On Iran's future possibilities with Sukhoi

madooxno9 said:

Pakistani agents are always selling their JF-17 in aever other thread

Bhai kitna commision milta hai ?

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Desperate situations require desperate measures.

farhan_9909 said:

But Ground realities says otherwise,Not even a prototype of FGFA is ready yet.Ask indians,the only problem with russian firms is extreme delay in delivery.

Su-35 is one of the best fighter in the world,Iran already has more than 60Billion dollars reserves,so spending like 6-8Billion dollars for 5 squadrons should not be a big deal.

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Well, delay in such technologically advanced projects is something that is expected. There will be alot of technical problems to be solved. Unfortunately the days of Su-35 are numbered since proliferation of fifth generation fighters will make Su-35 useless. When billions of dollars are to be spent on a fighter plane purchase then it should remain relevant to balance of air power for at least 30 to 40 years. Therefore buying Su-35 is not a good purchase for Iran in economic sense as its utility will be drastically reduced in coming decades.

Also Iran actually has 120 billion dollars in cash but it is stuck in foreign banks due to sanctions and can not transfer them into Iran. Though theoretically Iran can offer this cash to Russia which is a permanent security council member with Veto power and I am sure Russians would be able to cash them. The problem is not really the money but whether Russians will be willing to sell it to Iran with technology transfer similar to the way India is purchasing it.

madooxno9 said:

JF-17

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SipahSalar said:

Dont worry my Iranian friends, you still have Qaher-313.

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i would always choose the "crap that F-313 craps" to secondhand quality chinese 4th gen. fighters

I thought T-50 was joint Indian-Russian and not up for export production???

haman10 said:

i would always choose the "crap that F-313 craps" to secondhand quality chinese 4th gen. fighters

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JF-17? We are not content with Su-35 because of its dubious future reliability in the coming age of fifth generation fighters and these guys are talking about JF-17. That is hilarious.

I would very much like to see T-50 flying over Iranian skies but I doubt it will happen because US pressure is too strong.

What is the point of dispute between Iran and Israel and other western nations ?
Is it just Iran's nuclear program ? I suspect it is more than that.
Anyone care to educate me ?

SipahSalar said:

Ok, all of you need to hold your horses. This is a FAN MADE version rather than published by Sukhoi. Sukhoi had actually published a similar time line for SU-30 rather than SU-50, which this particular fan copied and made into a chart that you see posted in this post. The OP has intentionally got you excited for nothing. There are no SU-50s' for Iran.

And best of all, i bring proof with me.
Allow me to mention the most important line in the article:


Here is the original time line that the fan copied from, it is for SU-30, and THIS was made by Sukhoi.

Dont worry my Iranian friends, you still have Qaher-313.

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@C130 *sigh*

Daneshmand said:

JF-17? We are not content with Su-35 because of its dubious future reliability in the coming age of fifth generation fighters and these guys are talking about JF-17. That is hilarious.

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Congrats to Iran, T-50 known as the future Su-50 is indeed an awesome aircraft.

Falcon29 said:

I thought T-50 was joint Indian-Russian and not up for export production???

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they intend to export it , and we are figuring out if its possible for iran to acquire some too

Daneshmand said:

That is hilarious.

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its not hilarious because of that . JF-17 is a real good 4th gen fighter .

the issue is that iran already possesses the needed Airpower to bring squadrons of JF-17 down like stones in sky . F-14AM can kick lots of A$$3S with its ultra long range BVR missiles like Maqsoud and Fakour missiles , not to mention the Mig-29

that being said , Saeghe and modernized F-4s are also great threats to all 4th gen fighter .

Daneshmand said:

JF-17? We are not content with Su-35 because of its dubious future reliability in the coming age of fifth generation fighters and these guys are talking about JF-17. That is hilarious.

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But is someone even selling Su-35's to Iran?

ChineseTiger1986 said:

Congrats to Iran, T-50 known as the future Su-50 is indeed an awesome aircraft.

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bro , its not finalized , these are just estimations and possibilities

chinese 5th gen. fighters are also on the table if they are for sale

SipahSalar said:

But is someone even selling Su-35's to Iran?

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It is not important what is being sold to Iran. What is important is not to waste money on something that will be of no utility to Iran eg. JF-17. A plane that even the manufacturing and designing country has rejected for inclusion into its air force. Chinese Air Force categorically rejected to fly this plane. The fighter planes are tools that produce projection of air power. If Iran is to spend billions on a tool, then it must see the result of this expenditure in increased projection of its air power otherwise it is useless. Iranian Air Force does not need a show piece for national "pride", unlike many other Air Forces. That is why Iran should not even buy Su-35 which will be irrelevant in future. Su-50 is another story.

SipahSalar said:

But is someone even selling Su-35's to Iran?

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Here's the thing:

If Iran can buy JF-17, it can indeed buy much better fighter jets, like Su-35.

If Iran can't buy JF-17, it can't buy anything else because of sanctions.

So it's not like that we are being offered with JF-17s and not other birds.

Falcon29 said:

I thought T-50 was joint Indian-Russian and not up for export production???

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It will be exported like as any other aircraft devloped by Russia.

PS- Indo-Russian joint fighter is called as FGFA.It is a twin seater fighter aircraft compared to T-50 which is single seater.

Serpentine said:

Here's the thing:

If Iran can buy JF-17, it can indeed buy much better fighter jets, like Su-35.

If Iran can't buy JF-17, it can't buy anything else because of sanctions.

So it's not like that we are being offered with JF-17s and not other birds.

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Do you believe it would be worth it? Are you aiming for air superioity over your airspace or...? I don't believe small number will secure Iran since it is wide, large landmass.