan province), Shanghai Electric Group Company Limited (Shanghai), and Harbin Power Equipment Company Limited (Harbin, Heilongjiang province). Indian buyers mainly include key firms in the power sector, such as Jindal Steel and Power Limited (Hisar, Haryana), the Adani Group (Ahmedabad, Gujarat), Essar Group (Mumbai), KSK Energy Ventures Limited (Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh), JSW Energy Limited (Bellary, Karnataka), and Reliance Industries Limited (Mumbai).

India is currently experiencing a power deficit of about 9 percent to 13 percent. In order to meet the country's soaring demand for electricity, India's government plans to build power plants capable of generating 92,000 MW as part of the ongoing Eleventh Five-Year Plan period, 2007-2012. This ambitious target is set to increase the country's total power generation capacity to about 237,554.97 MW by 2012.

Key domestic companies, such as Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BSE:500103) (New Delhi), India's largest equipment manufacturer and engineering company in the power sector, lack the infrastructure required to supply plant equipment for India to attain its proposed target. BHEL currently has a capacity to produce only 10,000 MW per year of power equipment, forcing Indian companies to turn to China to fulfilling demands.

The Chinese companies will bridge the gap by supplying nearly 23 percent of the required equipment. A comparatively faster turnaround time for delivering equipment at significantly lower prices is an important factor that works in favor of the Chinese firms. They are capable of supplying equipment for a 4,000 MW plant in 18 months, which is 30 percent faster compared to domestic companies. The manufacturing capacity of Dongfang Electric, for instance, is 20,000 MW, which is twice that of BHEL. Chinese suppliers have also consistently been cost effective, quoting prices that are 10 percent to 12 percent lower than the best offer from BHEL.

Chinese companies have been steadily securing orders from Indian power companies despite problems being reported over installations in some power plants. The firms had come under the scrutiny of the Central Electricity Authority (New Delhi), the Indian government's statutory organization for regulating the power sector, which performed a complete audit of the equipment supplied and released a set of recommendations for future supplies. However, the Chinese firms have rebutted claims of inferior quality of their equipment, as no major failure has been reported since the incident of faulty turbines at West Bengal Power Development Corporation Limited's 300 MW Sagardighi project last year.
 
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Loans are expected to fund up to 70% of the $1.5b project, while India and Bangladesh will fund the remaining 30% equally.

If they are asking for loans to fund 70% of the project what's the need for an Indo-Bangla joint venture??
 
If they are asking for loans to fund 70% of the project what's the need for an Indo-Bangla joint venture??

Precisely, infact the Bangladesh government is asking for 70% from private banks and providing 15%, while loan finance from india amounts to only 15%.
 
Precisely, infact the Bangladesh government is asking for 70% from private banks and providing 15%, while loan finance from india amounts to only 15%.

Good point there ! It is high time we come up with our own source of finance for such projects. We do have a budget of around 3 friggin lac crores coupled up with a massive foreign reserve of over 25bil USD.

Also, I find it annoying that nobody is coming up with a solution to the problem. Everyone out there speaking out against the project does not come up with an alternative solution, not even the so called "gyani guni" manush jon :/

It is perhaps true that there would be serious ecological effect of the powerplant, the same is true for even the proposed deep sea ports. It is the cost of development :/

But can we come up with a solution to this power problem ? ... we are a power hungry nation and our thirst will grow exponentially. It is high time we come to a sustainable solution to this problem.

Coal is among the cheapest solution and even developed countries like USA is leaning on it. Surely we would follow their footstep :P ... but how can we ensure our ecology gets least affected ? ... the whole country is prone to flood and we do not have the infrastructure nor the luxury to transport imported coal further inland (or do we ?)
 
Coal-powered power generation is the biggest power sector in neighboring India for a reason -
  • Coal-powered power generation using Steam Turbine (ST) is cheap
  • Equipment has been proven and refined with over hundred years of experience
  • Even with relatively inefficient equipment - NTPC has been producing reliable power in India for twenty plus years
  • In Bangladesh Hatirpool was the first large city power station (AC) in Dhaka which was a coal-fired plant (50's - Babcock). Small-scale DC power generation in the 1910's started in Old Dhaka using English equipment.
  • As coal-powered was antiquated technology in 50's - Bangladesh went into clean gas-turbine (GT) plants
  • Bangladesh has had over 15 public sector pure-GT and Combined Cycle (Multi Fuel) GT plants and 5 public sector Fuel oil plants. The reason was of course abundant supply of local gas.
  • Private sector (only US) is mostly barge-mounted GT plants with one land based -
    • Coastal Energy/Summit - 300MW
    • El Paso/Ogden/Wartsila - 300 MW
    • Cinergy UK - 100 MW (Baghabari)
    • AES - 800 MW (land-based)
    • There are other unknown plants from non-US countries as well
  • Lately coal-fired technology has been environmentally refined by NOx elimination technique
  • Matarbari in Chittagong is a Japanese Coal-fired ST technology project which has been okayed by ECNEC recently and is on full swing implementation mode.
  • It is an anthracite-powered super critical project with 600+600 MW in the first phase.
  • Includes deep sea port having a coal discharge jetty .
  • See following video for technology demo (sorry Bangla only).
complete-electricity-hub.jpg
 
As I have little time due to work and family commitments - let's chew on the following for a while. It's clear India is losing the fight since 2011 on its own home turf. Why should Bangladesh be any different? However we tried Raozan many years ago for a Chinese built project and faced many issues. The Chinese have obviously gotten much better at reliability since then.


I don't know if this is supposed to make NTPC more credible. It certainly does not tell me anything about reliability or on time delivery (maybe it is a sign of a captive market in India). The Chinese companies (Dongfang, Shanghai Electric Corporation and Harbin) are eating NTPC's shirts in India itself, much less in other markets like Bangladesh. The Chinese power generation industry is humongous - much bigger than anything in India.


Copyright 2015, Forbesindia.com

BHEL's Power Struggle
by K.P. Narayana Kumar, Prince Mathews Thomas | May 5, 2011

As private power manufacturers opt for Chinese equipment, BHEL gears up to take on the competition on the opponent's rules
The senior managers of a three-year-old thermal power plant in North India say that the Chinese equipment they installed has been giving them trouble due to low quality. They are not alone. Around the country, power plants have claimed that they bought cheaper Chinese boilers, turbines and generators in preference to Indian equipment only to see them malfunction too quickly.

On the surface, it looks like a demand for better quality. But look closer and it is clear that a quite different battle is brewing. It is one way the local industry is reacting to the Chinese invasion into the country’s power equipment sector.

But not everyone is unhappy. Take Lanco Infratech, in the power business for more than two decades. It has enough confidence in its Chinese suppliers to have them equip half its requirements for the next four years. Lanco is clearly not the only one vouching for the viability of Chinese equipment. Between 2004 and 2007, firms in China accounted for equipment in 18 power plants in India.

The debate over the quality of Chinese equipment is a side show to the main drama — the rapid entry of Chinese firms that has seen the state-owned market leader Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. (BHEL) losing ground.

India’s power sector was dominated by state firms for long. BHEL was the equipment supplier and the National Thermal Power Corporation (NTPC) was a dominant force in power production. But today a host of new entrants, such as Reliance Power, Adani Power and Lanco, are serious players.

Over the past five years, private players have been increasingly moving away from the state behemoth because of its low production capacity, delayed delivery performance and cost factors.

The reasons for importing equipment from China are simple: They are cheap and are delivered on time. But there is one factor that clinches the deal for the Chinese. They bundle their equipment with easy financing from large Chinese lenders. The cocktail is simply irresistible for the Indians.
As India steps up the rate at which it adds power generation capacity to fuel an economy growing at 9 percent, there may be room for both Indian and Chinese players. But it will be interesting to watch how Indian companies, especially BHEL, fight to regain their primacy on their home turf.

Why Cross the Great Wall?
The rush for equipment from China was triggered by the massive expansion plans for power generation in India. The country’s demand for power is expected to increase by 315,000 MW by 2017, requiring an investment of $600 billion (Rs. 2,580,000 crore) if the economy continues to grow at 8 percent, a McKinsey report said in 2008. At present, India has an installed capacity of 144,565 MW. Indian power manufacturers did not have the required capacity to meet this rising demand.

A senior manager with a Gujarat plant which has bought equipment from China says it had become difficult for companies to deal with BHEL as they were rarely on schedule. “The Chinese, because they do their business on a massive scale, are better able to stick to the delivery schedule. That makes a huge difference for us,” he says, adding that the quality of Chinese equipment is vouched for by the fact that they dominate every stream of the equipment business worldwide.

In a conventional plant using BHEL equipment, for every unit of power the producer needs to put in Rs. 2 as fixed cost and Rs. 1.2 as fuel cost. Power generation companies try to reduce the fixed cost as much as possible. For instance, reducing the fixed cost from Rs. 2 to Rs 1.4 or Rs. 1.5, which is possible with Chinese equipment, makes the scenario very competitive and power producers can win bids.

The Chinese have another ace up their sleeve: The ability to provide cheap financing for the equipment they sell. Financing is a problem because regulations require power generation companies to have a debt equity ratio of 30:70. If someone like Reliance wants to expand their capacity by thousands of megawatts over the next two or three years, it is difficult for them to raise so much money at a high interest rate. Therefore, they look for alternatives.

In order to lend teeth to their equipment suppliers, Chinese banks have stepped in to lend to Indian power sector majors. Last December, Reliance Power struck a deal for $1.1 billion (Rs. 5,000 crore) in loans from three Chinese banks — Bank of China, China Development Bank and the Export Import Bank of China — and the loans are tied to procuring equipment from Chinese companies. Lanco Infratech decided to tie up around $2.64 billion (Rs. 12,000 crore) from Chinese lenders.

An executive with a well-known power utility said there is a big difference in the rate of interest charged by Indian and Chinese banks. While Indian banks charge around 10 to 13 percent interest on loans, Chinese banks charge only 4 to 6 percent.

These deals have set alarm bells ringing among the policy-making circles in the power sector. “There has to be some monitoring of these financing deals. As of now, the whole system is geared in favour of the Chinese as there is no quality control in bidding and with Chinese lending, there would be an increase in companies buying Chinese products,” says T.C. Arora, senior vice president, Astonfield Renewable.

BHEL chairman B.P. Rao had earlier urged the central government to impose a customs duty on Chinese imports. The Planning Commission has also prepared a report — which is awaiting Cabinet approval — on imposing duties.

The industry association Assocham has put its own spin on the issue. It said last year that power plant equipment worth around 50,000 MW capacity was ordered by Indian power producers from Chinese suppliers, resulting in a loss of about Rs 50,000 crore to the domestic equipment manufacturing market.

The Issue of Quality
Red flags have also been raised over the issue of quality in the past three years after a series of incidents at plants using equipment from Chinese suppliers.

Insiders in the power industry say that at least six plants that were set up with Chinese technology have faced critical problems in the past three years. These plants include the Sagardighi Thermal Power Plant set up by the West Bengal Power Development Corporation Limited, the Durgapur Thermal Power project and the Yamunanagar plant of the Haryana Power Generation Company Ltd (HPGCL).

A site inspection report by the Central Electricity Authority in 2008 at Sagardighi showed that the turbine rotor had failed when the plant was running on full load and found problems with piping systems in the boiler. The inspection team found inefficiencies in the Yamunanagar and Durgapur projects as well. The Chinese vendor, Dongfang, which supplied equipment to two of these projects, denied there was anything wrong with its parts while a senior HPGCL official refused comment.

So why are Indian promoters not running away from Chinese suppliers?

“It is not that the Indian industry is unaware of the criticism against Chinese products. But the problem is that the entire focus of tendering in India today is on being competitive. There has to be some sort of techno-commercial evaluation built into the system to ensure that sub-standard
equipment is not used,” says professor A.G. Iyer.

An analyst with a multilateral agency says the hype about Chinese banks lending to Indian power sector companies hinged on the fact that the lenders were ‘Chinese’. “The OECD countries also have some form of export financing. Really, the market should be allowed to decide from where you need to import or get financing,” he said.

Also, some companies don’t buy the accusation that the Chinese are selling sub-standard goods. “By 2015, half our power equipment will be sourced from the Chinese,” says Prakash Vaid, senior vice president at Lanco. That Chinese equipment is of bad quality is a myth, he says. “If we buy any longer from GE or Alstom, the project will just not be viable. With Indian suppliers, while the project will be viable, delivery schedule is a problem.”

According to Li Qi, chief representative of Dongfang Electric Corporation in India, the company did not enjoy an undue price advantage compared to Indian companies like BHEL. “The only advantage that we have is on the delivery schedule, which makes the projects that use our equipment more viable.” This year, the total capacity of Dongfang in China will increase from 37 GW to 42 GW, “which makes us the largest power equipment manufacturer in China and possibly in the world.”

Despite the criticism on the lack of quality control, the Chinese vendors have their hands full in India. The three principal Chinese suppliers, Dongfang, Shanghai Electric Corporation and Harbin, account for 18 projects for which equipment was ordered between 2004 and 2007.

An executive with a company in talks with Chinese banks said it was not correct to assume that they chose Chinese equipment only because it was cheap. Stricter adherence to deadlines and the delivery schedule is also a factor in companies giving orders to Chinese manufacturers. “It is unfortunate that we have a belief that anything with a ‘made in China’ tag has to bad. It is not so,” the executive said.

What Ails BHEL?
A report published by Bank of America and Merrill Lynch this January says that one of the serious risks faced by Indian power equipment maker BHEL is that of Chinese companies undercutting them. A cost comparison in the study suggests that an average Chinese vendor’s pricing for a BTG (Boiler Turbine Generator) would be around Rs. 1.6 crore per MW. The same would cost around Rs. 2.6 crore per MW if it were to be supplied by BHEL. Lower interest rates in China substantially contribute to the ability of Chinese companies to maintain low rates.

BHEL’s main problem was its low capacity that leads to huge delivery delays. In 2003, for instance, it had a capacity of 5,000 MW annually while the domestic market, which was opening up, needed 8,000 MW. A delay of, say, six months to a year, can add at least 10 percent to costs. If an equipment costs Rs 4.5 crore per MW, its cost can go up by at least Rs 45 lakh.

This and the fact that Chinese equipment was cheaper, saw Reliance venturing out in 2005-06.

However, the customer loses the price advantage when taking into account the life-cycle cost of the equipment made in China. The Bank of America and Merrill Lynch report says that equipment supplied by BHEL is superior to Chinese products after accounting for parameters such as auxiliary consumption, heat rate, plant load factor and metallurgy.

Auxillary consumption accounts for the energy used by auxiliaries such as cooling towers, while heat rate measures the ability of a machine to convert heat into power.

Plant load factor refers to the ability of a plant to perform to its rated capacity.

“The technical and commercial superiority of BHEL plants leads to its customer deriving 10 percent higher free cash-flow to equity (FCFE) when compared with a Chinese power plant even after factoring-in lower funding cost of Chinese plants from China EXIM,” says the study, which primarily focuses on BHEL.

Taking On the Competition
While the government decides on a policy regarding the import of Chinese power manufacturing equipment, BHEL has come up with a two-pronged strategy to take on the Chinese with their own rules of the game.

BHEL wants to use its cash surplus of nearly Rs. 10,000 crore to set up a new subsidiary that will function as its financing arm for power projects. The next board meeting will take up the report that is being prepared by its advisor Crisil on the road map for the new unit. With more than 70 per cent of its revenues coming from the power sector, the new unit is seen as an integral part of the public sector company’s strategy to see off competition from Chinese suppliers and its domestic peers.

“As financing has been a problem for power generation companies, forcing them to approach Chinese banks, a power financing firm will at least partly cater to this need. In the process, we also make sure that we get access to equipment orders,” says a company official on conditions of anonymity. So, while financing a power company’s project, BHEL will make sure its clients also make it the preferred supplier for power projects.
The other step is to try and expand its order book, BHEL has also been forming joint ventures with state utilities to set up and operate super critical thermal power plant. Like in the case of the financing arm, this move will again partly alter the profile of the public sector giant, which has focused on manufacturing so far.

BHEL has already set up JVs with the governments of Madhya Pradesh, Tamil Nadu and Karnataka to build power plants. Here again, BHEL becomes the preferred supplier of power equipments for these projects. Officials say that the company is in talks with other state governments including those of Andhra Pradesh, Kerala and Maharashtra for similar ventures.

The fight has just begun.

This article appeared in Forbes India Magazine of 06 May, 2011

_______________________________________________________________________

India to buy $7B of power plant equipment from China


In a major boost to bilateral trade between two of Asia's largest emerging economies, Chinese companies are executing orders worth $7 billion for power plant equipment for upcoming projects in India.

According to Lloyds Register Quality Assurance (Surrey, United Kingdom), a leading provider of business assurance and compliance certification, Chinese companies are manufacturing power equipment such as turbines, boilers and generators that will be used to produce nearly 22,000 megawatts (MW) of electricity in plants across India.

Major Chinese suppliers include Dongfang Electric Corporation Limited (Chengdu, Sichuan province), Shanghai Electric Group Company Limited (Shanghai), and Harbin Power Equipment Company Limited (Harbin, Heilongjiang province). Indian buyers mainly include key firms in the power sector, such as Jindal Steel and Power Limited (Hisar, Haryana), the Adani Group (Ahmedabad, Gujarat), Essar Group (Mumbai), KSK Energy Ventures Limited (Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh), JSW Energy Limited (Bellary, Karnataka), and Reliance Industries Limited (Mumbai).

India is currently experiencing a power deficit of about 9 percent to 13 percent. In order to meet the country's soaring demand for electricity, India's government plans to build power plants capable of generating 92,000 MW as part of the ongoing Eleventh Five-Year Plan period, 2007-2012. This ambitious target is set to increase the country's total power generation capacity to about 237,554.97 MW by 2012.

Key domestic companies, such as Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BSE:500103) (New Delhi), India's largest equipment manufacturer and engineering company in the power sector, lack the infrastructure required to supply plant equipment for India to attain its proposed target. BHEL currently has a capacity to produce only 10,000 MW per year of power equipment, forcing Indian companies to turn to China to fulfilling demands.

The Chinese companies will bridge the gap by supplying nearly 23 percent of the required equipment. A comparatively faster turnaround time for delivering equipment at significantly lower prices is an important factor that works in favor of the Chinese firms. They are capable of supplying equipment for a 4,000 MW plant in 18 months, which is 30 percent faster compared to domestic companies. The manufacturing capacity of Dongfang Electric, for instance, is 20,000 MW, which is twice that of BHEL. Chinese suppliers have also consistently been cost effective, quoting prices that are 10 percent to 12 percent lower than the best offer from BHEL.

Chinese companies have been steadily securing orders from Indian power companies despite problems being reported over installations in some power plants. The firms had come under the scrutiny of the Central Electricity Authority (New Delhi), the Indian government's statutory organization for regulating the power sector, which performed a complete audit of the equipment supplied and released a set of recommendations for future supplies. However, the Chinese firms have rebutted claims of inferior quality of their equipment, as no major failure has been reported since the incident of faulty turbines at West Bengal Power Development Corporation Limited's 300 MW Sagardighi project last year.


Okay, so you have copied two articles here..

The first one talks about market competition that BHEL has to face due to influx new players in the market, some of them are Indian and some are Chinese. So what's new ? Privatization has brought better management and competitiveness in industrial sector and globalization has aided the process of transition. And NTPC, as a power generation company will tremendously benefit from this, because, now it'll have more than one suppliers who will fight for the tender, resulting in lower prices and better quality.

The second article says, India is buying some Chinese equipment, and you are drawing the conclusion that since some Indian company is buying some equipment from some Chinese company, hence all India does not have the capability for the same.
Let me tell you, this is not exactly like buying an ice-cream from the parlour. It's a globalized market and not a socialist one. It's a fair playground where tenders are floated and whenever a buyer and a seller find a common ground, a deal is struck. If there is no red tape involved, things fall in place and everybody is happy.

There can be multiple reasons why some Indian company is buying from a foreign company. Do you know what the equipment is ? May be it's a specific equipment that, say some 10 company specialises in making, out of which 5 will be able to cater the demand, out of which 3 will be able to meet the proposed deadline and 1 gives the best price.
Now, does that mean the 9 other companies went out of business ? No, they went on to strike some other deals :lol::lol:

Take the example of F-22 fighter aircraft or Boeing 747 jumbo jet. The equipments are supplied by companies spread in 10 different countries.

It's just a verbose gibberish, does not mean a thing.. Where is the conclusive point ?
 
Okay, so you have copied two articles here..

The first one talks about market competition that BHEL has to face due to influx new players in the market, some of them are Indian and some are Chinese. So what's new ? Privatization has brought better management and competitiveness in industrial sector and globalization has aided the process of transition. And NTPC, as a power generation company will tremendously benefit from this, because, now it'll have more than one suppliers who will fight for the tender, resulting in lower prices and better quality.

The second article says, India is buying some Chinese equipment, and you are drawing the conclusion that since some Indian company is buying some equipment from some Chinese company, hence all India does not have the capability for the same.
Let me tell you, this is not exactly like buying an ice-cream from the parlour. It's a globalized market and not a socialist one. It's a fair playground where tenders are floated and whenever a buyer and a seller find a common ground, a deal is struck. If there is no red tape involved, things fall in place and everybody is happy.

There can be multiple reasons why some Indian company is buying from a foreign company. Do you know what the equipment is ? May be it's a specific equipment that, say some 10 company specialises in making, out of which 5 will be able to cater the demand, out of which 3 will be able to meet the proposed deadline and 1 gives the best price.
Now, does that mean the 9 other companies went out of business ? No, they went on to strike some other deals :lol::lol:

Take the example of F-22 fighter aircraft or Boeing 747 jumbo jet. The equipments are supplied by companies spread in 10 different countries.

It's just a verbose gibberish, does not mean a thing.. Where is the conclusive point ?

You did not read the two articles in detail. And you may be unwittingly muddying the waters. The points are -
  1. BHEL and NTPC are not competitive price-wise with Chinese suppliers at the lower end of market. We are not tallking ABB, GE and ALSTOM here - but the lower end.
  2. Chinese suppliers like DongFang, Harbin can supply on time - or ahead of time, BHEL can't. Schedule delay is a big issue with BHEL. Costing more money
  3. Indian bank loan terms are 12~14% whereas Chinese banks are lending at 5~6%. This is significantly more expensive.
  4. Because of being spoiled by a longtime captive market, BHEL and NTPC cannot compete even within their own country. Their inbuilt inefficiencies are too high now. Typical of State-run fat-cat bureaucracies. The opposite of a lean, mean market-savvy company.
  5. BHEL is urging the Indian Govt. (Electric regulatory bodies) to impose duty on Chinese Powerplant imports, which it did. Even with this non-tarriff extra protection, BHEL cannot compete.
  6. BHEL is still not chosen as supplier by LANCO, ADANI and all other private Indian power companies because they know how BHEL will perform during a project.
  7. BHEL mgmt. got so upset they sent a team to China to explore how Chinese can make equipment so fast. they found that Chinese power generation components industry (Boiler, Turbine and Generator manufacturers) is several magnitudes bigger than India and is way more efficient.
  8. The basic equipment being discussed is not really high tech, talking steam turbines powered by coal-fired boilers. However the control electronics (SCADA etc.) maybe more modern. Which is supplied by companies like Siemens or ABB anyway. Most powerplants in India are fired by coal.
  9. Bangladesh does not plan to adopt Indian coal-fired powerplant because better (environmentally friendlier) Japanese alternative is available. Maybe more money but lowest bid is not always the best option.
  10. Bangladesh' options are Japanese equipment like Hitachi, IHI, Mitsui or if too expensive then go with Chinese.
  11. So - more expensive but worse performing - this is the sum total of BHEL and NTPC.
  12. If BHEL and NTPC is rejected by all large scale Indian private sector electric producers within their own border (for these sensible reasons above) then why should a country like Bangladesh buy BHEL equipment? Our experience is not good with it. Does not make sense...

Good point there ! It is high time we come up with our own source of finance for such projects. We do have a budget of around 3 friggin lac crores coupled up with a massive foreign reserve of over 25bil USD.

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Coal is among the cheapest solution and even developed countries like USA is leaning on it. Surely we would follow their footstep :P ... but how can we ensure our ecology gets least affected ? ... the whole country is prone to flood and we do not have the infrastructure nor the luxury to transport imported coal further inland (or do we ?)

You don't have to carry coal inland. Coal can be converted to electricity at the unloading port and electricity is a lot lighter than coal to carry. :-)
 
Gee...do we instead have to depend on smaller private sector power plants to meet the demand? I'm not even sure if borrowing funds from abroad for those things is even a sustainable idea.

There's money and opportunity lying around in Bangladesh. Our policies aren't formulated properly to utilize them effectively.

Summit attracts foreign investment
Finance Director Ayesha Aziz Khan calls for policies to bring banks' idle money into good investment


Md Fazlur Rahman

SUMMIT Group has attained the ability to finance billion-dollar projects thanks to its goodwill in implementing successful ventures, wooing global investors to team up with the company to tap opportunities in Bangladesh, said a top official.

Ayesha Aziz Khan, finance director of Summit, said foreign investors are keen on investing in the company's Bibiyana II and Meghnaghat power projects.

“They have also offered to invest more than $400 million in equity in future Summit projects,” she told The Daily Star in an interview.

Her comments came as the 340-megawatt Meghnaghat plant in Narayanganj started producing power commercially for the national grid.

Also, the simple cycle part of the Bibiyana II project in Habiganj is producing 210MW on a test run basis and it will start to supply electricity on a commercial basis within a month.

The two developments will take the total power generated by Summit to 1,260MW, making the company the largest power producer in the private sector.

For the Meghnaghat project costing $319 million, Summit received long-term loans of $190 million from Standard Chartered, DEG of Germany, FMO of the Netherlands, Opec Fund for Industrial Development of Austria, CDC Group of the UK, OeEB (Development Bank of Austria), Belgian Investment Company for Developing Countries, and Infrastructure Development Company Ltd of Bangladesh.

Summit's equity investment of $117.6 million in this project also makes it the single largest investor in a project by a local company.

The Bibiyana II 341MW gas-fired power plant, one of the largest independent power projects in Bangladesh, has received financing of $210 million from International Finance Corporation, Asian Development Bank and Islamic Development Bank.

Summit Industrial and Mercantile Corporation Ltd (SIMCL) owns 80 percent of this project and the rest 20 percent is owned by US conglomerate General Electric.

“Our balance sheet is very strong, helping to attract large amounts of equity investment from external sources,” said Khan.

Summit, with more than 25 years of experience, is a group of companies owned by SIMCL. Its investments are diversified across power, energy trading, port, telecoms, hospitality and real estate. The power sector accounts for 70 percent of its net revenue and 85 percent of net profits.

Khan said Summit borrowed from outside as local banks cannot lend a huge sum of money for long periods, despite sitting on huge liquidity.

“We just need to find ways to structure our policies and help the liquidity come to good investors and quality investment, such as in infrastructure.”

The government can provide some freedom to local companies so they can invest outside the country where opportunities are aplenty, said Khan.

The securities regulators must help all investors, small and large, feel comfortable to invest, she added.

“Because of a lack of a vibrant stockmarket, people are investing in unproductive sectors such as land, property and savings instruments. We don't have adequate opportunities to invest.”

Summit would continue to do business in physical infrastructure development, she said.

The company is interested in investing in hydropower projects in Bhutan and bringing electricity to Bangladesh, but to make the plan a reality, agreements have to be signed between Bangladesh, Bhutan and India, as Dhaka would have to use the land in New Delhi to import power from Thimphu, Khan said.

The company also plans to set up coal-based power plants. “Summit is committed to meeting the infrastructural needs of the country.”

Bangladesh suffers from infrastructure bottlenecks, but these bottlenecks offer tremendous opportunities to companies willing to invest in infrastructure, Khan said.

“We have scope for investment in the areas of transport, energy and power, healthcare and education. The return is very good in these areas.”

Khan said the stockmarket, which has been in the doldrums for the last four-five years, has to be flourished to finance large projects.

“If investors can't borrow money from the capital market, large projects in Bangladesh will either not happen or they will have to go for foreign sources.”

The capital market regulators need to think about how to improve the market scenario so local companies can borrow locally, she said. “Besides, big business houses also need to trust the capital market to get the capital.”

Summit raised $600 million from international markets for the power sector in the last five years. “This is an extraordinary achievement for Summit and Bangladesh. But I would have been happier if I could raise $100 million from the domestic capital market,” said Khan.

The country should support local investors the way it supports foreign ones, said Khan, who graduated in economics and business from University College London, UK, and did her master's degree in business administration from Columbia University, USA.

“We can't give better treatment to foreigners compared to domestic investors. There are specific laws to protect the interest of foreign investors, but there are no such protections for local investors. The country should give me the same encouragement because Bangladesh is the only place where I can invest, as we are not allowed to invest outside the country.”

Bangladesh offers the most liberal foreign direct investment regime in South Asia, allowing 100 percent foreign ownership with an unrestricted exit policy, easy remittance of royalties and repatriation of profits and incomes. The country also offers a number of export-oriented industrial zones with infrastructural facilities and logistical support for the foreign investors.

“If local investors are given the same privileges, Bangladeshis would be investing more and more in the country,” said Khan.

Money flowing to the country in the form of remittance has to be brought into investment as well, she added. “The beneficiaries of remittance don't have the opportunities to invest their money.”

In Bangladesh, 84 percent of remittance is consumed, and only 14 percent is saved, according to the Asian Development Bank.

Like Bangladesh, a lot of Filipinos also live outside the country and send billions of dollars home, Khan said. “But the Philippines created big infrastructure funds for the migrant workers to participate in. They can invest as little as $100. These funds are used to finance large infrastructure projects, whose profits directly go the shareholders.”

She hopes the government would award more contracts to set up large power projects as the need for power in the country is huge.

“If the government does not award some large power plant projects, there will be a shortage of electricity within the next four years as demand is increasing fast. Then the country will have to go for small power plants to meet the demand.”

About 65 percent of the country's population has access to the national grid, even though it produces 7,500MW of electricity on average; the current average production capacity falls far short of its demand for 10,000MW.

Khan said local companies should also be allowed to invest outside the country so they can grow. “Foreign companies are doing good business in Bangladesh and are growing. We can do the same.”

“The government can tag conditions that the money to be invested outside and the dividends to be declared have to be brought back to Bangladesh. Companies don't have problems with that.”

Under its corporate social responsibility, Summit supports SEID Trust to help them run two schools for autistic children, and Friendship, an NGO, to provide solar power to people living in char lands.

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Source:Summit attracts foreign investment | The Daily Star

 
You don't have to carry coal inland. Coal can be converted to electricity at the unloading port and electricity is a lot lighter than coal to carry. :-)

I mentioned it while talking about the concerns of environmental impacts of coal based thermal powerplants. Most of the locations near the shore of our country are ecologically vulnerable.

The whole point of this thread is about not producing electricity near the UNLOADIND DOCK. Its too near the Sunderbans‚ which is why the French denied loans in the first place.
 
I mentioned it while talking about the concerns of environmental impacts of coal based thermal powerplants. Most of the locations near the shore of our country are ecologically vulnerable.

The whole point of this thread is about not producing electricity near the UNLOADIND DOCK. Its too near the Sunderbans‚ which is why the French denied loans in the first place.

You are right - I wasn't thinking along those lines. For that matter - Matarbari has ecological issues too. But they can be addressed by employing ecologists and WWF consultants. There has to be a win-win. And Matarbari is a better location.

I have seen powerplants in remote locations where they even chill the discharge water so fish and sea life don't have adverse effects.
 
We'd rather use Chinese technology if we want to save a few bucks and then deal with the problems after commissioning which is rather foolish. Cheap is as cheap does.

Chinese technology is extremely environment-friendly as those technologies keep the plant non-operational for most of the time. Bangladesh should go for it. :whistle:
 
Okay. That means we the people of Khulna will always be behind in every development because of environment issues? And on the other side of the border some km away we will see a thriving rich city even better than Dhaka? And we Khulna people have no rights to say for ourselves and all other northern people will decide everything for us. Will the world powers give us place when Khulna along with Sunderban will go down to sea due to global warming? Who asked us? Why every kinds of mulling on our behalf? Mulling with Padma bridge and not functioning Mongla.
 
Okay. That means we the people of Khulna will always be behind in every development because of environment issues? And on the other side of the border some km away we will see a thriving rich city even better than Dhaka? And we Khulna people have no rights to say for ourselves and all other northern people will decide everything for us. Will the world powers give us place when Khulna along with Sunderban will go down to sea due to global warming? Who asked us? Why every kinds of mulling on our behalf? Mulling with Padma bridge and not functioning Mongla.

Leave them and join us brother! :D
 
Leave them and join us brother! :D

Somebody might say. Bangladesh is ruled by Gopalis. And they have no rights to say for themselves. And that Gopalganj is some km away from us in North.
 

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