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Well, why did he restore the democracy then? . He could have ruled instead of asking his guys to go back to barracks . Doesnt add up!!
Bangladeshis demand trial of Gen (retd) Moeen U Ahmed
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Well, why did he restore the democracy then? . He could have ruled instead of asking his guys to go back to barracks . Doesnt add up!!
That is because you probably don't live in the common world. And who was he to have a CT GOB at the first place? Furthermore, didn't he break his sacred oath with the country by snatching the power from IUA on 1/11, 07? And in what part of the constitution, CT got the free ride to stay in power for almost 2 years? BTW if you thought that the people of the BD were living in stone age or PAK era to believe on MUA's phony achievements then be my guest but the reality was different, my friend. Khaleda's tenure expired on OCT. 27, 06 and on OCT.28, 06 MUA and his co-conspirators led RAWAMY goons to run havoc in the country through lathi-baitha in order to generate CREATIVE CHAOS. Creation of the anarchy and Shock scenario were part of the plan to prohibit K M Hassan to take power as CT GOB. After succeeding on that, he and his cronies gradually cleansed BNP base from BD by the shrewdest, deceptive and cruelest ways known to mankind. Was he that genius to ride the boat with such cunning-nerve? His record showed otherwise though. That meant his INDO-ISRO buddies from back guided him on it. And arresting some AL leaders was like practicing infamous trick of the "Art of the war" (Sacrifice your own pawn in your timing and choosing to bring the war climate in your favor).
Now listened to this, like I rebutted your B.S on partial post, I could do on each and every B.S that you were disseminating here but I didn't get paid for it and time was scarce for me. So, spare us from writing more B.S, please.
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Recently gaddar moeen attended an Awami gathering in the state. He was able to flee the country safely with La-Hasina's direct help. He is a self proclaimed illegitimate son of mujib as he called him 'father of awami nation' thus it's expected that this gaddar had something to do with awami's fake land slide victory in the last election even though awamis are well known anti-Islamic force in Muslim Bangladesh. No mumin musalman could have vote for them dalal munafiq because awami want's to implement a Hindu based society in the name of Bengali culture.
Let this short gaddar come back to country so he shall meet Izrael in first hand.
Let this short gaddar come back to country so he shall meet Izrael in first hand.
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I would like to point out one aspect of CTG. This military backed govt was arresting all the BNP and AL political crooks, but it was not arresting any of the Jamaatis. So, the AL newspapers were ranting about this and were complaining that MUA is, in reality, a Jamaat sympathizer in disguise. They were weeping for the future of the country.
In fact, Jamaatis were not corrupt, they were honest in doing their govt jobs. Corrupts were BNP and AL crooks. When these crooks could not make the CTG to arrest any of Jamaatis, they started the movement of 'War crime trial.' Many of the old Jamaatis were involved in war crimes in 1971.
Now, after the election when people voted for AL, the same MUA has become villain in the eyes of those who were praising him for not arresting the Jamaatis. Someone should remember what Selucus had said about all of us a few thousand years ago.
I am a small fry to criticize others' viewpoint, but I believe an international discussion forum is not a venue to propagate one's personal and narrow political views. I try to be neutral as much as it is possible in my assessment of other people. I think, we should see good things in an important person, because every person is a sinner.
Because we do not appreciate a good person's good quality, therefore, Allah probably sends Mir Zafar and Mir Habib (who?) among us, so that we can see things in its proper perspective, and understand the distinction between good and evil. But, alas we have not changed that much.
No amount of bad propaganda will bring curse to MUA from an ordinary person (not a GOAT?) like me. Allah is the witness to what good really he did to the country. At least, now we have freedom to criticize him. MUA may have done one mistake, he should have retained the political power like Gen. Ershad did. He did not do so, probably because he did not want to be termed as a BE-HAYA by the population. By criticizing him, some are spitting in the sky, but it comes down to their own faces.
In fact, Jamaatis were not corrupt, they were honest in doing their govt jobs. Corrupts were BNP and AL crooks. When these crooks could not make the CTG to arrest any of Jamaatis, they started the movement of 'War crime trial.' Many of the old Jamaatis were involved in war crimes in 1971.
Now, after the election when people voted for AL, the same MUA has become villain in the eyes of those who were praising him for not arresting the Jamaatis. Someone should remember what Selucus had said about all of us a few thousand years ago.
I am a small fry to criticize others' viewpoint, but I believe an international discussion forum is not a venue to propagate one's personal and narrow political views. I try to be neutral as much as it is possible in my assessment of other people. I think, we should see good things in an important person, because every person is a sinner.
Because we do not appreciate a good person's good quality, therefore, Allah probably sends Mir Zafar and Mir Habib (who?) among us, so that we can see things in its proper perspective, and understand the distinction between good and evil. But, alas we have not changed that much.
No amount of bad propaganda will bring curse to MUA from an ordinary person (not a GOAT?) like me. Allah is the witness to what good really he did to the country. At least, now we have freedom to criticize him. MUA may have done one mistake, he should have retained the political power like Gen. Ershad did. He did not do so, probably because he did not want to be termed as a BE-HAYA by the population. By criticizing him, some are spitting in the sky, but it comes down to their own faces.
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He did not have any choice. Not any single world body would except him. Just suddenly he become a hero of AL and India that does not mean he is patriotic person. We will question all the people supported by india. Period.
On the top of that he tried everything he possibly could to stay on power. Some of those cunning acts were forming King party through Ferdous Koreshey, Breaking BNP, AL up to create so-called progressive Jago Bangladeshis, sending Khaleda exile etc. After failing in everything, he became prophetic but an Awamy one though.
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Well, If i go by your logic, being a Indian "Hero", he would have got Indian support , which would have sufficed. He could have "ruled" your country like Mush. Still, Doesnt add up.
Never will in indian calculation and logic.
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You are most welcome to prove your point, if you can or if you will. Taking pot shots like a lame, as you did, suffices only in this forum. Try doing this (say maybe in Indian forum) and calculate how many hours you can survive with such poop.
If you are a Bangla speaker you will know the meaning of 'nachte na janle uthan baka.' It means, a dancer blames the floor for her poor performances. This is what is happening to a group of people in BD. They are blaming CTG and gen. Moeen for the defeat in the election. They very carefully avoid to mention that the last BNP govt was the most corrupt after the collapse of 1972-1975 govt.
Population have reflected their displeasure by voting against them. But, the blind supporters are blaming on the CTG and Gen. Moeen. Moeen is bad because he cancelled 10 million FALSE VOTERS from the voter list. The then ruling Party was depending upon this 10 million voters and their billion dollar budget to win.
But, in a changed situation, BNP also failed to distribute the cash money. It is not bad, that money would be earning many hundred million dollars of INTEREST in foreign Banks in the next five years. So, I ask them why are you lamenting? BNP will still be earning money.
To get votes BNP should have worked for the country. But, instead, it worked only to fill their pockets. The result is the loss in election. BNP won only 29 seats and the rezakar Jamaat took two seats. We need another Gen. Moeen before the next election so that the present AL money stealing projects are also exposed to the people. However, AL is treading very carefully.
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Why Hasina refuses to prosecute Gen. Moeen, Fakhruddin?
Tuesday October 06 2009 13:41:57 PM BDT
Bangladesh is now faced with a potentially serious problem where the legality of the government's past and present will be questioned. The big question will be: "Did the elections that bring the incumbent Government into office reflect the people's will or were they stage-managed to bring a particular party into power?" If it could prove beyond reasonable doubt that the results of the past general elections were manipulated, a question may be asked if the Government that was elected is legal?
Then there is the question of international recognition. Our elections are deemed valid if they are validated by the US, the EU and their cohorts. Our December 2008 elections were also validated by this group and our Prime Minister has reaffirmed that our last elections were accepted by the "international community".
The same community has also validated the elections held in Egypt, Iraq and Afghanistan. Lest we forget that the same "international community" did not validate the election results of Algeria decades ago when the anti-West parties had swept the polls there. This "international community" has also validated all despotic governments of South and Central America, Africa, Middle East and Asia. It is therefore hardly reassuring that this same "international community" has validated our present government, as proudly claimed by the Prime Minister.
For a long time the West had ganged up on the rest of the world but the winds of change is now beginning to blow, albeit softly. The Group of 7 (later 8) has now transformed itself into the Group of 20 as the former colonial powers and the neo-colonial powers are giving way to the emerging nations. Unfortunately this Group of 20 still reflects those countries which are in the good books of the Group of 7. So much for the certification by the so-called "international community", what, however, is needed is the acceptance by the people of the country that the December elections were fair. Lack of democratic practice within our two major political parties is the main culprit responsible for the lack of democracy in the country. This is coupled with the use of the services of the military intelligence agencies in reining in the recalcitrant politicians, a practice dating back from the days of Field Marshal Ayub Khan. Some politicians do rebel and speak out as Z A Bhutto did, precipitating the fall of the Ayub regime and more recently M A Jalil, pulling the plug on the elections that brought the Awami League to power for the second time.
Jalil has only confirmed what most non partisan elements have been suspecting all along, that the December elections did not reflect the will of the people in so far as the size of the "Maha Jote" victory was concerned. It is unlikely that Jalil will be able to substantiate his claims that the Interim Government and the military intelligence manipulated the results, just as no corruption charge have ever been proved against politicians, but the stigma has largely been established.
Jalil has since retracted his statement but the cat is out of the bag. Furthermore, in his attempt to disprove Jalil and to destroy his credibility, the Awami League General Secretary and senior Minister of the Government, Sayed Ashraful Islam confirmed that the powers that be at the time had offered Sheikh Hasina to become the Prime Minister of the country without any elections and when this is read in conjunction with the Prime Minister's own statement, "I know how to make deals" and her strong refusal to take action against Moeen U Ahmed and Fakhruddin Ahmed for their extra-constitutional activities only adds to the credibility of Jalil's statement.
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Tuesday October 06 2009 13:41:57 PM BDT
Bangladesh is now faced with a potentially serious problem where the legality of the government's past and present will be questioned. The big question will be: "Did the elections that bring the incumbent Government into office reflect the people's will or were they stage-managed to bring a particular party into power?" If it could prove beyond reasonable doubt that the results of the past general elections were manipulated, a question may be asked if the Government that was elected is legal?
Then there is the question of international recognition. Our elections are deemed valid if they are validated by the US, the EU and their cohorts. Our December 2008 elections were also validated by this group and our Prime Minister has reaffirmed that our last elections were accepted by the "international community".
The same community has also validated the elections held in Egypt, Iraq and Afghanistan. Lest we forget that the same "international community" did not validate the election results of Algeria decades ago when the anti-West parties had swept the polls there. This "international community" has also validated all despotic governments of South and Central America, Africa, Middle East and Asia. It is therefore hardly reassuring that this same "international community" has validated our present government, as proudly claimed by the Prime Minister.
For a long time the West had ganged up on the rest of the world but the winds of change is now beginning to blow, albeit softly. The Group of 7 (later 8) has now transformed itself into the Group of 20 as the former colonial powers and the neo-colonial powers are giving way to the emerging nations. Unfortunately this Group of 20 still reflects those countries which are in the good books of the Group of 7. So much for the certification by the so-called "international community", what, however, is needed is the acceptance by the people of the country that the December elections were fair. Lack of democratic practice within our two major political parties is the main culprit responsible for the lack of democracy in the country. This is coupled with the use of the services of the military intelligence agencies in reining in the recalcitrant politicians, a practice dating back from the days of Field Marshal Ayub Khan. Some politicians do rebel and speak out as Z A Bhutto did, precipitating the fall of the Ayub regime and more recently M A Jalil, pulling the plug on the elections that brought the Awami League to power for the second time.
Jalil has only confirmed what most non partisan elements have been suspecting all along, that the December elections did not reflect the will of the people in so far as the size of the "Maha Jote" victory was concerned. It is unlikely that Jalil will be able to substantiate his claims that the Interim Government and the military intelligence manipulated the results, just as no corruption charge have ever been proved against politicians, but the stigma has largely been established.
Jalil has since retracted his statement but the cat is out of the bag. Furthermore, in his attempt to disprove Jalil and to destroy his credibility, the Awami League General Secretary and senior Minister of the Government, Sayed Ashraful Islam confirmed that the powers that be at the time had offered Sheikh Hasina to become the Prime Minister of the country without any elections and when this is read in conjunction with the Prime Minister's own statement, "I know how to make deals" and her strong refusal to take action against Moeen U Ahmed and Fakhruddin Ahmed for their extra-constitutional activities only adds to the credibility of Jalil's statement.
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Why Hasina refuses to prosecute Gen. Moeen, Fakhruddin?
Tuesday October 06 2009 13:41:57 PM BDT
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The title should be 'Why it is necessary to try Gen. Moeen?' Yes, why? Because, he did not take over the State power on or after 1/11. In fact, people in those days were so fed up with RAWNP and RAWAWMI that they were dreaming of taking the power by the army.
Now, when MUA did not go after power, now, he has become enemy of only a few RAWNP loyalists. Even Begum Zia does not speak of him the way these SAG**** BAC***s insult him. These people will keep on shouting, but there will not be any tangible result out of this lamenting.
Tuesday October 06 2009 13:41:57 PM BDT
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The title should be 'Why it is necessary to try Gen. Moeen?' Yes, why? Because, he did not take over the State power on or after 1/11. In fact, people in those days were so fed up with RAWNP and RAWAWMI that they were dreaming of taking the power by the army.
Now, when MUA did not go after power, now, he has become enemy of only a few RAWNP loyalists. Even Begum Zia does not speak of him the way these SAG**** BAC***s insult him. These people will keep on shouting, but there will not be any tangible result out of this lamenting.
IMHO, the title should be 'Why should be the real traitor in large while hunting phony ones"? And Kukorer beshe Shukor sharup Shagol Pagol dei hak dak? I say, " He naradom, toi more dekash voy? Shey voye kompita noy mor ridoy.
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If not taking state power is the reason for your worshiping Moeen U, ex army chief then I guess hitler acts of genicide can also be praised because he did not kill all the Jews. I hope you can see how pathetic you look. You also deceiving the point he did taken the state power for two years and brought down GDP growth from 7% to 6%.
Besides that Moeen U tried all he could to stay in power. Only thing prevented him was his real masters indians and western powers did not endorsed his bid because they thought awami stooges would be better.
As for tangible result, didn't he left the country quitely and living in exile now? That should say something to puncture your boasting. Even Awami leaders would go get his neck if it were not for Hasina's stooge act. There are plenty of statements from Awami leaders including Hasina's cousin Sheikh Selim against Moeen U.
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Thats a wrong example (if i can call it so). So far, neither you or al-zakir has managed to showcase why should this man be prosecuted! ... some editors opinion dont count as proof.
If thats the case, then you really need to take all of your previous government to task as well. You had exactly this situation with Mrs.Zia as well.
Hey, you forgot RAW.
World call's it as being retired from service. But you as a worthy citizen of your country, might feel inclined, to file a case against MUA on legally admissible grounds (and which you are so confident of being correct). Fight for what is right. Show us you can walk the talk.
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