China's new 'carrier killer' for Pakistan's JF-17 Thunder fighter

[Blue Marlin]

whats the difference between the long fin missile and the short fin missile?

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

No you are over there... every ship is designed to face multiple threat... why you are thinking IN will give chance to get close to fire a missile??? Short range sams deployed in every ship for a reason... You are talking about a CBG... in case of War, they will be on high alert.... don't talk in unprofessional way... war scenario will be completely different from what you are thinking..

Agreed every ship is required to have counter weapons but there is a limit. If you see that Israel used the Iron dome system but what happened when more missiles were fired and overwhelmed the system. The main airport was closed though for some hours but that did show the loss of trust.

One has to realize that it is not a video game or a movie where one can have unlimited weapons and invincibility.

 

[DJ Crudept]

had dard ki d'va jf-17 hai

 

[Asad-Ali]

Kabooter ja ja ja ... Aik china killer bhe ly ja ja ja ... Indian ka AC tabah kr k aa aa aa
(,")/
<)(


Fazool main jf-17 bana leya hum ny 2,4 darjan kabooter rakh letey indian ki wese hi phat jani thi (-_+)

 

[ZAC1]

if missiles fired 150 kilomters away from AC there is no way migs can detech wether they are coming for us or AC no doubt air confrontation will happen losses will be from boht sides but in the end a well cordinated attack with subs in waters n carrier killer AC tata bye bye

 

[danger007]

Agreed every ship is required to have counter weapons but there is a limit. If you see that Israel used the Iron dome system but what happened when more missiles were fired and overwhelmed the system. The main airport was closed though for some hours but that did show the loss of trust.

One has to realize that it is not a video game or a movie where one can have unlimited weapons and invincibility.

So you wanna compare Iron dome with CBG??? See Hamas fired unguided rockets in huge numbers into a city... But what you are talking about CBG with sophisticated Radars, Sam, Guns, Jets... You are not attacking particular area.. you are going to attack a ship in huge ocean...

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

So you wanna compare Iron dome with CBG??? See Hamas fired unguided rockets in huge numbers into a city... But what you are talking about CBG with sophisticated Radars, Sam, Guns, Jets... You are not attacking particular area.. you are going to attack a ship in huge ocean...

Bro. what I wanted to convey is that every system has a limit.
The comparison was only based on the shear numbers not on accuracy.

Accuracy normally reduces the chances of interception because it is meant to have systems to counter or jam radars.

Do you think the IDF did not install sophisticated Radar to save their country men?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

You need a combination of HI Lo---you need a havy strike aircraft and and light aircraft---. A heavy like the JH7B that can carry 8 anti ship missile load is the need of the hour----.

You can compliment the strike with the smaller aircraft that can slip thru the enemy defences.

So---instead of send 24 JF 17's to launch 48 anti ship missiles----I would rather have 6 JH7B's launching the same number of missiles----.

The attrition rate will be the same---about 70-80%-----. So---out of 24 JF 17's---around 18 will be shot down---out of the 6 JH7B's---4 will be shot down.

Both the aircraft are the same price-----. 18 aircraft being shot down will be a tremendous blow----but not 4 aircraft---.

So---basically---the JF 17 is will be a great asset as a complimentary strike aircraft for naval missions and air cover---but not for strikes against ships all the time.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Just wait boys.....Naval version of JF17 will play a vital in PN.

 

[danger007]

Just wait boys.....Naval version of JF17 will play a vital in PN.

We have Mig 29 in IN.. more will be inducted soon..

 

[Sage]

Hi,

You need a combination of HI Lo---you need a havy strike aircraft and and light aircraft---. A heavy like the JH7B that can carry 8 anti ship missile load is the need of the hour----.

You can compliment the strike with the smaller aircraft that can slip thru the enemy defences.

So---instead of send 24 JF 17's to launch 48 anti ship missiles----I would rather have 6 JH7B's launching the same number of missiles----.

The attrition rate will be the same---about 70-80%-----. So---out of 24 JF 17's---around 18 will be shot down---out of the 6 JH7B's---4 will be shot down.

Both the aircraft are the same price-----. 18 aircraft being shot down will be a tremendous blow----but not 4 aircraft---.

So---basically---the JF 17 is will be a great asset as a complimentary strike aircraft for naval missions and air cover---but not for strikes against ships all the time.

Or may be we should have a bunch of J-11 B ....

 

[Viper0011.]

But now it seems that PN might be looking to have their own fighter fleet may be with Su-35s or possible is the 80-100 Su-27s with latest upgrades that might bring them close to the SU-35s. This will allow the PN to guard better.

Yes, the Naval Air Arm is a MUST and twin engines at that. Specially as Pakistan grows economically, it'll be the naval air arm which would not only defend Karchi and Gawader from inbound strikes, it would also keep other navies away just like we discussed above.

No destroyer or AC wants to see a barrage of 40 supersonic anti-ship missiles fired at it. The result of that situation is only one, significant damage or a hole that could flip the entire ship over pretty quickly. Also, remember, the Pakistani EEZ has been expanded out to like 350 nautical miles so that's a lot of additional area to keep your presence in. Deployed presence will all together destroy the idea of any blockade as outside of the USN, no other Navy can put a blockade on a country with the defending Navy and Subs deployed across 350 nautical miles.

 

[shaheenmissile]

had dard ki d'va jf-17 hai

Laikin Tejas nay jou India kou Dard dia. Uss ki koi dawa nahi

 

[black-hawk_101]

Yes, the Naval Air Arm is a MUST and twin engines at that. Specially as Pakistan grows economically, it'll be the naval air arm which would not only defend Karchi and Gawader from inbound strikes, it would also keep other navies away just like we discussed above.

No destroyer or AC wants to see a barrage of 40 supersonic anti-ship missiles fired at it. The result of that situation is only one, significant damage or a hole that could flip the entire ship over pretty quickly. Also, remember, the Pakistani EEZ has been expanded out to like 350 nautical miles so that's a lot of additional area to keep your presence in. Deployed presence will all together destroy the idea of any blockade as outside of the USN, no other Navy can put a blockade on a country with the defending Navy and Subs deployed across 350 nautical miles.

That's was the same thing that I was trying to tell. So with low budget; PN should go for the used SU-27s from Russia and Ukraine in numbers like 80-110+ of them.

With upgrades to the current airframe with canards and engines with avionics suite similar to SU-35s. The SU-27s can prove something very problematic for the enemy. Also it can take out more duties like bombing on terrorist hideouts in South region of the country like in Baluchistan & Sindh.

 

[Viper0011.]

That's was the same thing that I was trying to tell. So with low budget; PN should go for the used SU-27s from Russia and Ukraine in numbers like 80-110+ of them..

I agree numbers make sense. I don't think they'll put all SU-35 here. I think they'll put a squadron, supplemented by JFT's two or three squadrons. Which is still not bad actually. Although I'd rather see twin engines in numbers like you suggested.

Similarly, I think there is a need for twin engines in about 60-80 in numbers within the PAF too. The J-31, whenever acquired, will not be a jet for normal, daily flying and CAP stuff. It'll be a special purpose plane knowing how sacred PAF keeps these things. So you'd still need a jet to form the "high" tier.