terror attack in xingjing 07.28

[BoQ77]

I disagree with you about consider Uyghurs as foreigner.

 

[TheTruth]

I disagree with you about consider Uyghurs as foreigner.

They're foreign invaders. Countless people were in Xinjiang before the Uyghur

 

[C130]

my condolences, terrorism is terrorism whether the attack is on a friend or foe.
but anyone else seeing the pattern here.
terrorist attack, government responds with a iron fist.
terrorist attack again, government responds maybe little harsher
so it goes on and on.
the PRC isn't in the wrong, but it's not going to solve the problem.

 

[GreenFoe]

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajiun !!

 

[Huaren]

Their ideal is the genocide of the true native people of Xinjiang. The Uyghur are foreigners.

They're foreign invaders. Countless people were in Xinjiang before the Uyghur

Unfortunately this "ideal" was already reached long time ago, while once they were foreign group they have already largely finished their genocide of the older native people of Xinjiang, those few who were left are all converted to the point of losing their ancient identity (and believes), not to mention the number was reduced to the point of extinction. Today only very few non uyghur minority groups still manage to hold out in the region (although they have all become islamic, they were still procecuted by the uyghurs), most could only do that in the north with the assistance of Han people. The reestablishment of chinese administration in the region might be the only thing saving them.

Today you can hardly find any native people of Xinjiang (older than the uyghurs), one have to admit that they were very efficient in what them do, just like other islamic forces in middle east or north africa. Han chinese can never keep up with such efficiency despite the fact of building up presence ever since 2nd century BC, spending almost 150 years just to build the first protectorate. Uyghur groups only showed up after 700 AD, and in just a few generations they managed to "wipe the slate clean" and establish themselves as the "true" native people of the region. What done is done and today nobody alive could challange the position of uyghur in Xinjiang. (Unless using the same old tactic they once did, but that would mean commiting crime against humanity. )

 

[sahaliyan]

Unfortunately this "ideal" was already reached long time ago, while once they were foreign group they have already largely finished their genocide of the older native people of Xinjiang, those few who were left are all converted to the point of losing their ancient identity (and believes), not to mention the number was reduced to the point of extinction. Today only very few non uyghur minority groups still manage to hold out in the region (although they have all become islamic, they were still procecuted by the uyghurs), most could only do that in the north with the assistance of Han people. The reestablishment of chinese administration in the region might be the only thing saving them.

Today you can hardly find any native people of Xinjiang (older than the uyghurs), one have to admit that they were very efficient in what them do, just like other islamic forces in middle east or north africa. Han chinese can never keep up with such efficiency despite the fact of building up presence ever since 2nd century BC, spending almost 150 years just to build the first protectorate. Uyghur groups only showed up after 700 AD, and in just a few generations they managed to "wipe the slate clean" and establish themselves as the "true" native people of the region. What done is done and today nobody alive could claim the position of uyghur in Xinjiang. (Unless using the same old tactic they once did, but that would mean commiting crime against humanity. )

Most Uyghurs are natives of Xinjiang,they just adopted a Turkic language,especially those in Kashgar and Gotan.The original Turkic people are Mongoloid,don't look like modern Uyghurs.
And in reality,the Uyghurs don't call themselves Uyghurs until 1930s,Uyghur is an old name for the Buddhist Turkic people in east Xinjiang(Turpan and Hami),after the disappear of Buddhism in Xinjiang,no one call themselves Uyghurs.After 1930,the Soviet invested the Uyghur label for the people of southern Xinjiang,and they adopted it,in reality,only the people of Turpan and Hami are true descendants of anciet Uyghurs

 

[Huaren]

Most ,they just adopted a Turkic language,especially those in Kashgar and Gotan.The original Turkic people are Mongoloid,don't look like modern Uyghurs.
And in reality,the Uyghurs don't call themselves Uyghurs until 1930s,Uyghur is an old name for the Buddhist Turkic people in east Xinjiang(Turpan and Hami),after the disappear of Buddhism in Xinjiang,no one call themselves Uyghurs.After 1930,the Soviet invested the Uyghur label for the people of southern Xinjiang,and they adopted it,in reality,only the people of Turpan and Hami are true descendants of anciet Uyghurs

No doubt today all the uyghurs are natives of Xinjiang, after all they have been there for many generations and that alone would seal their position. But it is not a simple adoption of foreign culture, it was accomplished by the invasion ever since the day of old uyghur Khaganate from which their identity was shaped and forced upon, building their own kingdoms on the ruins of pre uyghur states.

It is true that the islamization only happened in the tenth century, but their methodes of "converting" the land were just as brutal before and afterward, true to their heiritage of steppe powers.

 

[C130]

They're foreign invaders. Countless people were in Xinjiang before the Uyghur

for instance the Zhunghar people. didn't the Manchu with the help of the Uyghurs slaughter over 600,000 of them and enslave their woman, and settle their lands.

cold blooded.

 

[Huaren]

for instance the Zhungar people. didn't the Manchu with the help of the Uyghurs slaughter over 600,000 of them and enslave their woman, and settle their lands.

cold blooded.

Cold blooded and cunning is how things gets done in the old days, in this case Uyghurs and Qing ruler reached a deal to wipe out common rival.

 

[sahaliyan]

No doubt today all the uyghurs are natives of Xinjiang, after all they have been there for many generations and that alone would seal their position. But it is not a simple adoption of foreign culture, it was accomplished by the invasion ever since the day of old uyghur Khaganate from which their identity was shaped and forced upon, building their own kingdoms on the ruins of pre uyghur states.

It is true that the islamization only happened in the tenth century, but their methodes of "converting" the land were just as brutal before and afterward, true to their heiritage of steppe powers.

But the thing is the anciet Uyghurs only built their kingdom in east Xinjiang,while the west Xinjiang was ruled by Qara Khanate,founded by Karluk people,the modern Uyghur culture is a product of the Qara Khanate,and most Uyghurs have nothing to do with anciet Uyghurs

 

[kalu_miah]

@sahaliyan @Huaren Mongol rulers in the area adopted Islam fairly late and then forced the Turfan Uyghurs to Islam.
Moghulistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Buddhist kingdom in Beijiang centered around Turfan was the only area where the people were identified as "Uyghurs" after the Islamic invasions.[9] The broader Turfan area was bordered by Nanjiang to the west, the Tian Shan to the north, the Kunlun Shan to the south, and the principality of Hami. In 1513 Hami became a dependency of Turfan and remained so until the end of Moghul rule. As a result, the Moghuls became direct neighbors of Ming China. Although the term "Uyghurstan" was used for the Turfan city-state, the term is confused in Muslim sources with Cathay. The Uyghur khans had voluntarily become Mongol vassals during the reign of Genghis Khan and as a result were allowed to retain their territories. As the Mongol Empire was split up in the middle of the 13th century, the Xinjiang region was assigned to the Chagatayids. The power of the Uyghur khans slowly declined under Mongol rule until the last recorded khan was forcibly converted to Islam in the 1380s or 90s. After the 15th it seems to have been subjected to direct Moghul rule, and a separate Moghul Khanate was established there in mid-15th century. After the Islamization of Turfan, the non-Islamic term "Uyghur" would disappear until the Chinese Nationalist leader Sheng Shicai, following the Soviet Union, introduced it for a different, Muslim population in 1934.[9]"

 

[Ahiska]

No doubt today all the uyghurs are natives of Xinjiang, after all they have been there for many generations and that alone would seal their position. But it is not a simple adoption of foreign culture, it was accomplished by the invasion ever since the day of old uyghur Khaganate from which their identity was shaped and forced upon, building their own kingdoms on the ruins of pre uyghur states.

It is true that the islamization only happened in the tenth century, but their methodes of "converting" the land were just as brutal before and afterward, true to their heiritage of steppe powers.

The oldest natives were the Tocharian that were absorbed into the Uyghur people.
Genetic tests revealed that Uyghurs are genetically 50% East Asian and 50% European

 

[B+ Dracula]

CHINESE PUZZLE TO SOLVE:
its sometimes seemz very difficult for non mulims to understand whats going on in muslim mind, they support terrorism ,or not ,viceversa scenarios???

Muslims are divided into 3 Groups, Sunni & Shia islam (known to everybody), followers of both sects take direction from their source country, Like Shias of world follow Iran(not 100% but majority) ....etc
then comes last group known as KHAWARJIS
They are Evil Group of So-called muslims who run their side of business by imposing their radical interpretation about Islam, they've following characteristics
a) They appear to be Muslim but wont follow Islamic Guidance "criterions of islam"
b) They want Civil Unrest at all cost bcoz radicalisation keeps them in momentum
c) They work in Groups e.g ISIS / Al Qaeda / Ughurs terrorist group
d) They declare other muslims KAFIRS (non pious)
by doing this cleverly gain grounds of killing others, like Pakistan/Turkey are supporting NATO/US so we become KAFIR in their eye, moreover they term our system as Un-islamic e.g western Democracy or Capitalism etc etc
e) Killing Innocent & Suicide are HARAM in Islam but They dont follow System or Hierarchy , that give them License to kill in the name of Religion, like blowing themselves in Crowd, rightnow ISIS poodles blowing Masjid/Shrines & killing Innocent muslim civilians in Iraq & Syria
f) KHAWARJIS are not new, they appear many times before with different Objectives, they best work in High Political Chaos Like they appear after death of Muhammad (PBUH) & 1000AD (time of Crusade) they attempted to kill muslim hero Saladin who narrowly escaped them.
g) They accept no Authority other then themselves, they r known to the fact that PROPHET will not come again to tell them ur doing wrong, so they mis-represent / mis-quote Verses of Quran to prove their side of arguments.

MISCONCEPTION:
a) No Mercy for Ughurs if they choose to commit suicide which cost other civilians lives too
b) Dont confuse Wahabi Islam as total radical Group, Talibans are not wahabi by sect but they are fighting in Afghanistan bcoz foreign forces invaded their land
c) Prior to 911 attacks Wahabi fighters have No-History of blowing themselves in Crowd taking innocent civilians, most recent example was USSR aghan jihad
d) 911 attacks of America was Inside JOB its not done by MUSLIMS ....
After 12 Years, It Is Time for the Truth! | Dave Hodges – The Common Sense Show

Wrong. Taliban established in 1990's. It's a production of Wahhabi thought expansion. Pakistan however was the major supporter of Taliban. Later Pakistan had to eat the bitter fruit planted by herself.

Talibans r not wahabi by sect
NATO failed to compel talibans.....NATO have to leave sooner or later, but we;ve to LIVE

Right ? I remeber Taliban begin in 1980s the Cold War to against Soviet Union, maybe im mistake.

Taliban emerged in 90's in retaliation for Local WAr Lords, they're not Wahabi by sect but that word has become Brand for non-muslims to judge radical islam

 

[cnleio]

What 7.29 happened in South XinJiang, Elixku town ?

7.29, 02~03am, there'r 200x Uygur terrorists attacked Elixku town and another two towns, killed all town policemen, village committee staffs and village cadres.

7.29, 05~06am 1,000x Uygur mobs and terrorists attack vehicles on roads and killing passengers.

China news only reported 59x Uygur terrorists got shoot by armed police forces, but didn't report detail casualties like before. It's obviously there'r hundreds of innocents killed by 1,000x Uygur mobs and terrorists on roads and in local government buildings of three towns.

This attack as cruel & bloody as last 2009.7.5 attack in Urumchi. Uygur terrorists killed all staffs in three towns.

7月29日凌晨........2时--3时，200多名叛匪袭击了艾力西湖乡及其他2个乡，将乡派出所人员，村委会人员，驻村干部全部杀害；凌晨5时--6时，这200多名叛匪又裹胁800多名村民在巴莎公路上设路障，打、砸、烧来往车辆，其中有2辆拉四川民工的大班车上的民工全部被杀。。。。7时喀什武警4支队和6师赶到时1000多名叛匪和被裹胁的村民与部队对峙，叛匪把小孩推到前面还向部队进攻，部队不好下手，所以叛匪进攻了3次才被击毙了40多名，这次叛乱仅次于7.5事件，三个乡的基层组织除去参加喀交会的还在外，几乎被一锅端。
一万人武警师围剿《这1000多叛匪为何还要活捉》？

In South XinJiang, China has a WAR ! CPC hide it as usual.

 

[Phukimak]

My parents about to have a tour in china this December.. I think they should review their plan..
It's not funny if somebody emerges and yelling allahuakbuar and slaughter people around..
China need to take this seriously.. In long term can hurt china tourism