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Trump team takes issue with Pakistani version of phone talk

Initially I thought the conversation might be true, because that guy trump is also unpredictable.
 
Nooras r doing this for a while now.. any1 remember how they told the media about "Punjab Speed" ???? trying to fool Pakistani people.. They used same kind of language and praised themselves using the name of Chinese, but Chinese govt even knowing that this Ganjas r wrong didn't disgraced them by letting the people know the reality but Trump team is not so Sober and they undressed the Ganjas,..

This Noon league thinks that they can use any1's name and market themselves for the next elections but sorry, this time, they got the wrong name to use.....
 
I have yet to find the words: "Trump did not say what the Pakistanis have claimed he said."
From what I understand they have an issue with the publishing the conversation in the press(*It’s entirely inappropriate for the Pakistani government to release what an American president-elect says in the course of a phone call), and that Pakistan assumed Trump knew what his words meant that were coming out of his mouth (*the Pakistanis overplayed Mr Trump’s offer to play “a role” in resolving Pakistan’s disputes with India).
Obviously Trump was going on one of his famous rants and giving everything what the listener wanted to hear, but not knowing what he was actually saying.
 
1-Trump Transition team
2-Mr Fleischer
3-Washington Post

Hotch Potch different statements from different sources and Add a title of your own interpretation and thats a news.

I wonder if there are still objective analysts alive somewhere in the world.
 
LOL You think we are going to take your a$$ burning seriously?



Who cares what CNN thinks? Isn't this the same channel that got red faced and humiliated when it was promoting Hillary during the elections? CNN is going to have to deal with the fact that Trump is their new pu$$y grabbing president. Don't blame me for it.

Bhai thori to feel karlo. Itni moti skin b nahe honi chaahye banday ki.
 
An unidentified adviser to the Trump team said the Pakistani readout of the talk had “committed the president-elect to more than what he meant”.

This sum it up ... WHY UN-Identified advisor ? someone imaginations nothing else
 
Bhai thori to feel karlo. Itni moti skin b nahe honi chaahye banday ki.

Feel karlo? Feel to us waqt karta jab Trump bolta ke phone call nahin huwi. Eysi koy baat nahin. Yeh Modi sarkaar ke tatte bas idhar udah uchal rahe he. Maata ji ka pishab zyada pi liya he.
 
If Trump has a telephone call with a turd, it is going to be a "great telephone call" with an "amazing turd".
What the President elect of a superpower say's carries lot of weight so this reaction is not surprising. If for example PM of Swaziland said 'Sweden needs erasing' I don't think your media would bat a eyelid. On the other hand if the US President elect said the same words all hell would break loose in Sweden.

The fact that Trump Presidency is going to impact Pakistan profoundly is cause of so much anticipation and interest.
 
...The most critical comment on the Pakistani readout, however, came from a former White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer: “It’s entirely inappropriate for the Pakistani government to release what an American president-elect says in the course of a phone call.”
Mr Fleischer, who was a member of former Republican president George Bush’s White House team and is close to the Trump transition team as well, noted that no government releases such readouts.
“We would never release what a foreign leader said to (ex-president) George W. Bush. We would talk about what George W. Bush said. But to release what somebody else says, I am not the spokesperson for Pakistan or any other nation,” he told CNN.
“So, for them to do it is an entire breach of diplomatic protocol and tradition. And if they had done that to me, I would be on the phone right now with their press secretary, chewing him out. The ambassador would be on the phone with their ambassador, chewing the ambassador out. And up and down the chain...”
The Russians and some others have voiced the same complaint, while the Chinese know Pakistani gov't does this but keep quiet about it. Good that Trump learns his lesson early, I think.

What the President elect of a superpower say's carries lot of weight so this reaction is not surprising. If for example PM of Swaziland said 'Sweden needs erasing' I don't think your media would bat a eyelid. On the other hand if the US President elect said the same words all hell would break loose in Sweden.
That's not it. The correct analogy would be if the Pakistani gov't claimed the PM of Swaziland declared 'Sweden needs erasing' in a private conversation but the Swaziland gov't itself said nothing about it. Naturally, the Swaziland gov't would be upset; it might even deny everything, then ban further substantive diplomatic contact with the Pakistani gov't - that is, such misbehavior leads to isolation.
 
So Nawaz has been caught giving fake and exaggerated statements again.

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SORRY TO INTERRUPT MY INDIAN FRIENDS,

DIPLOMACY IS NOT YOUR CUP OF COFFEE NOR THE LANGUAGE YOU ALL ARE ACCUSTOMED WITH IN YOUR DAILY LIFE,

BETTER CLEAR YOUR MIND WITH DISCUSSING WITH SOUTH BLOC FIRST ,BEFORE HITTING THE KEYBOARD.AND STOP EMBARRASSING THE INDIAN MINISTRY OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS

THE HON'BLE PRESIDENT NAWAZ SHARIF, OF THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN, INDEED DID TALK THE SAME WORDS, NOT ANY FABRICATION/ OR LIES,

I AM PASTING THE ARTICLE PUBLISHED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES, IN THIS REGARDS.

I FEEL, EVEN IF, BY PUBLISHING THE CONVERSATION COULD BE PREMATURE AND UN DIPLOMATIC,

THE OFFENSIVE REMARKS THAT YOU HAVE MADE ABOVE, ABOUT A SITTING PRESIDENT IS INDEED SHAMEFUL.

WE WERE INVOLVED IN DIPLOMACY ,MANY MANY YEARS BEFORE YOUR ALL WERE EVEN BORN.

TRY TO LEARN FROM YOUR EXPERIENCED DIPLOMATS THE SKILLS AND LANGUAGE TO USE AND HOW TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHER FOREIGN NATIONALS,
AND LEARN TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES,IN DIPLOMACY NOTHING IS IN WHITE OR BLACK,MORE LIKE SCRATCHING YOUR ENEMIES FACE, WEARING VELVET GLOVES.

SPECIALLY WHEN PARTICIPATING IN THEIR FORUM. WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAZY KIDS.

Trump’s Breezy Calls to World Leaders Leave Diplomats Aghast

By MARK LANDLER, DEC. 1, 2016

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/u...plomats-aghast.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Donald J. Trump inherited a complicated world when he won the election last month. And that was before a series of freewheeling phone calls with foreign leaders that has unnerved diplomats at home and abroad.

In the calls, he voiced admiration for one of the world’s most durable despots, the president of Kazakhstan, and said he hoped to visit a country, Pakistan, that President Obama has steered clear of during nearly eight years in office.

Mr. Trump told the British prime minister, Theresa May, “If you travel to the U.S., you should let me know,” an offhand invitation that came only after he spoke to nine other leaders. He later compounded it by saying on Twitter that Britain should name the anti-immigrant leader Nigel Farage its ambassador to Washington, a startling break with diplomatic protocol.


Mr. Trump’s unfiltered exchanges have drawn international attention since the election, most notably when he met Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan with only one other American in the room, his daughter Ivanka Trump — dispensing with the usual practice of using State Department-approved talking points.

On Thursday, the White House weighed in with an offer of professional help. The press secretary, Josh Earnest, urged the president-elect to make use of the State Department’s policy makers and diplomats in planning and conducting his encounters with foreign leaders.

“President Obama benefited enormously from the advice and expertise that’s been shared by those who serve at the State Department,” Mr. Earnest said. “I’m confident that as President-elect Trump takes office, those same State Department employees will stand ready to offer him advice as he conducts the business of the United States overseas.”

“Hopefully he’ll take it,” he added.

A spokesman for the State Department, John Kirby, said the department was “helping facilitate and support calls as requested.” But he declined to give details, and it was not clear to what extent Mr. Trump was availing himself of the nation’s diplomats.

Mr. Trump’s conversation with Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif of Pakistan has generated the most angst, because, as Mr. Earnest put it, the relationship between Mr. Sharif’s country and the United States is “quite complicated,” with disputes over issues ranging from counter terrorism to nuclear proliferation.

In a remarkably candid readout of the phone call, the Pakistani government said Mr. Trump had told Mr. Sharif that he was “a terrific guy” who made him feel as though “I’m talking to a person I have known for long.” He described Pakistanis as “one of the most intelligent people.” When Mr. Sharif invited him to visit Pakistan, the president-elect replied that he would “love to come to a fantastic country, fantastic place of fantastic people.”

The Trump transition office, in its more circumspect readout, said only that Mr. Trump and Mr. Sharif “had a productive conversation about how the United States and Pakistan will have a strong working relationship in the future.” It did not confirm or deny the Pakistani account of Mr. Trump’s remarks.


The breezy tone of the readout left diplomats in Washington slack-jawed, with some initially assuming it was a parody. In particular, they zeroed in on Mr. Trump’s offer to Mr. Sharif “to play any role you want me to play to address and find solutions to the country’s problems.”

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President Nursultan A. Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan in Tokyo in November. The Kazakh government said Mr. Trump had lavished praise on Mr. Nazarbayev in a recent phone call. Credit Franck Robichon/European Pressphoto Agency
That was interpreted by some in India as an offer by the United States to mediate Pakistan’s border dispute with India in Kashmir, something that the Pakistanis have long sought and that India has long resisted.

“By taking such a cavalier attitude to these calls, he’s encouraging people not to take him seriously,” said Daniel F. Feldman, a former special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan. “He’s made himself not only a bull in a china shop, but a bull in a nuclear china shop.”

Husain Haqqani, a former Pakistani ambassador to Washington, said his government’s decision to release a rough transcript of Mr. Trump’s remarks was a breach of protocol that demonstrated how easily Pakistani leaders misread signals from their American counterparts.

“Pakistan is one country where knowing history and details matters most,” Mr. Haqqani said, “and where the U.S. cannot afford to give wrong signals, given the history of misunderstandings.”


At one level, Mr. Trump’s warm sentiments were surprising, given that during the campaign, he called for temporarily barring Muslims from entering the United States to avoid importing would-be terrorists.

His conversation with Mr. Sharif also came a day after an attack at Ohio State University in which a Somali-born student, Abdul Razak Ali Artan, rammed a car into a group of pedestrians and slashed several people with a knife before being shot and killed by the police. Law enforcement officials said Mr. Artan, whom the Islamic State has claimed as a “soldier,” had lived in Pakistan for seven years before coming to the United States in 2014.

Mr. Obama never visited Pakistan as president, even though he had a circle of Pakistani friends in college and spoke fondly of the country. The White House weighed a visit at various times but always decided against it, according to officials, because of security concerns or because it would be perceived as rewarding Pakistani leaders for what many American officials said was their lack of help in fighting terrorism.

“It sends a powerful message to the people of a country when the president of the United States goes to visit,” Mr. Earnest said. “That’s true whether it’s some of our closest allies, or that’s also true if it’s a country like Pakistan, with whom our relationship is somewhat more complicated.”


Mr. Trump’s call with President Nursultan A. Nazarbayev of Kazakhstan raised similar questions.

Mr. Nazarbayev has ruled his country with an iron hand since 1989, first as head of the Communist Party and later as president after Kazakhstan won its independence from the Soviet Union. In April 2015, he won a fifth term, winning 97.7 percent of the vote and raising suspicions of fraud.

The Kazakh government, in its account of Mr. Trump’s conversation, said he had lavished praise on the president for his leadership of the country over the last 25 years. “D. Trump stressed that under the leadership of Nursultan Nazarbayev, our country over the years of independence had achieved fantastic success that can be called a ‘miracle,’” it said.

The statement went on to say that Mr. Trump had shown solidarity with the Kazakh government over its decision to voluntarily surrender the nuclear arsenal it inherited from the Soviets. “There is no more important issue than the nuclear disarmament and nonproliferation, which must be addressed in a global context,” it quoted Mr. Trump as saying.

Mr. Trump’s statement said that Mr. Nazarbayev had congratulated him on his victory, and that Mr. Trump had reciprocated by congratulating him on the 25th anniversary of his country. Beyond that, it said only that the two leaders had “addressed the importance of strengthening regional partnerships.”

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A version of this article appears in print on December 2, 2016, on page A17 of the New York edition with the headline: Trump’s Breezy Phone Calls Leave Diplomats Aghast.

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And where is the denial by Trump's camp that the substance of the release is incorrect?
They don't have to; it stands as a breach of standard protocol. But it's a breach that non-Pakistani policymakers need to recognize happens all too often in discussions with their Pakistani counterparts.

One diplomat told me that the problem with Pakistan is so extensive that his counterpart reported to Pakistani press stuff totally different from their conversation - and when he complained to the press about it, he was told they'd print whatever they wanted. After that he stopped discussions with that official - it was safer not to say anything at all.
 

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