If Pakistan and 21 other countries have abolished triple talaq, why can't India?

naveedullahkhankhattak said:

triple talaq is a part of muslims religion what we call islam. no one has the right to interfere in this issue.
what if hindus around the world are not allowed to do eat vegetables without beef meet in it?

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UkroTurk said:

for you women and cows are same!
What a disgusting topic!
We are living in the 21th century.
That's why Muslims can't go further.

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Sir I beg to disagree a bit with U both. The concept of triple talaq does hold but different scholars have different opinion on that. Some say that U can give triple Talaq to a woman in one go and here goes your marriage while there are many others who believe that even if U utter word "Talaq" a thousand time in one go then still its counted as ONE. U both are given sometime that probably U might reconcile and if it does not work then after some specific time U can award another Talaq in same manner and finally a third one after sometime. On the contrary women have the right to ask for "Khulaa" if she does not want to live with any person. See Islam is a balanced Religion and aint irrational but problem is we have made it look like irrational and thats the dilemma that we are not progressing but are using Islam look like that its holding us from progress.

aakash_2410 said:

Such a contradiction in your own post. If they were oppressed/raped, subject to cruelty and humiliation. India's Muslim population wouldn't be flourishing. Despite of what you may think Indian Muslims don't have it too bad. Albeit, shameful incidents of religious clashes takes place here and there. That's human nature though. Even in Muslim countries people fighting over the sect.

And all the major democracies of the world except for India have UCC. Including the one you're living in right now.

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It's not 'few' incidents here and there. Oppression of Muslims in india is systematic and well documented. Just three days ago a Muslim guy was killed by government (Police) just because he protested the beef ban on whatsapp!!

And all indians here were saying "this is india. We'll bury Muslims alive if they protest Hindu culture and laws" etc etc..

And don't give me excuse of "oh population is expanding so how can Muslims be oppressed?" Population of Palestinians are also increasing---would you deny their oppression and humiliation at the hands of Israel as well?!

One of the major reason of Muslim population increasing is because they are kept poor and backward by india. Hence their population increases (as poor and backward people have more kids).

Don't compare your pathetic shit hole of western democracies. You aren't secular but a hindu state. We know that too well. Laws in india are based on hinduism such as ban on beef etc..

KinleyMan said:

This is Rubbish.

Monogamy was always the norm with Hindus with some exceptions. But polygamy was allowed and so was Polyandry. Only the British provided legal cover for polygamy and not polyandry.

Today however the institution of marriage itself has no sanctity in Law since the SC has ordered that even live in couples who are NOT married will enjoy the same legal cover as a married couple.

When the courts have themselves destroyed the institution of marriage, then this whole debate on polygamy is pointless.

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Which part of my post "your highness" find rubbish?

So law provide legal cover to multiple partners in a live in at a time? Or it just quashes the need of having a marriage certificate, or doing a "saat phera" or doing a "Qubool hai" to be called as life partner?

Sanctity of relationship lies in intent and thoughts and not in custom or legal document. SC has just reinforced that.

And please behave in a nice way. My post did not seek your approval or disapproval.

AUz said:

It's not 'few' incidents here and there. Oppression of Muslims in india is systematic and well documented. Just three days ago a Muslim guy was killed by government (Police) just because he protested the beef ban on whatsapp!!

And all indians here were saying "this is india. We'll bury Muslims alive if they protest Hindu culture and laws" etc etc..

And don't give me excuse of "oh population is expanding so how can Muslims be oppressed?" Population of Palestinians are also increasing---would you deny their oppression and humiliation at the hands of Israel as well?!

One of the major reason of Muslim population increasing is because they are kept poor and backward by india. Hence their population increases (as poor and backward people have more kids).

Don't compare your pathetic shit hole of western democracies. You aren't secular but a hindu state. We know that too well. Laws in india are based on hinduism such as ban on beef etc..

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Lol hot potato rumours. Please share the links of these claims.

I remember 2015 Dadri lynching and the whole country went insane. and I doubt there would be virtually no reaction if someone killed for potesting on whatsapp!

Muslims are kept poor? Are you suggesting that there is a conscious effort by the government to deny Muslims an equal opportunity?

But, India doesn't just have Hindu laws, it also has Shariah laws that permits polygamy and triple talaq. That's why I'm arguing in favour of truly secular uniform civil code. Shouldn't you be supporting it?

India is secular by the definition of its' constitution. It is as much of a Hindu state as America is a Christian state. In both the countries there are religious fanatics. According to recent poll 42% of Americans endorse Trump's views so that doesn't make America a far right Christian state. Because constitution is still there in both of these countries to see that everyone gets impartial justice in a court of law including blacks (in case of America) and Muslims (in case of India) no matter what some people say. Whereas you guys are 'Islamic Republic' by definition.

First of all no need to get all riled up and start calling my country a shit hole just because it's hard for you to reciprocate in a constructive debate. I'm not very religious so I couldn't care less but I like how you didn't make H in Hindu capital. I guess respect for other peoples' religions is not a USP of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Also, I'm still civic despite of you attacking calling my country a shit hole and assaulting my culture (not to be confused with religion) so please don't resort to personal and religious attacks like you guys tend to.

KinleyMan said:

I do not need lessons from you on how to behave. If you want to teach, wait for my request. For now I will behave at my convenience.

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Take lessons from your parents if you feel like, but please do. You need them.

The part where you claimed all hindus had polygamy is rubbish. Only a micro minuscule percentage of hindus had more than one wife.

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This is what I wrote -

"For e.g. Polygamy was there among hindus"

If you are educated enough, pray tell me how this sentence means all hindus had polygamy?

If you can not, please disengage

When sanctity of a relationship lies in intent then how does it matter if a person has 1 wife or a 100.

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A half decent human can gauge intent of a person having 100 wife. Morality is collective conscience of the society and as a society we decide what is morally correct.

When a legal document is not required, then what good is the institution of marriage ?

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As good as a live in. Both are considered as binding relationship. You can rant on terminology.

If all such rituals and legal contract has been rendered defunct then what good is a law that talks about only 1 partner. He or she could very well have multiple partners. Why the discrimination ? Even today there are men with wives and mistress and the law discriminates against the mistress while giving protection to a similar mistress/partner without a history.

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Ohh man !!

Can you have one wife and another live in?

Can you have two wife at a time under hindu bill?

Can you have two live in at a time?

More than one legal partner is adultery and legality is defined on sequence. In presence of wife, any further livein is adultery and in presence of a live in, any marriage is prohibited.

So law secures the right of single partner - marriage or live in.

Legal contract are not made defunct - Infact some relationship are granted legal cover without rituals.

Rituals are made defunct.

@KinleyMan "I do not need lessons from you on how to behave. If you want to teach, wait for my request. For now I will behave at my convenience.

When sanctity of a relationship lies in intent then how does it matter if a person has 1 wife or a 100. When a legal document is not required, then what good is the institution of marriage ?

If all such rituals and legal contract has been rendered defunct then what good is a law that talks about only 1 partner. He or she could very well have multiple partners. Why the discrimination ? Even today there are men with wives and mistress and the law discriminates against the mistress while giving protection to a similar mistress/partner without a history.

The part where you claimed all hindus had polygamy is rubbish. Only a micro minuscule percentage of hindus had more than one wife."

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/if-pakis...aq-why-cant-india.455651/page-4#ixzz4N3NyhKfD

shah1398 said:

Sir I beg to disagree a bit with U both. The concept of triple talaq does hold but different scholars have different opinion on that. Some say that U can give triple Talaq to a woman in one go and here goes your marriage while there are many others who believe that even if U utter word "Talaq" a thousand time in one go then still its counted as ONE. U both are given sometime that probably U might reconcile and if it does not work then after some specific time U can award another Talaq in same manner and finally a third one after sometime. On the contrary women have the right to ask for "Khulaa" if she does not want to live with any person. See Islam is a balanced Religion and aint irrational but problem is we have made it look like irrational and thats the dilemma that we are not progressing but are using Islam look like that its holding us from progress.

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thats why i said let the muslims there decide. they will decide it on the basis of their own religious scholars opinion. my point is that majority have no right to enforce religious reforms on minority.

BlackIndian said:

India will end up like Iraq, Syria and Libya.The day is not too far. The rate at which Muslims are reproducing is quite alarming.

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So you fear Muslim Indians? First you guys fear Pakistan then now your own citizens. What will make make you guys happy? I guess nothing, cause even if you leave only hindu India then you would have to fear low caste (dalut) evenif you take that out then it would be color complexion issue. Basically it is never ending fear..

This is one advantage of being part of a secular society and a minority........ Well out dated rules should be amended.... and the progressive guys of the society (from that religion) should play a balancing role...... One country one rule for every citizen that is the way ahead..... I know this will be viewed differently by people since it is a BJP govt in power, but i do not see Congress or anyone doing this, not because they do not agree, just because of their vote bank......

What ever the law will be. Muslims will following trio Talaq, when it is completed they will contact to any institution, indeed they resolved their problem by mutual cooperation than to hear or there from any institution.

Why you expend Talaq, it is not good for Muslims.

Internalize it that Talaq always exist between silly couples, Religious peoples have beautiful mind & soul. Don't expect it from them.

Other Muslims also good but they have more chances of Talaq, but they eventually resolved this matter.

What Indian government think about Muslim's.

Marriage is not a agreement, it is life.

Understand, your conspiracy get Baba Jee Ka Tullu. Lol

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Isn't it ironical that on one hand some Muslim men seek all the redress & privileges the Indian Penal Code has yet selectively seek convenient clauses of sharia where it suits them ?

Why don't they also seek punishments like chopping off hands / head too for punishments as is done in KSA ?

third eye said:

You are being unfair in your opinion.

Muslims have as much right on this land as Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains , Zorastrians or any other community have.

Yes, they have a right to stay here as they have done for centuries.

However, post 1947, we collectively chose to run our nation by our Constitution , we all have to abide by it & that goes for all communities.

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That black indian guy is a false flagger ..ignore him