Who will be Pakistan’s next Army Chief and Joint Chief of the military

[imadul]

Although only God knows the true intentions of a man and that how circumstances in future can change him, I would consider commanders who showed their mettle in combat leading troops to victory. There are a few who have not been promoted after proving their mettle (Brigadier Nisar, Lt Gen Tariq etc) while others were shaheed in combat (Maj Gen Iftikhar Janjua etc).

Brig Nisar - 25 Cav in 65 war and Changez force in 71 war
Lt Gen Tariq - FC in WOT
Maj Gen Iftikhar - 23 Div in 1971 war

Problem is msassive and have become uncontrollable because army has become a super state and army chief has become above parliament, and judiciary.
Who really appoints the army chief, I want to know?

International powers have stakes in Pakistan, especially US which intervenes thru army chief. Army chief develops self interests and promotes cronies too, if not all then some cronies.
As an interim step, armed forces chief should come from any two other sister organizations.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Rawalpindi.

Yah banay ga..
Just a calculated guess

 

[SaadH]

News media and PDM were against General Faiz. Do we know anything about him? Is he also compromised like Bajwa?

More than anyone or anything, Army's daddies in Pentagon were against Faiz.

 

[araz]

Ayub was also the senior most, and that is why we lost many a brilliant and professional officers. On the other hand Kakar and Raheel shareef, though were junior most, proved to be very professional.

So why not say that the PMs start appointing COASs on the basis of professionalism rather party/own interests.

There needs to be a process. The problem is the selction process by the PM is dependent on the whims of the PM. I fhink your example is a mixed bag. If Kakar And Shareef were good ( I think we need to reappraise Shareef as there were potentially more better people around) then Musharraf and Zia were bad and caused this country a lot of harm as well.
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[araz]

Yes, but the point is that before martial law, he was appointed as C-in-C because he was the senior most. Thus being senior most doesn't guarantee professionalism.

Why not IK? Didn't he want to keep Fiaz Hameed as DG ISI when he had been posted out, despite being a serving officer?

Do you think our PMs are educated/interested to understand or comprehend reports, qualifications, gradings, ACRs, courses attended, appointments held, operations led? The answer is NO.
Moreover they don't have anything to do with it, they just want to appoint someone who can be influenced. Thus appointing the weakest contender, who in order to prove himself capable starts interfering in politics etc.

Regarding Ayub, he was disciplined and removed from service for migling with the political elite contrary to the orders of the COAS. He was brought back by Iskender Mirza so technically again he was already tainted.
Regarding the political machinations we have the politicians to blame as well. If you leave a void in the decision making cycle it will be filled. The politicians have been incompetent so far which is why the army has filled the void. Once you are corrupted by the corridors of power, this will lead to inconstitutional actions which is what has repeatedly seen. We need politicians to evolve and assume some level of competence before the threat of Army interference will recede.
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[truthseeker2010]

There needs to be a process. The problem is the selction process by the PM is dependent on the whims of the PM. I fhink your example is a mixed bag. If Kakar And Shareef were good ( I think we need to reappraise Shareef as there were potentially more better people around) then Musharraf and Zia were bad and caused this country a lot of harm as well.
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The main problem is the excessive power and unanswerable nature of the position of coas that needs to be sorted. Bajwa needs to be summoned for his actions, otherwise whoever comes next does not matter but will only make it worse!

Regarding Ayub, he was disciplined and removed from service for migling with the political elite contrary to the orders of the COAS. He was brought back by Iskender Mirza so technically again he was already tainted.
Regarding the political machinations we have the politicians to blame as well. If you leave a void in the decision making cycle it will be filled. The politicians have been incompetent so far which is why the army has filled the void. Once you are corrupted by the corridors of power, this will lead to inconstitutional actions which is what has repeatedly seen. We need politicians to evolve and assume some level of competence before the threat of Army interference will recede.
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Please enlighten on the decisions that the competent generals made which were or are still beneficial for this country?

 

[Imran Khan]

Jo bhi hoga fauji hi hoga .

 

[xyxmt]

Whoever he will be, he will make sure of political instability in Pakistan and more facilities in DHAs, more private clubs for their officers, less equipments for fighting soldiers.

 

[Kharral]

mujhe banado, DHA nationalize na kr di tou naam badal dena

Shahadat ka Jazba hai aap mein

 

[Imran Khan]

 

[Kharral]

bhai wese tou vigo afford nahi honi, yahi tariqa rah gya ha

Do you really want it that bad ?

 

[Kharral]

neither want the vigo nor the nationalization of DHA. Civilians will turn it into a ghetto.

I sense Army in you my friend.

 

[Kharral]

Hey man, in this atmosphere, these words are akin to libel and defamation.

This shall pass too
We ll all be dancing to DJISPR’s tunes pretty soon.

 

[Kharral]

no, unless they down another nandu I'm not listening to any of their stuff.

Come on Man, what kind of demand is that ?
How about a song and a serial ?

 

[Kharral]

a month with no terrorist attack in balochistan and we have a deal, this is my final position, won't go any lower than that

Matlab tuadi tarfu na e samjiye fer