16 Refuelers in Paf modernization plan ?

[Mani2020]

While googling i found an article named as " Future Plan" it was an intresting read.In that article it is written that PAF will buy 16 refuelers as per modernization plan


Here is a link of that

http://www.pakistanmilitary.110mb.com/fpfpaf.htm

 

[M8R]

BS = 16 Refuelers =2 Escorts each = that would mean PAF would have to assign 32 jets just for escort.4 are more then enough.

 

[untitled]

it is surprising we are just learning to refuel are aircraft in mid air now.... well better late than never

 

[rohailmalhi]

While googling i found an article named as " Future Plan" it was an intresting read.In that article it is written that PAF will buy 16 refuelers as per modernization plan


Here is a link of that

http://www.pakistanmilitary.110mb.com/fpfpaf.htm

No way PAF is going to get so much refuelers . We dont need so many . and the reason given by ☪☪☪☪ is also valid in this case.

i dont see the source as authentic .

 

[mjnaushad]

While googling i found an article named as " Future Plan" it was an intresting read.In that article it is written that PAF will buy 16 refuelers as per modernization plan


Here is a link of that

http://www.pakistanmilitary.110mb.com/fpfpaf.htm

Come on man....Look at the source....its 110MB.com .looks like a free hosting site...

 

[Dash]

what will you do with 16 refuellers? refuellers are for strategic reach for ACs. This seems very high for Pak AF..

 

[maverick1977]

Why do i think that 16 refuelers can give PAF a huge inter continental targeting operation for threats which it might deem critical. for instance. getting to isreal and back.

For that PAF needs to go around 4000 miles and back and refulers is the only way for PAF to strike israel and back, get around Standoff range fire, ALCM and call it a day....... That ofcourse will be a retaliatory strike, after all Pakistan had credible intelligence that isreali planes are in for a strike on its nuclear reactors......


PAF needs two refuelers locations for that operation, once off coast of Oman, other around Gulf of Aden over red sea and back.. thats international water route where PAF is not accountable to any nation...

 

[Comet]

16 refuelers??is it kinda over for a nation like Pakistan...

PS:take it in a good sense ok.I dont mean because you are poor and receive aid..its just 16 air refuellers seems too much to me because of the Geography..

You had to mention that, right?


It is not suppose to be your business, try to avoid it, just for a change.

 

[Mani2020]

I dont know much about the source but getting 16 refuelers is not a foolish thing as u all think.I have two reasons for that

One
India has deep strike fighters like su-30mki which can go deep in enemy's territory and perform bombing raids while PAF dont have any such deep strike fighter for that PAF is planning to induct more refuelers

Just put it in a way that in case of any war with india PAF have to strike and strike deep in india as most of indian nuclear installations are deep inside india and there many and main bases too will be deep inside and for that purpose just 4 refuelers cant serve the purpose as PAF will have ~500 fighter jets and 4 refuelers can utmost refuel 5 jets in one sortie and then the refuelers have to come back got filled and then take off so it will require a lot of time and you cant do deep strikes with handful of aircrafts in enemy like india which has bigger airforce .For that such number of refuelers (i.e 16 ) serve purpose


Second
We all know that f-16's will form our backbone along with j-10's and they will be one of our main stay and for main stay aircrafts u must need refuelers and as we all know il-78 cant refuel f-16's as they require boom refueling so for our planned inventory of ~100 f-16's we also need boom refuelers somewhat around 3 and there were also news that PAF was negotiating for Airbus-310 MRTT as well as KC-135


So its not surprising for me

 

[fanna4paf1]

wwaaahoooooooooooooooooo its a good news


i think we just fly refuelers on spece and give rest to fighter

yar chota se pakistan hai koi taaras kaho iss per 8 to 10 will full ful our need

 

[Dash]

I dont know much about the source but getting 16 refuelers is not a foolish thing as u all think.I have two reasons for that

One
India has deep strike fighters like su-30mki which can go deep in enemy's territory and perform bombing raids while PAF dont have any such deep strike fighter for that PAF is planning to induct more refuelers

Just put it in a way that in case of any war with india PAF have to strike and strike deep in india as most of indian nuclear installations are deep inside india and there many and main bases too will be deep inside and for that purpose just 4 refuelers cant serve the purpose as PAF will have ~500 fighter jets and 4 refuelers can utmost refuel 5 jets in one sortie and then the refuelers have to come back got filled and then take off so it will require a lot of time and you cant do deep strikes with handful of aircrafts in enemy like india which has bigger airforce .For that such number of refuelers (i.e 16 ) serve purpose


Second
We all know that f-16's will form our backbone along with j-10's and they will be one of our main stay and for main stay aircrafts u must need refuelers and as we all know il-78 cant refuel f-16's as they require boom refueling so for our planned inventory of ~100 f-16's we also need boom refuelers somewhat around 3 and there were also news that PAF was negotiating for Airbus-310 MRTT as well as KC-135


So its not surprising for me

Hmm...makes sense though, So if the news is correct and what you are saying if correct then thats gonna cost PAF a lot. I mean we didnt buy Airbus300 for very high price reasons....KC 135 will be good.

Good luck with that.
How many IL76 you have in your invntory now?

 

[Mani2020]

Hmm...makes sense though, So if the news is correct and what you are saying if correct then thats gonna cost PAF a lot. I mean we didnt buy Airbus300 for very high price reasons....KC 135 will be good.

Good luck with that.
How many IL76 you have in your invntory now?

out of 4 il-78 ordered 1 delivered and 3 will be delivered in current year

 

[SQ8]

Btw, has anyone given thought to the possibility that it may be a typo and that is actually 6 refuellers??
If Pakistan plays smart it can request for the newer CFT's with boom extensions which allow for refueling from drogue tankers.
Right now there arent any more funds for more tankers, at least new ones anyway. One idea could be using PIA's fleet upgrade as a piggy back and acquiring the A-310's in PIA service and having them converted to MRTT's as done by the Luftwaffe.

 

[Quwa]

I wouldn't take the '16 refuelling-aircraft' figure seriously...but the number will likely cross the currently set 4 IL-78.

While the IL-78 can work with JF-17, FC-20 and Mirages, their drogue set-up isn't compatible with the F-16 - which forms a substantial portion of the PAF fleet. On the other hand, I don't think it would be financially wise to invest in a boom-only for the F-16s (KC-135), but rather a boom and hose-drogue type such as the A-310 MRTT. I believe the PAF did ask EADS for A-310 MRTT, but EADS responded with an offer for A-330 MRTT - which PAF will likely consider as too expensive. This might change if USAF adopts the KC-45 variant.

The other option is to equip the F-16s with the hose & drogue compatible refuelling pod and that should work fine with the IL-78s. Finally, H Khan mentioned a couple years ago that PAF may acquire another 2 IL-78s.

 

[TOPGUN]

I think 4 IL -78 refuelers as we are getting are fine and 2 other platform type refuelers will do for the f-16's 6 in total are enough for our AF and its size .