Electricity should be sold at a different price in Lahore and Peshawar: Taimur Khan Jhagra

[hydrabadi_arab]

Electricity produced per province. Another lie by pashtuni nationalists busted.

 

[Jango]

Electricity produced per province. Another lie by pashtuni nationalists busted.

What lie?

 

[ziaulislam]

Electricity produced per province. Another lie by pashtuni nationalists busted.

It's very fair to add 1400 mw of ghazi brothra project into punjab when 80% population effected and area is in KP??

Same way it's unfair to given half of bhasha dam rights to KP when it's in bhasha

Is it fair to give mangla rights to punjab when it's in Kashmir

Thanks for posting why minority provinces have beef with punjab this post is golden example of that

Probably the reason why kalabagh dam won't be build as well if all the rights go to punjab with a significant population effected in KP


Lastly what's your point??
Weird is why we are comparing 20,000 gw of production of cheap 3 rs power with 40rs power generation??

Electricity produced per province. Another lie by pashtuni nationalists busted.

What lie?

That mangla dam and ghazi brotha are in Kashmir and KP

Pakistan nothing happens with common sense

The bigger mafia simply abuses the other


Be it punjab with respect to mangla and ghazi brotha(taking all)

Or KP with future bhasha dam (taking half even though only a small area is effected, though atleast that happened with a fair negotiation)

If u want power not to be provincial topic and want to keep it in concurrent list

Then atleast pay the hydro production loyalities

And stop telling minorities provinces that they don't deserve the resources being distributed based upon population (basically stating you are lesser humans)

If even simply common sense society contract doesn't work for you then call it a day

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

It's very fair to add 1400 mw of ghazi brothra project into punjab when 80% population effected and area is in KP??

Same way it's unfair to given half of bhasha dam rights to KP when it's in bhasha

Is it fair to give mangla rights to punjab when it's in Kashmir

Thanks for posting why minority provinces have beef with punjab this post is golden example of that

Probably the reason why kalabagh dam won't be build as well if all the rights go to punjab with a significant population effected in KP


Lastly what's your point??
Weird is why we are comparing 20,000 gw of production of cheap 3 rs power with 40rs power generation??

What are you talking about? Ghazi barotha is punjab dam, Mangla is in AJK. Check graph again. Only about half of hydel electricity is generated by KP. And that too just make 12% of overall electricity generated by Pakistan.

How can this be justification of theft by pathans is byond me. Especially when Hazara where Tarbela dam is located isn't even pathan area but hinko. There is also huge theft going on in Sindh and Balochistan, both generate 0 electricity from dams. But its only pathan nationalists who become defensive and justify their theft by using dams.

Hydel elec is cheap but building dams isn't. Is like nuclear plant that generate power rs 1 per unit but you need billions of dollars to build it. So your point again make little sense.

 

[ziaulislam]

What are you talking about? Ghazi barotha is punjab dam, Mangla is in AJK. Check graph again. Only about half of hydel electricity is generated by KP. And that too just make 12% of overall electricity generated by Pakistan.

How can this be justification of theft by pathans is byond me. Especially when Hazara where Tarbela dam is located isn't even pathan area but hinko. There is also huge theft going on in Sindh and Balochistan, both generate 0 electricity from dams. But its only pathan nationalists who become defensive and justify their theft by using dams.

Hydel elec is cheap but building dams isn't. Is like nuclear plant that generate power rs 1 per unit but you need billions of dollars to build it. So your point again make little sense.

Yes exactly

But their production is considered in punjab

Ho do u think punjab got half of the 40% production

Through fair and logical means ? Lol

If they could devise a method they would have for tarbela to be in punjab too

You tend to IGNOTE WHAT I AM SAYING DELIBERATELY


BUILDING DAMS IS VERY CHEAP IF BUILD VIA WB AB AND AIIB


NONE OF PAKISTAN DAMS HAVE EVERB BEEN BUILT VIA NATIONAL FUNDS

So No it's cheap if sponsored

tarbela V for example DIDNT COST THE GOVT A PENNY..NOT EVEN A PENNY

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Yes exactly

But their production is considered in punjab

Ho do u think punjab got half of the 40% production

Through fair and logical means ? Lol

If they could devise a method they would have for tarbela to be in punjab too

You tend to IGNOTE WHAT I AM SAYING DELIBERATELY


BUILDING DAMS IS VERY CHEAP IF BUILD VIA WB AB AND AIIB


NONE OF PAKISTAN DAMS HAVE EVERB BEEN BUILT VIA NATIONAL FUNDS

So No it's cheap if sponsored

tarbela V for example DIDNT COST THE GOVT A PENNY..NOT EVEN A PENNY

Some part of Ghazi may have ended in KP. Like some parts of AJK dams end up in Punjab including Mangla dam.

In either case you cannot justify theft by just having dams that produce 12% of Pakistan electricity. Tarbela dam was build on a loan after 1960 indus treaty, how it was cheap?

Dasu dam is being build on more or less same deal. Now no one in KP including nationalists oppose it. Once build with $9 billion it will provide free cash to KP govt. Despite that in few years when it start generating electricity you will see same arguments.

If Tarbela is bad deal then why Dasu dam is being allowed to build? Mohmand dam? Stop this topi drama of victim complex.

 

[ghazi52]

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[RoadRunner401]

Let's see how fair the system is made by @muhammadhafeezmalik employers

Generals; pay million plus rupees per month.
Free electricity
Free houses
Free servants
Free car
Heavily subsidized groceries
Free medical plus medicine
Free petrol plus free natural gas

Politicians; income in Millions
Free electricity
Free House's
Free servants
Free cars
Free security
Free medical plus drugs
Free petrol plus free natural gas

Judges ; Million plus month in pay
Free electricity
Free houses
Free servants
Free security
Free cars
Free petrol plus natural gas

Above perks continue after retirement not to mention they get jobs in crown corporations after retirement drawing pay checks plus retirement benefits

These are the same perks for other government employees grade 19 and above

Average pakistani making 30,000 Pkr are told to pay 50,000 For electricity for few units plus no medical no security no education.

We have PDM supporters here claiming How ridiculous people of Pakistan are that don't want to pay their bills.

 

[Neelo]

Caretaker govt should focus on ensuring free and fair elections, and leave policy decisions to those with a mandate from the people as they have the only right to decide what's good for the people and the nation.

This.

The junta and its caretaker government along with its paid propaganda jiglos like @FOOLS_NIGHTMARE and this clown @muhammadhafeezmalik want this “caretaker“ setup to remain for as long as possible.

 

[ziaulislam]

Some part of Ghazi may have ended in KP. Like some parts of AJK dams end up in Punjab including Mangla dam.

In either case you cannot justify theft by just having dams that produce 12% of Pakistan electricity. Tarbela dam was build on a loan after 1960 indus treaty, how it was cheap?

Dasu dam is being build on more or less same deal. Now no one in KP including nationalists oppose it. Once build with $9 billion it will provide free cash to KP govt. Despite that in few years when it start generating electricity you will see same arguments.

If Tarbela is bad deal then why Dasu dam is being allowed to build? Mohmand dam? Stop this topi drama of victim complex.

Jhagara says energy prices should be different in each province, because that's how it's in every federation be it USA OR CANADA OR BRITAIN

You say it shouldn't be..

So you shouldn't say energy prices should be different you should say Pakistan shouldbt have a federation (and no even in other countries massive hydro were made by the central govt still there control lies with provinces)

The whole problem with your discussion is misdirection

What a foreign educated and traines guy is telling you is NORM IN THE WORLD

Now doesn't matter what you think or whatever you bring to the topic..

IT DOENST WORK LIKE PAKISTAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD

Again keep ignoring what I am saying
Everyone knows the building model of tarbela dam
WB provides cheap financing you pay off it in 20 yrs when electricity is at 5cents and then drops to 2 cent since project is paid off..same model will apply to dasu project

Everyone knows this. Even the cat sitting outside knows this.

Provinces will gladly finance any project if the centers allows it..center won't allow it .. everyone knows this as well !!

 

[ziaulislam]

Why would center not allow it? Because hydro is natural resource and center doesn't want follow the world norms and doesn't want to share resources with the provinces creating it

Hence why KP gets no preferential treatment for its natural resources which is completely AGAINST THE WORLD NORMs

Alberta will have cheaper oil and gas price ..why because it's creating it..some provinces will have cheaper hydro

Other will have cheaper FOOD

In pakistan when it comes to gas and electricity it doesn't apply ?! But it does apply to food prices

For an outsider it's pretty obvious..what ever is Produced in punjab is cheaper in punjab

Whatever is produced outside of punjab is similar in price every where

Those who control resources will never agree to this..

All you can do is tell them this

"IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD"

"IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD"

"IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD"

"IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD"

"IT DOESN'T WORK LIKE THIS ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD"


There response

"BUT..."

"BUT...."


"BUT...."


END RESULT:

mujeeb ur rehman puts in 6 points and we have a disaster on our hands

 

[TheSolution]

Jhagra sahab is partly right. the solution lies somewhere in between.

KP should have power over water, but electricity from federal funded schemes are not KPK's to begin with. as even the land for power plant is bought at market rate. it belongs to the federal govt or whoever the investor is now. same goes for gas. this BS about profit payments needs to end, as they already receive royalty for practically doing nothing. the provincial govt can use its funds to buy a stake into the plant. and then it can claim profit payments. same goes for all provinces.

as for provincially funded schemes, then yes, they should receive it first. once their need is satisfied only then should it be transferred to national grid.

Finally, DISCOs must be privatized.

Wasn't the water itself routed from one of the rivers in Punjab?

How is that KPs?

 

[ziaulislam]

Wasn't the water itself routed from one of the rivers in Punjab?

How is that KPs?

No idea what you talking about!

Should be based upon area effected not location of power house as it's Great injustice to people of Kashmir especially

Whole mangla is in kashmir but power house is located in punjab

 

[Mirzali Khan]

How is that KPs?

The argument is that it affected people from KPK the most. As usual if we had a competent gov we wouldn't be having these issues and things would go more smoothly.

There's also massive electricity theft in Sindh and Balochistan, which I have no idea which country's government lets that happen.

From The Third Pole:

Tarbela dam and community impacts

But a deeper look at Tarbela 5 shows a landscape and community that have suffered extreme harms that have not yet been righted. Tens of thousands of people were displaced between the 1960s and 1990s by two mega-hydropower projects, Tarbela and Gazi Brarotha. Most were subsistence farmers and fisher people. Tarbela alone submerged 120 villages. A case study for the World Commission on Dams documented significant problems with the resettlement of these affected people. To this day many thousands of families remain impoverished and are still seeking fair compensation and redress for their losses.

Learning hard lessons: AIIB and the Tarbela dam in Pakistan | The Third Pole

Naeem Ipbal explores what lessons can be learnt from a project aimed at increasing the Tarbela dam on the Indus River.

www.thethirdpole.net

 

[TheSolution]

No idea what you talking about!

Should be based upon area effected not location of power house as it's Great injustice to people of Kashmir especially

Whole mangla is in kashmir but power house is located in punjab

I know that's where I'm from personally...