Pakistan's Service Rifle (G-3, Type-56) Replacement Competition 2016.

[Zarvan]

As @Horus have told teams are discussing deal with both candidates and I hope Mr Horus would give us the good news soon. I am hoping and praying for SCAR but let see what happens. @balixd

 

[Zarvan]

FNH Scar Mk.16

Developed exclusively for U.S. special operations forces and the demanding environments they operate in, the Mk16 Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle is a gas-piston operated 5.56 carbine that features a modular design to allow the operator to configure the rifle for specific missions.

The SCAR has two receivers: The lower is constructed of polymer, and the upper receiver is one piece and constructed of aluminum. The SCAR features an integral, uninterrupted Picatinny rail on the top of the aluminium receiver, two removable side rails and a bottom one that can mount any MIL-STD-1913 compliant accessories.

It has a polymer lower receiver with an M16 compatible pistol grip, flared magazine well, and raised area around magazine and bolt release buttons. The front sight flips down for unobstructed use of optics and accessories. The rifle uses a 'tappet' type of closed gas system much like the M1 Carbine while the bolt carrier otherwise resembles the Stoner 63 or Heckler & Koch G36.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

FN SUCKS at marketing and when it comes to negociations and offers. @Horus @Zarvan @balixd @The Eagle @Arsalan @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @That Guy @WAJsal @Path-Finder

The "Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal" (propriété de la région Wallonne) offer was immediatly rejected as by the administrative court of Paris (Tribunal administratif de Paris) because of flagrant commercial irregularities in its offer in the tender to replace the FAMAS.
Basically to make it easier,they declared a price of €0 for the first batch then a variable price for each one of the following batches..... The judge considered that in the event that the rifles are bought in one batch,it would violate the article 1 of the code,making the offer unacceptable....

Let's see how things go in Pakistan... if they don't make stupid mistakes..

H&K won on replacing Famas right ???

 

[Vergennes]

H&K won on replacing Famas right ???

They did. Not only H&K won on performances,as its assault rifle fulfilled all our requirements without any exeptions and led the field against the Scar-L,VHS-2,ARX-160,SIG MCX,they made a very competitive offer. @The Eagle

The contract signed with H&K,calls for the supply of 102,000 HK416F 5.56mm x 45 NATO assault rifles, 10,767 HK269F 40mm x 46 grenade launchers, accessories, ammunition, spares and support services over a period of fifteen years,for €140Mn excluding VAT. (Including VAT,it would amount to ~€200Mn.)
We planned to spend between €350Mn and €400Mn.

The HK416F. (F for France,basically,it's a modified version of the new HK416A5.)

 

[Zarvan]

They did. Not only H&K won on performances,as its assault rifle fulfilled all our requirements without any exeptions and led the field against the Scar-L,VHS-2,ARX-160,SIG MCX,they made a very competitive offer. @The Eagle

The contract signed with H&K,calls for the supply of 102,000 HK416F 5.56mm x 45 NATO assault rifles, 10,767 HK269F 40mm x 46 grenade launchers, accessories, ammunition, spares and support services over a period of fifteen years,for €140Mn excluding VAT. (Including VAT,it would amount to ~€200Mn.)
We planned to spend between €350Mn and €400Mn.

The HK416F. (F for France,basically,it's a modified version of the new HK416A5.)


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You are going to get only 102000 Rifles and in over 15 years. Seriously guys ???????????????

 

[The Eagle]

They did. Not only H&K won on performances,as its assault rifle fulfilled all our requirements without any exeptions and led the field against the Scar-L,VHS-2,ARX-160,SIG MCX,they made a very competitive offer.

With reference to performance of the gun, we have different class weapons here for trails like SCAR-H, ARX-200 leading the trials yet however, as you pointed out as well, it will depend upon the package and offers during negotiation that too within the limits of assigned budget in long terms plan. I hope, it is about ToT and in house production.

 

[ali_raza]

anything new guys.its just a gun.and people should know

 

[Zarvan]

anything new guys.its just a gun.and people should know

For soldiers it's like a wife partner and lot more and those who love rifles this is not just rifle we are talking about this is life.

 

[ali_raza]

For soldiers it's like a wife partner and lot more and those who love rifles this is not just rifle we are talking about this is life.

yeaa u r right

 

[Zarvan]

New model os SCAR SSR, New stock, New flashbang #fnscar #shotshow2015 #fnssr #sniper #dmr

 

[Army research]

New model os SCAR SSR, New stock, New flashbang #fnscar #shotshow2015 #fnssr #sniper #dmr

Flash bang or flash suppressor sir

 

[ali_raza]

New model os SCAR SSR, New stock, New flashbang #fnscar #shotshow2015 #fnssr #sniper #dmr

mashallah.kider kider se nikalte ho scar.fabrique natinale ke pas bi ni hongi itni scars

 

[Arsalan]

FN SUCKS at marketing and when it comes to negociations and offers. @Horus @Zarvan @balixd @The Eagle @Arsalan @Bilal Khan (Quwa) @That Guy @WAJsal @Path-Finder

The "Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal" (propriété de la région Wallonne) offer was immediatly rejected as by the administrative court of Paris (Tribunal administratif de Paris) because of flagrant commercial irregularities in its offer in the tender to replace the FAMAS.
Basically to make it easier,they declared a price of €0 for the first batch then a variable price for each one of the following batches..... The judge considered that in the event that the rifles are bought in one batch,it would violate the article 1 of the code,making the offer unacceptable....

Let's see how things go in Pakistan... if they don't make stupid mistakes..

Lolz,
well sir good news for FN, OUR judges wont bother such details

On a serious note, from what i have been hearing so far, it is Beretta who have been the most aggressive with the business proposal offer. Also as i have been saying from quite some time now, the final decision is resting on that offer. The performance evaluation have been done and there are more then one guns which are deemed OK. There MIGHT be some more shootings in winters but mainly it all depends on aggressive marketing and lucrative business offer.

@Zarvan This is NOT a news bro, just what is being said and i will prefer to wait for some more time before more is disclosed by authorities.

Well that is one source but it seem every officer is confused on what leadership is thinking because my friend talked to a Colnonal and a Major

That is why i ALWAYS tell you that what your or anyone's friend have to say after a "talk" with a Colonel or Major is still not news. What he have said may turn out to be true 11 times out of 10 but still that wont be a news but only what is being said, assumptions, speculation. There is this difference.

Anyway, there really isn’t any confusion. I already told you that we won’t be buying ALL AT ONCE and will rather follow a batch wise induction. Also that although the initial claim/news that will be made public is that a decision have been made and the selected gun is to be used to equip all of the army. However in truth the first batch will AGAIN be analyzed (since in numbers) and we may see some modifications/changes going forward. (A total replacement is not likely but not IMPOSSIBLE either). Also that there are a few people, in key positions, who still have some little interest in a local gun. Again, that is not likely either but there WILL BE SOME ATTEMPTS to go down that way. Also the most important thing that in performance, we have MORE THEN ONE guns which are being deemed suitable. Now it is all about business. IT ALWAYS WAS!

Just give it some time and you will get all the details you want.

 

[Zarvan]

Lolz,
well sir good news for FN, OUR judges wont bother such details

On a serious note, from what i have been hearing so far, it is Beretta who have been the most aggressive with the business proposal offer. Also as i have been saying from quite some time now, the final decision is resting on that offer. The performance evaluation have been done and there are more then one guns which are deemed OK. There MIGHT be some more shootings in winters but mainly it all depends on aggressive marketing and lucrative business offer.

@Zarvan This is NOT a news bro, just what is being said and i will prefer to wait for some more time before more is disclosed by authorities.


That is why i ALWAYS tell you that what your or anyone's friend have to say after a "talk" with a Colonel or Major is still not news. What he have said may turn out to be true 11 times out of 10 but still that wont be a news but only what is being said, assumptions, speculation. There is this difference.

Anyway, there really isn’t any confusion. I already told you that we won’t be buying ALL AT ONCE and will rather follow a batch wise induction. Also that although the initial claim/news that will be made public is that a decision have been made and the selected gun is to be used to equip all of the army. However in truth the first batch will AGAIN be analyzed (since in numbers) and we may see some modifications/changes going forward. (A total replacement is not likely but not IMPOSSIBLE either). Also that there are a few people, in key positions, who still have some little interest in a local gun. Again, that is not likely either but there WILL BE SOME ATTEMPTS to go down that way. Also the most important thing that in performance, we have MORE THEN ONE guns which are being deemed suitable. Now it is all about business. IT ALWAYS WAS!

Just give it some time and you will get all the details you want.

CSR™-20
The Future of Advanced Combat Precision Sniper Rifles

The FN CSR™-20, or Compact Sniper Rifle, is the future of advanced combat precision sniper rifles. Leveraging and improving upon combat-proven architecture of the FN SCAR® family of weapons, the FN CSR™-20 provides a highly reliable, accurate and modular weapon system designed for easy operator and armorer level maintenance. The FN CSR™-20 is chambered in 7.62x51mm, features a sub-MOA, 16-inch, cold hammer-forged, chrome-lined barrel, monolithic aluminum receiver, and non-folding stock with adjustable cheekpiece. *Product in development.

MK 20 SSR
Get long-range precision and close-in protection.
Now type-designated as the MK 20 SSR, the FN SCAR® Sniper Support Rifle (SSR) is a tailored design for long-range precision fire applications while also providing capability to fight close in. Based on the MK 17 SCAR® , the SSR is capable of sub-minute of angle accuracy out to and beyond 1,000 yards. The SSR features an extended receiver rail for mounting in-line night vision and thermal devices with standard/sniper optics. It features an enhanced trigger requiring no adjustments that is rugged enough for field use but precise enough for long-range target engagement. The proprietary barrel extension and barrel profile improve accuracy, and the fully-adjustable non folding stock enables the operator to optimize the rifle for firing position and body type. In October 2010, upon successful in-theater combat assessments, the FN SCAR® SSR was granted Milestone C (the acquisition phase associated with fielding/deployment).

What is the difference between above two Sniper Versions of SCAR. The above one was launched recently. @Arsalan

 

[Arsalan]

Seriously, I have a theory.

The rifle program may have more to do with boosting POF's competitiveness than with replacing all legacy Army rifles, at least short and medium term. The cost of bringing in the production facility may not be much in comparative terms, though cost of rifles could be high if the labour and materials are expensive. In other words, the rifle production and rifle induction are two parallel streams. Pakistan could spend $100m to get a SCAR production line, though spending $1-2b on total re-equipment could be tough. But the production doesn't always have to depend on induction, especially if you have an eye on capturing more of the global market (which is a MoDP goal via the self-sufficiency narrative).

That said, there will be a decent domestic order: SOF, CPEC Security Division, CTD, LCB, elite police units, Marines, etc. That is 50,000+ units, affordable enough and sufficient enough to get local production going. Make a play for the KSA, Latin America and Pacific Asia markets, and POF could be set.

The SCAR 7.62x39 road may be interesting, but with the medium-term aim to create a cheaper SCAR perhaps (@Arsalan your local rifle idea)? This could be a thing as POF gets better and more efficient with production, and as FN and POF jointly figure out getting cheaper materials and designs (only a matter of time)?

Well sir it is not actually MY idea. It is something that SOME people in key decision making posts and people with influence have in mind. I mean, there still are souls our there who will like to pursue an indigenous design. Reasons, i am not sure about but the route/path to that can be exactly same as you mentioned. Get ToT, get the techniques and technology and make some thousand of guns to get that local production going. Apply the ideas and skill acquired from that ToT in making a new design while keeping the line for imported design running for small batch induction in special units and for exports. Sounds interesting. The only thing is that the number of people in support of a local gun is not HUGE, they are not likely to have it there way but there surely would be talks and attempts made for that and we will all know about it then.

CSR™-20
The Future of Advanced Combat Precision Sniper Rifles

The FN CSR™-20, or Compact Sniper Rifle, is the future of advanced combat precision sniper rifles. Leveraging and improving upon combat-proven architecture of the FN SCAR® family of weapons, the FN CSR™-20 provides a highly reliable, accurate and modular weapon system designed for easy operator and armorer level maintenance. The FN CSR™-20 is chambered in 7.62x51mm, features a sub-MOA, 16-inch, cold hammer-forged, chrome-lined barrel, monolithic aluminum receiver, and non-folding stock with adjustable cheekpiece. *Product in development.

MK 20 SSR
Get long-range precision and close-in protection.
Now type-designated as the MK 20 SSR, the FN SCAR® Sniper Support Rifle (SSR) is a tailored design for long-range precision fire applications while also providing capability to fight close in. Based on the MK 17 SCAR® , the SSR is capable of sub-minute of angle accuracy out to and beyond 1,000 yards. The SSR features an extended receiver rail for mounting in-line night vision and thermal devices with standard/sniper optics. It features an enhanced trigger requiring no adjustments that is rugged enough for field use but precise enough for long-range target engagement. The proprietary barrel extension and barrel profile improve accuracy, and the fully-adjustable non folding stock enables the operator to optimize the rifle for firing position and body type. In October 2010, upon successful in-theater combat assessments, the FN SCAR® SSR was granted Milestone C (the acquisition phase associated with fielding/deployment).

What is the difference between above two Sniper Versions of SCAR. The above one was launched recently. @Arsalan

Not sure. But MK 20 SSR is being offered to Civilians as well so i would guess it is something related to firing mechanism! Auto vs Semi-Auto etc. Other then that both are Sniper Support Rifles, both are compact and can be used in close combat as well if push comes to shove.

Here, you may find this helpful. It shows the "similarities" and thus you may be able to identify any "differences" (if any in specs)