The Pentagon's new China war plan

[Obambam]

Is that nervous laughter I see? Even if we do not know how China would respond or initiate a war, like all technologically dependent countries, China's military is no different than US in that both countries are bounded by the limitations and flexibility those technologies give. The difference between US and China is that we are able to expand the scope of our planning, simulations, finally exercises to explore those limitations and flexibility. There is nothing wrong with making mistakes or having misconceptions. The issue is from what expanse of your knowledge and experience did you made those mistakes and have those misconceptions. So yes, take your own advice and do not be like the Iraqis and expect anything less from US.

Nope, it was humorous laughter you saw.

 

[Mo12]

Would USA allies in east asia get involved if USA goes to war with China you think?

 

[ZhengHe]

Would USA allies in east asia get involved if USA goes to war with China you think?

japan and south korea would be on the forefront of such an event. these 2 countries, or more accurately, these two outpost of the US military empire will serve as the 1st line of cannon fodder against china.

after them, the US will try to push vietnam and the philippines to serve as the 2nd line of cannon fodders.

the US will likely not confront China directly if they have all these disposable states ready to go with a little "here are some weapons, i got your back" suggestion.

it will then depend on how fast china can retaliate and assume victory over these disposable countries. when the US does this they are basically putting these countries up for grabs, since in such an event china won't just retaliate, it will outright invade and take over.

if these countries become overpowered quickly china will be able to expand and create an empire and the US will be kicked out of asia. to prevent this from happening, the US might directly engage China.

and then WW3 has officially begun.

 

[gambit]

America has even plans to invade Canada if necessary

Canada is our unofficial 52nd state. We just do not see the necessity of making if official.

 

[below_freezing]

japan and south korea would be on the forefront of such an event. these 2 countries, or more actually, these two outpost of the US military will serve as the 1st line of cannon fodder against china.

after them, the US will try to push vietnam and the philippines to serve as the 2nd line of cannon fodders.

the US will likely not confront China directly if they have all these disposable states ready to go with a little "here are some weapons, i got your back" suggestion from uncle sam

it will then depend on how fast china can retaliate and assume victory over these disposable countries. when the US does this they are basically putting these countries up for grabs, since in such an event china won't just retaliate, it will outright invade and take over.

if these countries become overpowered quickly then china will be able to expand and create an empire and the US will be kicked out of asia. to prevent this from happening, the US might directly engage China.

and then WW3 has officially begun.

It depends on who the US is more scared of: its own citizens, or China. In fact, that is the choice of any nation state with a nationalist populace and the ambition to become a global power: Who are you more scared of, your own citizens or the opponent's military?

It used to be its own citizens, but the balance is tipping quickly towards China. The opposite has occured in China: it used to be the US, but it is quickly becoming its own citizens.

States that fear their own citizens often are forced to increase welfare and military spending to 1. calm their citizens down, feed them soma 2.) distract them if they cannot be placated.

The US is quickly losing its ability to pacify their citizens and distract them from internal problems; it lost the experience in internal conflict management ever since the 1930's.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

hey gambit i thought tht was israel..

 

[gambit]

Nope, it was humorous laughter you saw.

Then let me give some more fodder for your supposedly 'humorous' laughter...

From the same book cited in previous posts...

Amazon.com: War Games (9780425116470): Thomas B. Allen: Books

Chapter 2

"It's Hard to Start a War": The Nuclear Factor

"One of Control's problems is to introduce plausibly the behavior of the countries," the Game Director says.* He is talking at the Senior Review about Nu, the 1966 India-Pakistan-China game. But he could be talking about all games before or since. "Plausibility usually comes up for a little criticism at these sessions. Let me say two things about it. First, most of life seems to be a sequence of implausible events...The problem is to choose among implausible alternatives and even if one can interpret these games as true history, rather than synthetic history, one would still, as the historian does, have to say, that's just one way things could have gone...

"The other point about plausibility is the Control Team often finds itself groping for something that is fairly plausible, chooses something, works it over for a while, and it becomes very, very plausible through a process of getting familiar with it. I think, frequently, what these games can accomplish is to demonstrate that what often appears on the surface to be implausibility or improbability is merely unfamiliarity. It's hard to work with any sequence of events in a game for several hours without its beginning to seem either real or as one that could be real."

Assessing games in general, he says, "Some games are particularly good at focusing on the process of decisionmaking, of planning or estimating an adversary. Some games stir up substantive problems and policy issues. Some games are especially rich in by -products. Most games are splendid cram-course in local geography and politics."

[*The Game Director's name is still deleted in the scant fiels about Pentagon political-military games. Obtainable records indicate that Minor and Schelling participated. But, due to the vagaries of game files, neither their names nor the names of anyone else appear in discussion of the game that were released under the Freedom of Information Act.]

The highlighted is significant. It reveals that the US is willing to explore its own decision making processes, to reveals flaws in policy and conceptions about enemies and potential adversaries, unlike those here who relies more on their own rhetorical bombast and furiously 'Thanked' each other over their own ignorance and believe their own political and military leaderships do not engage in the same as US.

Flawed decision making processes and unexamined conceptions will produce a crippled military posture, offense or defense. Most games do not make it beyond the simulation stage for conservative reasons: Bases could be opened in unnecessary locations or closed in necessary ones. Manpower projections could be unrealistic in either reduction or increase and in which branches. Budget could be inefficiently allocated. The military leadership would prefer their forces are as infinitely flexible in response as the human creative forces could make it. But that is not possible in the real world. So once these policies are enacted by laws and money allocated and forces (re)arrayed, flexibility in wartime executions can be crippled and the country spectacularly lost the war.

So you go right on laughing at what you called 'humorous' at the extent of what we do in these war games and planning. I encourage the Chinese military leadership in sharing your arrogance and misguided self-assurances. It will make US military victories in Asia against Chinese forces so much more easier.

 

[Obambam]

Then let me give some more fodder for your supposedly 'humorous' laughter...

From the same book cited in previous posts...

Amazon.com: War Games (9780425116470): Thomas B. Allen: Books

The highlighted is significant. It reveals that the US is willing to explore its own decision making processes, to reveals flaws in policy and conceptions about enemies and potential adversaries, unlike those here who relies more on their own rhetorical bombast and furiously 'Thanked' each other over their own ignorance and believe their own political and military leaderships do not engage in the same as US.

Flawed decision making processes and unexamined conceptions will produce a crippled military posture, offense or defense. Most games do not make it beyond the simulation stage for conservative reasons: Bases could be opened in unnecessary locations or closed in necessary ones. Manpower projections could be unrealistic in either reduction or increase and in which branches. Budget could be inefficiently allocated. The military leadership would prefer their forces are as infinitely flexible in response as the human creative forces could make it. But that is not possible in the real world. So once these policies are enacted by laws and money allocated and forces (re)arrayed, flexibility in wartime executions can be crippled and the country spectacularly lost the war.

So you go right on laughing at what you called 'humorous' at the extent of what we do in these war games and planning. I encourage the Chinese military leadership in sharing your arrogance and misguided self-assurances. It will make US military victories in Asia against Chinese forces so much more easier.

I wish military leaderships take what you say as serious as you do. Perhaps it will help make room for people like Tom Cruise and helps with the promotion of the Scientology brand.

Assessing games in general, he says, "Some games are particularly good at focusing on the process of decision making, of planning or estimating an adversary. Some games stir up substantive problems and policy issues. Some games are especially rich in by -products. Most games are splendid cram-course in local geography and politics."

Decision making, planning or estimating extraterrestrials and considering them as adversary isn't humor to you?
Then you must be one dense and serious individual!

Chances are, when hostile extraterrestrials land "en masse" onto planet earth, there is little to nothing America can do to stop them. By comparing China or Russia with extraterrestrials is nothing but a huge compliment. I guess we should thank you for stating that on behalf of the American military leaderships.

Reality is, when they land they will not be America's adversary. Instead, they will be America's worse nightmare.

 

[gambit]

I wish military leaderships take what you say as serious as you do. Perhaps it will help make room for people like Tom Cruise and helps with the promotion of the Scientology brand.



Decision making, planning or estimating extraterrestrials and considering them as adversary isn't humor to you?
Then you must be one dense and serious individual!

Chances are, when hostile extraterrestrials land "en masse" onto planet earth, there is little to nothing America can do to stop them. By comparing China or Russia with extraterrestrials is nothing but a huge compliment. I guess we should thank you for stating that on behalf of the American military leaderships.

Reality is, when they land they will not be America's adversary. Instead, they will be America's worse nightmare.

Heck, no. I get a kick out of making fun of ignorant people like you and the rest of the Chinese boys here.

 

[Obambam]

Heck, no. I get a kick out of making fun of ignorant people like you and the rest of the Chinese boys here.

Claims the ignorant with zilch knowledge on extraterrestrial warfare and capabilities. War in Vietnam must have damage you much as a human being.

 

[ZhengHe]

Claims the ignorant with zilch knowledge on extraterrestrial warfare and capabilities. War in Vietnam must have damage you much as a human being.

he has all the knowledge he needs from every hollywood alien blockbuster he watched as a child to the entire star wars and star trek trilogy!

don't be surprised if this ding dong tells you he can communicate in alien languages

 

[gambit]

Claims the ignorant with zilch knowledge on extraterrestrial warfare and capabilities. War in Vietnam must have damage you much as a human being.

Geeezzz...Cannot let it go, eh? Actually, I did you Chinese boys a favor by showing everyone how common and intellectually necessary such war planning and war gaming really is. I could have waited a bit longer and let the lot of you reveal your ignorance about such affairs by saying all the typical tripe about US being militaristic and all.

 

[Obambam]

Geeezzz...Cannot let it go, eh? Actually, I did you Chinese boys a favor by showing everyone how common and intellectually necessary such war planning and war gaming really is. I could have waited a bit longer and let the lot of you reveal your ignorance about such affairs by saying all the typical tripe about US being militaristic and all.

No shiet sherlock....Your eagerness to showcase your military knowhow jumped to a whole new level.
You have already done everyone a favor, be it intentionally or unintentionally, by posting about the American practice of warfare against the extraterrestrials and considered them your adversaries.

Shame you are not a part of the American military, you would make Tom Cruise and Will Smith seem like amateurs in the movies. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see you come up with credible third party sources about war games with cavemen and dinosaurs!

 

[gambit]

No shiet sherlock....Your eagerness to showcase your military knowhow jumped to a whole new level.
You have already done everyone a favor, be it intentionally or unintentionally, by posting about the American practice of warfare against the extraterrestrials and considered them your adversaries.

Shame you are not a part of the American military, you would make Tom Cruise and Will Smith seem like amateurs in the movies. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see you come up with credible third party sources about war games with cavemen and dinosaurs!

That is funny...Guess the UN is mistaken when it created a panel to deal with the possibility of alien contact. But then again, we should not expect much from conscript rejects like yerselves when this is all you have to contribute to the discussion.

 

[Obambam]

That is funny...Guess the UN is mistaken when it created a panel to deal with the possibility of alien contact. But then again, we should not expect much from conscript rejects like yerselves when this is all you have to contribute to the discussion.

Funny indeed coming out from a military and social reject. I guess UN's friendly plan for an Alien Ambassador became American plans for alien assassins? Your ridiculous claims is a clear indication of your detachment to mankind, society and reality. I would like to see grounded F-22's and F-35's handle fleets of Alien spaceships and see how the perceived adversary turn mouthy Americans such as yourselves into preys.