India sabotages the future of humanity and planet earth

[Gasht]

The other nations includes China, Russia and Brazil as well. Singling out India is certainly not a sign of maturity.

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India is the main driving force which contributed to the discord in climate talks in cophenhagane, by employing china as the Straw-man, using the same (falsies and mythes) arguments as many users on this forum are employing.

China:
china has many companies who have initiated future technologies to curve CO2 levels

Brazil
Brazil has already established several government programs to eliminate fossil fuels (ethanol and protection of the Amazon and such..

Russia
Russia CO2 levels are decreasing due to slumping economy and and since it’s such vast country in terms of land mass and decreasing population Russia has very littler affect on the total CO2 output

Russia would of gained carbon tax credit if they agreement materialized

please elighten us of indian CO2 reduction programs.... hard right because there are NONE..... ZERO, Incredibly regard-full and responsible of an asipiring super-power ????

the only major country in the world which has zero emission reduction programs=India

India had the most to lose as stated by India's Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh himself (not my words so i'm not indian bashing instead stating facts) if the ojeective of the climat talks of binding treaty had succeeded in it's full objective.


It’s funny how you say other countries were the main perpetrators. I remember having a discussion with high ranking foreign official (non-Pakistani) And his comments on the Indian diplomats was they would always pull the strings of other states never present their own intentions but deploy others to achieve their objectives while insisting of an impartial position and blaming others of failures to reach accords.(typical Indian tactic of using others to achieve their personal gain, it’s ingrained in their society and culture

his exact words were “they say one thing and do the other while promoting pacifist vegetarian virtues”, “very tricky hypocrites”

And how India is subotaging the future of humanity??:wave

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please read above and the original post.( i don't have the capacity to spell out for you.

by sabotaging global emission caps. If not implemented will destroy plant species, animals and flood major cities and etc.. Eventually setting off extinction of mankind, if you think I am making this up or India bashing read up on global warming... Global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Human extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It sometimes surprises me that their is so much hatred between India and Pakistan that people from other side of border see everything in a negative light.

I mean this deal which BRIC nations are trying to get is supposed to help Pakistan too unless they have started considering themselves as a developed nation. But irony of the situation is that just to get one post of India bashing you just remove all the good that this can do for developing nations and just take the bad and dump all that on one nation - India ofcourse ignoring other nations since bashing China is a hara-kiri.



I hope most of the educated Pakistani members would not think on the same line as the OP. I mean we do have lot of differences but their are common interests that we share too and standing together for them won't cause loss of pride or be seen as a sign of defeat.

Probably used the same sly argument to lure china into becoming the vocal opponent of the talks. And probably laughed at the Chinese behind their backs for taking the bait... and burdening all the blame on them

Don’t associate us with you Indians. Pakistan is in support of a binding agreement on C02s reduction. and a being stewardess of the planet we live on...

Great.. communist its about sabotaging the Copenhagen meeting ..Obviously if you read newspapers you know which are the countries involved in it which the thread starter decide to avoid conveniently...Offcource we had our reasons to fight against the western countries because BRIC countries intentions are clear Devalo ped nations also should take some responsibilities not all should be in the shoulders of Devaloping nations..

The backdoor dealing and wheeling of government leaders and dignitaries isn’t disclosed to the general public

It was a good example for how devaloping and third world nations can work together and can fight against the hypocrisies of western nations but the thread starter tried to degrade it in to a anti India bashing ...

So the first world has the responsibility of reducing CO2 while the rest of third world keeps on destroying the planet. I guess now I understand why they call it the Third world

tried to degrade it in to a anti India bashing ...

maybe you should visit some indian forum and enlighten us about Pakistan bashing (jab hood laagi thi phir bari thakleef tho thi hai)

My dear Gasht

These days India and China are developing economies. And they are developing fast. It is a well known fact that in 50 years they will be the major economic engines of the world. At that time, when India and China and Brazil etc have all the technologies to keep the environment clean and safe despite operating heavy industries, every nation will sing the environment song in unison.

At that time, when Pakistan's economy takes its pace, and begins to set up heavy industries, no one will lend it either the technologies, or the ear to justify its polluting the environment. At that time, Pakistan will be forced to buy such technologies at formidable costs and conditions, or to slow its economic growth considerably, making the lives of its citizens even more miserable. So today, either you join us for your own benefit, or you may just keep out your irresponsible and utterly foolish counterproductive efforts.

Don’t associate us with you Indians. Pakistan is in support of a binding agreement on C02 reductions. And a being stewardess of the planet we live on...

Because when the clout of Obama/Brown/Hillary could not do anything, what stone you think your dumb rhetoric on defence.pk is going to move?

Chill out dude, don't give the world a chance to laugh at you, you represent Pakistan here. And so do you, Communist guy.

Typical Indian... you'd make a good indian diplomat...

Very Very cleaver, thank you come again

 

[Bushy]

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Don’t associate us with you Indians. Pakistan is in support of a binding agreement on C02 reductions. And a being stewardess of the planet we live on...



Typical Indian... you'd make a good indian diplomat...

Very Very cleaver, thank you come again

Perhaps you missed out on my previous post... Let me post it again to show you how the attitude in Pakistan's intellectual circle goes in contrast with yours...

This is what the Pakistani newspapers had to say: -

Pakistan will also be attending this December's talks in Copenhagen. It remains an opportunity for this Islamic Republic to take a role of leadership on the issue of internationally binding emission reductions as a means of making the international community wake up to its over-arching moral obligations. This is certainly an area where Pakistan can rally support from other developing countries to speak with one voice on the historical and international responsibilities industrialized nations have towards the poor of developing countries.

 

[mrwarrior006]

the topic is misleading

largest polluters of the world are america and china-20% each
so who are sabotaging u decide

and i left europe which also accounts for polluting
after polluting they want developing nations to do more and wat about themselves

africa called this deal bad not for earth but for the country who signed it
so how come we are sabotaging when we ar taking the pain in order atleast take a step by curtaling our development

 

[Gasht]

The US knows who is doing what.

CIA knows how sincere China is in its efforts.

Green efforts spring from Chinese desert

Green efforts spring from Chinese desert - USATODAY.com

And the source is not Xinhua, rather USA today.

Don’t let them discourage you, your adovacting the betterment of humanity which Indians very much lack in comprehension and desire

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Work on Gas pipe line from Iran , Use CNG for cars, so GAS PIPE line is a green project , go for it PLZZZZZZZZZZ for mother earth.

 

[Communist]

Don’t let them discourage you, your adovacting the betterment of humanity which Indians very much lack in comprehension and desire

Earlier I had wanted to speak on behalf of our environment who has been victimized. But Indian members then dragged China into the discussion and I was left with no other option than to defend China's position.

I am sorry.

 

[Hulk]

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India is the main driving force which contributed to the discord in climate talks in cophenhagane, by employing china as the Straw-man, using the same (falsies and mythes) arguments as many users on this forum are employing.

China:
china has many companies who have initiated future technologies to curve CO2 levels

Brazil
Brazil has already established several government programs to eliminate fossil fuels (ethanol and protection of the Amazon and such..

Russia
Russia CO2 levels are decreasing due to slumping economy and and since it’s such vast country in terms of land mass and decreasing population Russia has very littler affect on the total CO2 output

Russia would of gained carbon tax credit if they agreement materialized

please elighten us of indian CO2 reduction programs.... hard right because there are NONE..... ZERO, Incredibly regard-full and responsible of an asipiring super-power ????

the only major country in the world which has zero emission reduction programs=India

India had the most to lose as stated by India's Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh himself (not my words so i'm not indian bashing instead stating facts) if the ojeective of the climat talks of binding treaty had succeeded in it's full objective.


It’s funny how you say other countries were the main perpetrators. I remember having a discussion with high ranking foreign official (non-Pakistani) And his comments on the Indian diplomats was they would always pull the strings of other states never present their own intentions but deploy others to achieve their objectives while insisting of an impartial position and blaming others of failures to reach accords.(typical Indian tactic of using others to achieve their personal gain, it’s ingrained in their society and culture

his exact words were “they say one thing and do the other while promoting pacifist vegetarian virtues”, “very tricky hypocrites”



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please read above and the original post.( i don't have the capacity to spell out for you.

by sabotaging global emission caps. If not implemented will destroy plant species, animals and flood major cities and etc.. Eventually setting off extinction of mankind, if you think I am making this up or India bashing read up on global warming... Global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Human extinction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia







Probably used the same sly argument to lure china into becoming the vocal opponent of the talks. And probably laughed at the Chinese behind their backs for taking the bait... and burdening all the blame on them

Don’t associate us with you Indians. Pakistan is in support of a binding agreement on C02s reduction. and a being stewardess of the planet we live on...



The backdoor dealing and wheeling of government leaders and dignitaries isn’t disclosed to the general public



So the first world has the responsibility of reducing CO2 while the rest of third world keeps on destroying the planet. I guess now I understand why they call it the first world



maybe you should visit some indian forum and enlighten us about Pakistan bashing (jab hooth laagi thi phir bari thakleef tho thi hai)



Don’t associate us with you Indians. Pakistan is in support of a binding agreement on C02 reductions. And a being stewardess of the planet we live on...



Typical Indian... you'd make a good indian diplomat...

Very Very cleaver, thank you come again

I was not aware, you were part of these discussions to know it so well. So tell us more, now even China is following India.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Earlier I had wanted to speak on behalf of our environment who has been victimized. But Indian members then dragged China into the discussion and I was left with no other option than to defend China's position.

I am sorry.

Communist, world is suffering because of this capitalist greed socialist are coming back in Europe like in Spain and France and also in South America even Obama Heath care is socialist thing (welfare) . The Green revolution is anti Capitalist so India won't like it.

 

[Bushy]

Even much before the Copenhagen meet...

China and US held secret talks on climate change deal | World news | guardian.co.uk

You don't have to be so hell bent at proving my point, at least you should have read the news before posting it.

Quoting the crux from the same news:

The two sides began discussing ways to break through the impasse, including the possibility that China would agree to voluntary – but verifiable – reductions of greenhouse gas emissions. China has rejected the possibility of cuts as it sees that as a risk to its continued economic growth, deemed essential to lift millions out of poverty and advance national status.

Now do you see how in Copenhagen their collusion fell apart? The two most polluting countries of the world trying to make a secret deal there at the insistence of the Bush administration, not Obama's. I can see how you have developed a liking to Bush and his majorly ridiculed policies. Did you find it hard to read in that news?

Coincidentally, I found another piece of news in that same link you provided... And puhleeessee... do read it before you post anything!!!

China alone could bring world to brink of climate calamity, says US official | Environment | guardian.co.uk


Now you see what I have been suggesting you all along... Please do read before you post!!!

P.S. The world of internet is rife with truth and maturity. Make a good use of your bandwidth.

 

[Hulk]

Perhaps you missed out on my previous post... Let me post it again to show you how the attitude in Pakistan's intellectual circle goes in contrast with yours...

hahahha

my goodness.

 

[Nemesis]

Let us not ponder over the opinions of our dear "communist" friend too seriously. His "brilliant" and "insightful" posts resulted in his banning a few months ago. I, however, am glad he's back.

There is no reason to debate this , most of the developing world is in agreement with both China and India on this issue. Funnily enough, the coperhagen summit actually helped India-China relations. We were both united in our attempts to block American and EU bullying. In fact, our PM met the Chinese premier on the sidelines, and said something to the effect " We are completely behind China 100%"

 

[Iggy]

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The backdoor dealing and wheeling of government leaders and dignitaries isn’t disclosed to the general public

well why dont you disclose it??The backdoor dealing and wheeling help third world countries escape from the burden which is unacceptable and impracticable to them

So the first world has the responsibility of reducing CO2 while the rest of third world keeps on destroying the planet. I guess now I understand why they call it the first world

Did i said only the first world has the responsibilities?? Read my posts before opening the mouth..

Offcource we had our reasons to fight against the western countries because BRIC countries intentions are clear Devalo ped nations also should take some responsibilities not all should be in the shoulders of Devaloping nations.

Now tell me where did i tell that only devaloped countries should do all the work??I said its unacceptable only to burden developing nations instead devaloped nations should also face some responsibilities and share the loss cause by the emission cuts..

maybe you should visit some indian forum and enlighten us about Pakistan bashing (jab hood laagi thi phir bari thakleef tho thi hai)

may be you should also visit some other Pakistani forums too..you will get a general idea..

Typical Indian... you'd make a good indian diplomat...

Very Very cleaver, thank you come again

typical Pakistani

can be a future Zaid Hamid..very very crooked ..keep on twisting the facts..


Its our pleasure to be here man

 

[mrwarrior006]

@gasht
please elighten us of indian CO2 reduction programs.... hard right because there are NONE..... ZERO, Incredibly regard-full and responsible of an asipiring super-power ????

we are improving our capcity to produce cleaner energy through reactors and solar and wind energy

thanks to nuke deal we are buying and building lot of reactors

hence making us independent of our fossil fuels one must not forget india still uses coal as an source of energy in large numbers


India to invest Rs 74,000 cr in CO2 emission cutbacks

 

[Dawkins]

WOW!!! The ignorance displayed here is astonishing.

Never mind the fact that prior CO2 emissions stay in the atmosphere 50-200 years affecting current climate.

Never mind the fact that the developed countries accounted for 80% of the emissions for decades which affect us now because of the first fact.

Never mind the fact that China & USA each emits 5 times what India does .. It was that damn India which sabotaged the future of humanity

 

[Iggy]

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please elighten us of indian CO2 reduction programs.... hard right because there are NONE..... ZERO, Incredibly regard-full and responsible of an asipiring super-power ????

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