Centre Decides on 20,000-cr Makeover for Army Air Arm

[Etilla]

use a neural sources not an Indian one i wont use a Pakistan sources as well

My sources are not wrong

 

[Jf Thunder]

please lets hear some specs

google it, or go to the Jf 17 information pool thread

 

[Etilla]

still a very large number of Indian vs paksitani


please lets hear some specs

Not 5 times the size as you been have shouting from rooftop to rooftop

 

[GURU DUTT]

say someone with Indian flags and an Arab child

well trustme wise guy your air force is screwed big time most of your F 16 blk 52 's radar and EW suites dont work 40% of there potntial deu to US bugs in them but u can dream same is with your air defence and even ballistik & cruise missiles other wise pakistan would have attacked india by now they dint cause they knew the ground realities

now the thread is about indian armies air wing welltrust me there plans are already in final stages and very soon indian army will have its very own miniair arm with dedicated tranport , attack and air defence departments

as for weponarry well we dont have to begforsoft loans or coilation support fund or hand owts by US AID or IMF to run owr goverment or by expensive militarry hardware and thats why france - germany/UK , russia- US or israel are willing and lining at owr door step and offering there best techs to us ..... ever wondered why

 

[N/A]

well trustme wise guy your air force is screwed big time most of your F 16 blk 52 's radar and EW suites dont work 40% of there potntial deu to US bugs in them but u can dream same is with your air defence and even ballistik & cruise missiles other wise pakistan would have attacked india by now they dint cause they knew the ground realities

now the thread is about indian armies air wing welltrust me there plans are already in final stages and very soon indian army will have its very own miniair arm with dedicated tranport , attack and air defence departments

as for weponarry well we dont have to begforsoft loans or coilation support fund or hand owts by US AID or IMF to run owr goverment or by expensive militarry hardware and thats why france - germany/UK , russia- US or israel are willing and lining at owr door step and offering there best techs to us ..... ever wondered why

who says our ew and radars dont work uhh

 

[bloo]

Indian resources have naturally refuted and denied PAF air superiority over the FIVE times larger IAF in the 65 and 71 wars. Indian and Pakistani claims and counter claims are pointless on this subject as they tend to be biased and blurred with nationalism. The only way to assess this is through the neutral and qualified international opinion, which has now become aviation history. Check out autobiography of Gen. Chuck Yeagers (yes, the one who broke the sound barrier), who 'refereed' the 1971 war and flew up and down the region collecting wreckage of IAF aircraft shot down by the PAF. Here is what he says, "the Pakistanis scored a three-to-one kill ratio knocking out 102 Indian jets and losing 34 of their own. I am certain about the figures because I went out several times a day in a chopper and counted the wrecks below. I counted wrecks, documented them by serial numbers, identified the components such as engines and rocket pods" Now he is not exactly a Pakistani, is he? Check out the following world reputed aviation journals. USA - Aviation week & space technology - December 1968 issue. "For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel. UK - Air International - November - 1991 " the average PAF pilot is almost certainly possessed of superior skills when compared with, say, an average American pilot. As to those who are rated above average, they compare favourably to the very best " Encyclopaedia of Aircraft printed in several countries by Orbis publications - Volume 5 "Pakistan's air force gained a remarkable victory over India in this brief 22 day war exploiting its opponents weaknesses in exemplary style - Deeply shaken by reverse, India began an extensive modernisation and training program, meanwhile covering its defeat with effective propaganda smoke screen. If you feel more at ease with German and French, then also checkout the followings Air Action (France) December 1988 and January 1989 Flugzeug (Germany) February (2) 1989 In addition to this, PAF put on show for inspection, its entire fleets after BOTH of the wars in presence of world dignitaries and aviation community. The five times bigger IAF should have annihilated the tiny PAF to prevent such displays!!!!!! Now these are FACTS - what rides on a wave of nationalism is just fiction.

Don't be a smartass.
You try to use a neutral source. This certainly doesn't seem like one.
Pakistan vs India | Save PAKISTAN, save the world!

 

[N/A]

who says our ew and radars dont work uhh

just look at the poor servibabilty of the su30mki

Even before an Indian Air Force (IAF) Sukhoi-30MKI crashed on October 14, near Lohegaon Air Base outside Pune, concern has been mounting over growing numbers of crashes, incidents involving engine failure, and the worrying fact that, at any given time, barely half the Su-30MKI fleet is available for combat missions.

According to ministry of defence (MoD) figures accessed by Business Standard, the serviceability rate of the Su-30MKI was just 48 per cent till last year. The remaining fighters were undergoing repair or maintenance.

Today, availability has risen slightly to 55 per cent, far lower than advanced western air forces, which generate 80-85 per cent availability rates. In terms of aircraft numbers, only 106 of the 193 Su-30MKIs that the IAF flies today would be available in war. The remaining 87 fighters, each worth Rs 358 crore at current prices, would remain on the ground.

"That's more than Rs 30,000 crore just sitting there in hangars," notes a senior MoD official.

Last month, The defence ministry held two high-level meetings to find solutions to this problem. According to figures presented in those meeting (a) 20 per cent of the fleet, i.e. some 39 Su-30MKIs, are undergoing "first line" and "second line" maintenance or inspections at any time, which is the IAF's responsibility; (b) Another 11-12 per cent of the fleet is undergoing major repair and overhaul by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL); and (c) 13-14 per cent of the fleet is grounded, awaiting major systems or repairs - the technical terms is: "aircraft on ground". For decades, IAF has accused HAL of poor workmanship and maintenance. At the MoD meeting on Su-30MKI serviceability, HAL turned the tables on the IAF.

MoD was informed about serious problems with IAF's management of spares. By standard norms, a fighter fleet consumes five per cent of its worth in consumables and spares each year. By that benchmark the Su-30MKI fleet, currently worth about Rs 69,000 crore - 193 Su-30MKIs at Rs 358 crore a fighter - should consume spares worth Rs 3,450 crore annually. Yet, IAF orders from HAL add up to less than Rs 50 crore, including ground handling equipment

Govt takes note of Su-30MKI's poor 'serviceability' | Business Standard News

 

[Etilla]

just look at the poor servibabilty of the su30mki

Even before an Indian Air Force (IAF) Sukhoi-30MKI crashed on October 14, near Lohegaon Air Base outside Pune, concern has been mounting over growing numbers of crashes, incidents involving engine failure, and the worrying fact that, at any given time, barely half the Su-30MKI fleet is available for combat missions.

According to ministry of defence (MoD) figures accessed by Business Standard, the serviceability rate of the Su-30MKI was just 48 per cent till last year. The remaining fighters were undergoing repair or maintenance.

Today, availability has risen slightly to 55 per cent, far lower than advanced western air forces, which generate 80-85 per cent availability rates. In terms of aircraft numbers, only 106 of the 193 Su-30MKIs that the IAF flies today would be available in war. The remaining 87 fighters, each worth Rs 358 crore at current prices, would remain on the ground.

"That's more than Rs 30,000 crore just sitting there in hangars," notes a senior MoD official.

Last month, The defence ministry held two high-level meetings to find solutions to this problem. According to figures presented in those meeting (a) 20 per cent of the fleet, i.e. some 39 Su-30MKIs, are undergoing "first line" and "second line" maintenance or inspections at any time, which is the IAF's responsibility; (b) Another 11-12 per cent of the fleet is undergoing major repair and overhaul by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL); and (c) 13-14 per cent of the fleet is grounded, awaiting major systems or repairs - the technical terms is: "aircraft on ground". For decades, IAF has accused HAL of poor workmanship and maintenance. At the MoD meeting on Su-30MKI serviceability, HAL turned the tables on the IAF.

MoD was informed about serious problems with IAF's management of spares. By standard norms, a fighter fleet consumes five per cent of its worth in consumables and spares each year. By that benchmark the Su-30MKI fleet, currently worth about Rs 69,000 crore - 193 Su-30MKIs at Rs 358 crore a fighter - should consume spares worth Rs 3,450 crore annually. Yet, IAF orders from HAL add up to less than Rs 50 crore, including ground handling equipment

Govt takes note of Su-30MKI's poor 'serviceability' | Business Standard News

Still more Su30's than you have 4th gen fighters

 

[N/A]

Don't be a smartass.
You try to use a neutral source.
Pakistan vs India | Save PAKISTAN, save the world!

most of sources in the paragraph are hard evidence from neutral sources...have you even read it

 

[GURU DUTT]

who says our ew and radars dont work uhh

when did i said they dont work read again son i aid they dont/cant work to there maximum efficiency as US has palced too many bugs in them as US dosent trust pakistan as pakistan has a history of selling US tech to chinese to reverse engineer and thats why all the blk52s you have are constantlli checked and re cheked by resident USAF officials of your air bases where your blk 52s are parked


as for indian mig29s , M2Ks andSu 30 Mkis well they are upgraded to there maximum level and we without the fear of US , russia or france or anyone else use and train in them both internali and with singaporeans & israelies (on F16 Blk 52 & sufa) as wellas USAF, RAF & Russian air force

 

[N/A]

Still more Su30's than you have 4th gen fighters

image how many su30 you are going to have during a war time...if you cant keep them ready during peace how are you gonna do it during war time

 

[bloo]

please lets hear some specs

Google it and see for yourself the superiority of IAF's equipment.

most of sources in the paragraph are hard evidence from neutral sources...have you even read it

Yes I did. SO?

 

[N/A]

well trustme wise guy your air force is screwed big time most of your F 16 blk 52 's radar and EW suites dont work 40% of there potntial deu to US bugs in them but u can dream same is with your air defence and even ballistik & cruise missiles other wise pakistan would have attacked india by now they dint cause they knew the ground realities

now the thread is about indian armies air wing welltrust me there plans are already in final stages and very soon indian army will have its very own miniair arm with dedicated tranport , attack and air defence departments

as for weponarry well we dont have to begforsoft loans or coilation support fund or hand owts by US AID or IMF to run owr goverment or by expensive militarry hardware and thats why france - germany/UK , russia- US or israel are willing and lining at owr door step and offering there best techs to us ..... ever wondered why

the paf sees the block52 as bounce aircraft, the backbone will be the black 2 and block 3 which are 90% as good as the block 52

 

[jaiind]

ARE YOU STUPD=ID INDIA DOESNT HAVE THE S300

you dumb,its not manmohan era...

 

[GURU DUTT]

image how many su30 you are going to have during a war time...if you cant keep them ready during peace how are you gonna do it during war time

well trust me we wont be begging PAF for any asitence


we still have 7 air bases with 18 MKIs each backed by 3 squads each of M2K -mig 29 and almost 150 bisons and jags rest all is for the north eastern theater