Civil war in Ukraine: News & discussion

Hindustani78 said:

Wasnt there restrictions placed on internal immigration and systemically citizens of other SSR mainly the Russian Speakers were settlements in all the SSR Republics mainly around the port cities, military industries, natural resources reserves etc?

Each Ex SSR use to have its own language and on this basis only different ethinicity were there but the main thing is this that When Ethinic Russian were settled in other Ex SSR Republics , they were not interested in learning the language of those EX SSR Republics but when those citizens of Ex SSR goes to Russian SSR, they need to give up thier language and adopt Russian language and still be called not Russian ?

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In the Soviet Union were the languages of the national republics (have official status) and was the language of international communication - Russian. Culture of the Peoples of the USSR carefully preserved and developed, many primitive people got their own alphabet and literary norms.
Russians lived in all the territories of the former Russian Empire. Until 1917, Ukrainians (Little Russians) and Belarussians also considered Russians in documents (many, like me, think so still).
Ukraine - the birthplace of Russian and Ukrainian languages. The most stupid, dangerous and deadly mistake for Ukraine - to abandon bilingualism and go for total Ukrainianization.
Little Russians were the same creators of the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, as well as the Great Russians. The percentage of inhabitants from USSR in the Kremlin was more than inhabitants of the RSFSR.

vostok said:

In the Soviet Union were the languages of the national republics (have official status) and was the language of international communication - Russian. Culture of the Peoples of the USSR carefully preserved and developed, many primitive people got their own alphabet and literary norms.
Russians lived in all the territories of the former Russian Empire. Until 1917, Ukrainians (Little Russians) and Belarussians also considered Russians in documents (many, like me, think so still).

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Wasnt those Russian Speakers settled in systemic way ?

I know here you are talking about nationality but after disintregration of USSR , if that concept is applied now then its like violation of the Soveriginity and interigity of those countries. Dont you think so ?

Hindustani78 said:

Wasnt those Russian Speakers settled in systemic way ?

I know here you are talking about nationality but after disintregration of USSR , if that concept is applied now then its like violation of the Soveriginity and interigity of those countries. Dont you think so ?

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If Russian wanted to populate the entire territory of the Russian Empire USSR, they just destroyed the local population, as the Anglo-Saxons did in America.
It so happened that in the factories, most engineers were Russian, many doctors and teachers in Central Asia was Russian.
Yes, I recognize the right of Novorossia on national sovereignty and territorial integrity within the southern and eastern regions of the former Ukraine.

vostok said:

If Russian wanted to populate the entire territory of the Russian Empire USSR, they just destroyed the local population, as the Anglo-Saxons did in America.
It so happened that in the factories, most engineers were Russian, many doctors and teachers in Central Asia was Russian.
Yes, I recognize the right of Novorossia on national sovereignty and territorial integrity within the southern and eastern regions of the former Ukraine.

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Russian Federation is one of the founding members of UN then how come Russian Federation over look UN treaty ? Those engineers, doctors and teachers all those comes under systemic settlements and even systemic selection of people and giving them jobs and giving them better life and denying rights of the other citizens.


But in that arent you violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine ?

8,600 Ukrainian soldiers deserted and jointed Russian invaders

Desertion proceedings in progress against 8,600 soldiers in Ukraine

Hindustani78 said:

Russian Federation is one of the founding members of UN then how come Russian Federation over look UN treaty ?

But in that arent you violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine ?

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What UN? Who cares about UN? It's not a state. It has no army.

Hindustani78 said:

But in that arent you violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine ?

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Yeah, and what are you gonna do about it? We got weapons. We can invade any country we like.

munchkin said:

8,600 Ukrainian soldiers deserted and jointed Russian invaders

Desertion proceedings in progress against 8,600 soldiers in Ukraine

Desertion proceedings doesnt means that they have joined Russians

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What UN? Who cares about UN? It's not a state. It has no army.

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UN is an International platform for all the members. Its membership club of all the nation states.

Hindustani78 said:

Why that time Russian Federation agreed on Independent Ukraine state and now why its termed as Nazism or Fascism , if they are defending thier soverigint

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We agreed Ukraine is legit before. We now say Ukraine is not legit. What? We can't change our opinion?

Hindustani78 said:

UN is an International platform for all the members. Its membership club of all the nation states.

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F UN. We Russians invade whoever we like. NO one can stop us.

Hindustani78 said:

Russian Federation is one of the founding members of UN then how come Russian Federation over look UN treaty ? Those engineers, doctors and teachers all those comes under systemic settlements and even systemic selection of people and giving them jobs and giving them better life and denying rights of the other citizens.

But in that arent you violating the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine ?

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No, Russian and other nations had equal wages, it was not dependent on nationality.
I'll reveal you the secret, but it is the people of the RSFSR lived poorer than people in other republics. First of all, the Party and the government cares about the Caucasus, the Baltic states, Ukraine - and only then about the inhabitants of the RSFSR.
In Ukraine, there was a coup d'etat. The fascists say - a revolution. And after the revolutions states have a tendency to break. The same thing happened with Ukraine. There is no more present days Ukraine. She is died.
Novorossiya is reborned.

munchkin said:

We agreed Ukraine is legit before. We now say Ukraine is not legit. What? We can't change our opinion?

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Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 27 March 2014 in which majority of members are for territorial intergity of Ukraine.

Recalling the obligations of all States under Article 2 of the Charter to refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State.

F UN. We Russians invade whoever we like. NO one can stop us.

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I think Russian Federation can invade but they cant hold it for long time.

vostok said:

No, Russian and other nations had equal wages, it was not dependent on nationality.
I'll reveal you the secret, but it is the people of the RSFSR lived poorer than people in other republics. First of all, the Party and the government cares about the Caucasus, the Baltic states, Ukraine - and only then about the inhabitants of the RSFSR.
In Ukraine, there was a coup d'etat. The fascists say - a revolution. And after the revolutions states have a tendency to break. The same thing happened with Ukraine. There is no more present days Ukraine. She is died.
Novorossiya is reborned.

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This has nothing to do with equal wages but more about the military industry and coal mines in Eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine in real is having the natural resources and even technology but it was made to suffer because of Gas. If Ukraine would have been allowed to convert the Nuclear warheads in production of energy then Ukraine would not have been dependable on Russian Gas.

Hindustani78 said:

This has nothing to do with equal wages but more about the military industry and coal mines in Eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine in real is having the natural resources and even technology but it was made to suffer because of Gas. If Ukraine would have been allowed to convert the Nuclear warheads in production of energy then Ukraine would not have been dependable on Russian Gas.

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I very much hope that after becoming independent Novorossia restore industrial, scientific and cultural potential, which the land had during the times of the Russian Empire / Soviet Union. Donbass was considered the industrial heart of Russia, and Odessa - had the unofficial status of the Southern Capital of the Empire.

vostok said:

I very much hope that after becoming independent Novorossia restore industrial, scientific and cultural potential, which the land had during the times of the Russian Empire / Soviet Union. Donbass was considered the industrial heart of Russia, and Odessa - had the unofficial status of the Southern Capital of the Empire.

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But you are not trying to see the real bigger picture. The main targets be it in Crimea or Eastern Ukraine were belongs to military, economy, industrial and scientific bases of Ukraine State.

Hindustani78 said:

But you are not trying to see the real bigger picture. The main targets be it in Crimea or Eastern Ukraine were belongs to military, economy, industrial and scientific bases of Ukraine State.

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Novorossia will restore economic, cultural and scientific relations with Russia. This will allow the factories to upgrade and build new factories, open scientific institutions.
New Russia - beautiful land. Russia for thousand years has tried to pacify the Great Nomadic Steppe. Finally, at the end of the 18th century it happened.
The main objective of the inhabitants of New Russia - to reunite with Our Motherland-Russia, or as the subject of the Eurasian Union, or as a subject of the Russian Federation.

Hindustani78 said:

Resolution adopted by the General Assembly on 27 March 2014 in which majority of members are for territorial intergity of Ukraine.

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Useless and irrelevant. A piece of paper and reality are not the same.

Hindustani78 said:

I think Russian Federation can invade but they cant hold it for long time.

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What language do Ukrainians speak? Russian. Russia invade Ukraine is the same as Germany invaded Austria in 1938 and Saudi Arabia invade Yemen now.

vostok said:

Novorossia will restore economic, cultural and scientific relations with Russia. This will allow the factories to upgrade and build new factories, open scientific institutions.
New Russia - beautiful land. Russia for thousand years has tried to pacify the Great Nomadic Steppe. Finally, at the end of the 18th century it happened.
The main objective of the inhabitants of New Russia - to reunite with Our Motherland-Russia, or as the subject of the Eurasian Union, or as a subject of the Russian Federation.

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Here i am talking about the reasons since 2000 because of which Ukraine went backwards and ended up in annexation of Crimea and losing coal mines in Eastern Ukraine.

munchkin said:

Useless and irrelevant. A piece of paper and reality are not the same.

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UN is still an important International platform. Dissolving UN means New world Order aka World war III.

What language do Ukrainians speak? Russian. Russia invade Ukraine is the same as Germany invaded Austria in 1938 and Saudi Arabia invade Yemen now.

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Ukrainians speak Ukranian. Here we are talking about 2014-2015. UN was established in 1945.

Hindustani78 said:

Here i am talking about the reasons since 2000 because of which Ukraine went backwards and ended up in annexation of Crimea and losing coal mines in Eastern Ukraine.

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Nikolaev and Kherson and Feodosiya shipyards, sea-ports of Odessa, Yalta, Evpatoria, plants of Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Donbass. Mines. All of this was built in the time of Russian Empire / Soviet Union. And the only hope to remain a highly industrialized, scientific society - to reunite with Russia, in extreme cases - the Eurasian Union.
This is a chance to leave the unloved stepmother and return to beloved Mother.