Two Indian soldiers killed in LoC skirmish: Indian army

[acid rain]

Even hindustan times see money in writing propaganda script.

Hindustan times is a highly reputed newspaper.

 

[RazPaK]

So will we & this vicious cycle would continue on for a while till saner powers step in to diffuse the situation ! And thats when PDFers would be arguing on about who won & who lost depending upon whose national was the last guy killed or who killed more !

What people like you and N-Eagle saab don't understand is that there are not saner minds on the other side of the border.

India has dedicated it's existence to eradicating Pakistan.

The sooner you idealists wake up and smell the coffee the better.

 

[KRAIT]

Right?
Allies, let see, Israel and Russia, hardly matter economically to Pakistan.
UK, USA and NATO, bogged in Afghanistan till 2014. Good luck trying to force them to sanction Pakistan anytime soon.
Who is left? Oh China, well, let's not even go there.

India can call it on breach of Geneva Conventions.

and I am not suggesting just now, we should build a strong case and as soon as NATO pulls out of Afghanistan, we can ask to make this move.

 

[kawaraj]

Buddy, you don't know anger among Indian people regarding this government.

If GOI wouldn't take any action, it will be the last nail in their coffin.

you exactly say out my point. so the incident is the last savage of this corruption and inept UPA gov if its still has the chance.

 

[notorious_eagle]

The Indian patrol party consisted of six soldiers, the aggressors were from the 29 baloch regiment of the PA, they lay in ambush and in a commando style attacked from behind with kukris and daggers under cover of mist and fog, the Indian party retaliated but the attack was sudden and they beheaded one soldier and slit the throat of another, the IA treats it as a well planned grave provocation

@ hindustan Times.

I read it Sir. I know these things. But I will wait for news proving otherwise. And also the case of Saurabh Kalia is still fresh.

I don't deny the possibility but if I am asked to trust IA or PA, I will trust IA just like you will trust PA, until proven wrong, in THIS case.

Now that i have had some time to look at some various sources, lets delve a little deep into this issue.

Sources said that the Pakistani soldiers beheaded one of the two soldiers and decamped with weapons of both the jawans. Later, the dead bodies were recovered and the injured soldiers airlifted and admitted to the Army’s Command Hospital.

The Northern Command headquarters at Udhampur later came out with a statement terming the Pakistani Border Action Team offensive a “significant escalation” to the continuing series of ceasefire violations and infiltration attempts supported by Pakistan Army. “Pak army troops, having taken advantage of thick fog & mist in the forested area, were moving towards our posts when an alert area domination patrol spotted and engaged the intruders. The firefight between Pak and own troops continued for approximately half an hour after which the intruders retreated back towards their side of Line of Control. Two soldiers Lance Naik Hemraj and Lance Naik Sudhakar Singh laid down their lives while fighting the Pak troops” it added.

The Hindu : News / National : Pak troops cross LoC, kill two jawans in Poonch

First of all, an area domination patrol consists of atleast a platoon level strength (30 to 40 soldiers) and not six as claimed by acid rain. The question i want to raise is, if the IA patrol spotted the so called alleged infiltrators and engaged them, how did the raiding party dodge the incoming fire and get up close to the patrol, decapitate their heads and take away their weapons? This simply is not adding up. The statements from the Indian Army is full of contradictions.

Sir,

PA is not scared. Stop making the Indians feel better.

If PA was scared, they would be rushing for a flag meeting and not bolstering their strength. PA is a disciplined institution, they are increasing their strength as a contingency plan if in case the IA wants to get naughty.

 

[KRAIT]

Why?
Because your forces decided to kill one of our men?
Reminds me of the boy that brings the ball. Plays the match, then takes it away after losing.

Don't you get it. Killing is not the issue, beheading and mutilation of bodies is the issue.

 

[Armstrong]

I don't think India should even fire a bullet. India should take other course. Economic sanctions should be asked from our allies on Pakistan until anti-India terrorist groups are not uprooted.

That would be the intelligent thing to do but then again that is contingent on a few things :

(a) even the US likes to play by the book or at least give it such a facade & so something concrete must be presented that moves beyond mere conjecture.

(b) China doesn't veto any UN led sanctions on Pakistan or doesn't pressurize the US to dissuade from doing so.

(c) The US & ISAF forces don't value Pakistan's input in not only the on-going peace process in Afghanistan whereby we are the, unnamed, non-alleged, handlers of the Taliban, but also the eventual withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2014 that can only happen through Pakistani territory !

It is possible though improbable ! A strongly worded reply from the US State Department & a continued demonization of Pakistan on the International Front is something that you'd have to settle for ! But surely that isn't such a bad alternative either.

 

[KRAIT]

you exactly say out my point. so the incident is the last savage of this corruption and inept UPA gov if its still has the chance.

But Indian govt. is saying they won't take any action. They are saying we should continue dialogue process. This is what Indians don't want.

 

[RazPaK]

Don't you get it. Killing is not the issue, beheading and mutilation of bodies is the issue.

All is fair in love and war. Beheading or getting shot, it makes no difference.

Is there really such a thing as a humane way of killing someone or something?

And you have no proof that our soldiers even committed a beheading.

 

[idune]

It was an ambush and a well planned and coordinated one.

According to coordinated indian propanga

 

[kawaraj]

But Indian govt. is saying they won't take any action. They are saying we should continue dialogue process. This is what Indians don't want.

I don't have my trust on them they must be monitoring how's the trials going and how they play the card.

I am wishing a joint investigation team of two nations for the incidents over these days as a whole.

 

[Rocky25]

Why?

Because your forces decided to kill one of our men?

Reminds me of the boy that brings the ball. Plays the match, then takes it away after losing.

Getting killed in LOC does not matter! Even the soldiers know the risk before they signed up for this work! But mutilating the body and beheading is another thing... Yes the Indian political class lack the balls!

 

[Armstrong]

What people like you and N-Eagle saab don't understand is that there are not saner minds on the other side of the border.

India has dedicated it's existence to eradicating Pakistan.

The sooner you idealists wake up and smell the coffee the better.

That isn't entirely true ! The may not like us & they certainly don't but Pakistan truly is fait accompli & even the Indians accepted that in the first couple of years seeing Pakistan survive the way we did.

And I was referring to 'Saner Minds' as in the US, Russia, China, the EU, the Muslim Bloc etc.

 

[Rocky25]

According to coordinated indian propanga

Yes as Bangladeshi saw that with the help of small chimney light as they watched their sisters were raped in 1971!

 

[RazPaK]

That isn't entirely true ! The may not like us & they certainly don't but Pakistan truly is fait accompli & even the Indians accepted that in the first couple of years seeing Pakistan survive the way we did.

And I was referring to 'Saner Minds' as in the US, Russia, China, the EU, the Muslim Bloc etc.

Yeah but these years, they are attacking our soldiers for no reason whatsoever.

They started it.

For what reason?