Missing persons: ISI, MI counsel says RAW and Mossad involved

[lem34]

So Asim tell e why don't you start a crusade against feudals and corrupt political leaders. They have far more to answer than ISI??

They are the bloodsuckers in Pakistan first and foremost

 

[53fd]

Unfortunately the US has not been the same since the Patriot Act was passed which stipulates certain indemnities to the agencies. Which makes these actions well within the law. Consequently the same guarantees have not been given to the ISI by the legislatures.

In other words, the anti-terrorism laws inside Pakistan need to be more stringent, able to deal with the threat of terrorism. Which is the responsibility of the legislature & the judiciary, not the ISI. Acquitting 3 out of every 4 terrorists is really not good enough.

When the US, a country geographically "distanced" from international terrorism conflict takes the terrorism threat so seriously, & gives such powers to its security establishment to successfully tackle terrorist attacks against the country; what is wrong if Pakistan adopts the same policies to tackle terrorism, residing in a much more troubled neighborhood?

 

[Areesh]

HAhaha.. So ISI is calling itself RAW and MOSSAD?!?!?

What a sight. A TTP and Al Qaida sympathizer being thanked by Indians.

Say anything rubbish about ISI and their you go. Whole India is ready to kiss your a**.

 

[Awesome]

So Asim tell e why don't you start a crusade against feudals and corrupt political leaders. They have far more to answer than ISI??

They are the bloodsuckers in Pakistan first and foremost

This word crusade is wrong first of all, it makes me look like a one time wonder who is picking on one issue, I'm picking on a multitude of issues relating to curbing freedoms of Pakistanis.

Feudal lord, corrupt politician, Mullah, doesn't excuse anything does it?

 

[lem34]

This word crusade is wrong first of all, it makes me look like a one time wonder who is picking on one issue, I'm picking on a multitude of issues relating to curbing freedoms of Pakistanis.

Feudal lord, corrupt politician, Mullah, doesn't excuse anything does it?

First I don't see an issue here at all. You and others are falling into a trap set up and propagated by the west that our ISI is out of control. Show me, take me to the evidence that you have alluded to earlier. If not I think none exists. Next why are you not answering me when I ask you Why should Pakistan's ISI be held to a higher standard than RAW CIA Mossad the agencies with which it competes with?? Please tell me why you want to tie our boys up in a way that India America and Israel don't??

I look forward to seeing your contribution on feudalism etc on the forum

 

[Irfan Baloch]

First I don't see an issue here at all. You and others are falling into a trap set up and propagated by the west that our ISI is out of control. Show me, take me to the evidence that you have alluded to earlier. If not I think none exists. Next why are you not answering me when I ask you Why should Pakistan's ISI be held to a higher standard than RAW CIA Mossad the agencies with which it competes with?? Please tell me why you want to tie our boys up in a way that India America and Israel don't??

I look forward to seeing your contribution on feudalism etc on the forum

no one in America can get away with talking that much against its security agencies. he would get a rude awakening at 2 or clock in the morning and that will be the last of him his family will ever know.

one even has to word his sentence very carefully while on the phone. say some wrong words in a combination that NSA or CIA doesnt approve and boy you are history.

 

[livingdead]

no one in America can get away with talking that much against its security agencies. he would get a rude awakening at 2 or clock in the morning and that will be the last of him his family will ever know.

one even has to word his sentence very carefully while on the phone. say some wrong words in a combination that NSA or CIA doesnt approve and boy you are history.

Oh really. Do you really believe this? An american will be arrested for talking against CIA ?
How are left wing liberals living there and coming up with alternative theories everyday?

US may be worse than UK in this regard, but by no means anyway near south asian countries( including India) where torture and death by police is not considered abnormal.

 

[Solomon2]

ISI should prove it in court.

The chief justice asked the defence counsel if the agencies had any credible information of the involvement of RAW and Mossad, and why they did not take any against them. “We did not bar you from taking action against RAW and Mossad.”

Interesting. The court assumes that if the ISI really had found such evidence it would have taken retaliatory action.

Am I the only one disturbed by the clear implication that the next time the ISI wants to cover up something it should attack Israel or India and then the court will take a hands-off approach?

 

[lem34]

Not that difficult. Of course the majority of cases wouldn't be public. But the Judiciaries in other countries accept that National Security is something Judiciary does not interfere in

The Corbett Report | Courts Rule US Government Above the Law

18 October, 2011

Manhattan Federal Judge Alvin Hellerstein has declined to hold the CIA in contempt for destroying videos that it had been ordered by the courts to preserve.

The case revolves around 92 videos, depicting hundreds of hours of interrogations of detainees. The tapes allegedly contained evidence of torture, and the CIA was ordered by numerous courts to produce the videos in relation to lawsuits arising from torture allegations. The 9/11 Commission also demanded that the tapes be produced. Instead, the agency destroyed them.

Although the Obama Justice Department had already decided last year that no criminal charges would be filed for this blatant obstruction of justice, Judge Hellerstein’s recent ruling insures that the agency will not even face civil sanctions or so much as a contempt order for willfully breaking the law.

In his ruling, Judge Hellerstein, the very judge who had ordered the CIA to produce the tapes in September of 2004, notes that the agency had instead provided a description of what they say was on the tapes and “implemented new protocols” to insure that they don’t destroy evidence again, so there is no need to hold them accountable in any way.

Judge Hellerstein’s decision is not without precedent.

In 2010, Obama’s Office of Legal Council wrote a memo arguing the legality of Obama’s secret list of assassination targets, a list that apparently includes American citizens who have not been convicted or even charged of a crime. The memo was used as the legal justification for the extrajudicial assassination of Anwar al-Awlaki, a US citizen who the President ordered murdered early last year.

Now, the Obama White House is arguing that they don’t even have to show the justification for ordering the unconstitutional assassination of one of its own citizens.

Still, concerned citizens are attempting to challenge the Obama regime’s power grabs in court.

Earlier this year, Senator Wyden revealed that the federal government has a secret interpretation of the PATRIOT Act that allows the government much more power than is suggested by the wording of the act itself.

When Charlie Savage of the New York Times filed a Freedom of Information Act request for the interpretation, he was denied on the basis that the interpretation is classified.

Last week, Savage and the Times sued the federal government for refusing to release the documents. The case is currently before Judge William Pauley of the US District Court.

I am fed up of Cheng like circular arguments here. People please see above CIA. Please tell me why do you want to ask of higher standards under these circumstances of our beloved ISI the protectors of Pakistan.

Come on tell me why ??? When above it is clear that CIA and other agencies are above the law why do you want to rein our defenders of the nation

 

[lem34]

I think the core issue is addressed very well by Thomas Jefferson who was not only a founding father of America was a US president and the principal author of the United States Declaration of Independence. He wrote to friend,

"A strict observance of the written laws is doubtless one of the high duties of a good citizen, but it is not the highest (emphasis in original). The laws of necessity, of self-preservation, of saving our country, by a scrupulous adherence to written law, would be to lose the law itself, with life, liberty, property and all those who are enjoying them with us: thus absurdly sacrificing the end to the means. . . "

This sense that secret intelligence activities were governed by a higher law of self-preservation limited Federal judiciary's reluctance to exert limited jurisdiction in such areas.

So come on guys I can understand Indians Americans Zionists and Solo mon asking our beloved ISI to be held to a higher standard than the CIA but why are we even giving this any bandwidth

 

[Solomon2]

Well, Aryan_B, why, if you think the CIA is terrible, don't you think it's necessary for Pakistan to hold the ISI to a higher standard?

 

[53fd]

Well, Aryan_B, why, if you think the CIA is terrible, don't you think it's necessary for Pakistan to hold the ISI to a higher standard?

I think the CIA does a ruthlessly wonderful job in countering the threat of terrorism, because they got a leeway from the US government to do so, even if it goes against the US constitution (killing their own citizens [that are a threat to national security] with impunity). The fault lies with the judiciary and the legislature in Pakistan, that don't let the ISI counter the threat of terrorism properly.

 

[lem34]

Well, Aryan_B, why, if you think the CIA is terrible, don't you think it's necessary for Pakistan to hold the ISI to a higher standard?

As usual you missed the point. But hey I don't care cos you don't matter. Back to topic I think our ISI is brilliant in that it is giving our eternal enemies sleepless nights

 

[Irfan Baloch]

From world wars to the cold war and current times

Agents from CIA defected their country
Agents from MI5 and MI6 defected
Agents from KGB defected
The list goes on

But its ISI where its personal from a field agent to the DG ISI has never ever sold his loyalties for any material gains and has always remained committed and and motivated and true to his aouth to the state of Pakistan.

So all the ISI haters that are
Paid or volunteers
Professionals or amateur
Foreign or locals
Cunning or dimwits
You can rage and troll in your books and articles and your talk shows and documentaries but you can never prove that anyone in ISI sold his loyalties . you better sell your sensational stuff while the world has interest in the subject and while Uncle Sam is busy in this region. But you will need to reinvent and diversify yourself. Think of Uncle Sam’s next possible targets after Iran and start writing against their institutions and their leadership. It’s a dog eat dog world so you will have to stand out bark the loudest, make the most outrageous and unbelievable claim to make a mark.

 

[Awesome]

The chief justice asked the defence counsel if the agencies had any credible information of the involvement of RAW and Mossad, and why they did not take any against them. “We did not bar you from taking action against RAW and Mossad.”

Interesting. The court assumes that if the ISI really had found such evidence it would have taken retaliatory action.

Am I the only one disturbed by the clear implication that the next time the ISI wants to cover up something it should attack Israel or India and then the court will take a hands-off approach?

In the context it means to arrest RAW agents within the country.

First I don't see an issue here at all. You and others are falling into a trap set up and propagated by the west that our ISI is out of control. Show me, take me to the evidence that you have alluded to earlier. If not I think none exists. Next why are you not answering me when I ask you Why should Pakistan's ISI be held to a higher standard than RAW CIA Mossad the agencies with which it competes with?? Please tell me why you want to tie our boys up in a way that India America and Israel don't??

No issue of being out of control, as I said, we are the ultimate authority, this zalalat that ISI has to bear is because it is being answerable to its bosses - Pakistanis. It may be in the interest of foreigners to see ISI get gandha, but ISI can simply stop violating the law and stop killing and kidnapping people. It should catch Indian spies, then bring them in court and show the world what India is doing.

I look forward to seeing your contribution on feudalism etc on the forum

You have what we call, "jummah jummah aath din" on the forums. My record is however public and on case by case - Choudharies, Sharifs, Zardaris sab ki baisti hai meri CV pe.