PAF J-10C News, Updates and Discussion

[farok84]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1502565115266097155

 

[NA71]

Disappointed with PAF getting PL-15E which has reduced range, and not the full range version.

why we are regretting PL-15E?

 

[iLION12345_1]

why we are regretting PL-15E?

We’re not. We got the PL-15E because it’s the export version of the PL-15, meant for, you guessed it, export. Pakistan is a foreign country, it gets the export version.

It’s just that too many Pakistanis think missile ranges actually mean something (they don’t) or that the export missiles are somehow significantly weaker than the Chinese variants without understanding how missiles actually work. It’s just disappointing how little people research before leaving comments like that.

 

[NA71]

We’re not. We got the PL-15E because it’s the export version of the PL-15, meant for, you guessed it, export. Pakistan is a foreign country, it gets the export version.

It’s just that too many Pakistanis think missile ranges actually mean something (they don’t) or that the export missiles are somehow significantly weaker than the Chinese variants without understanding how missiles actually work. It’s just disappointing how little people research before leaving comments like that.

so you mean capability wise it same as Chinese variant ...right?

 

[帅的一匹]

We’re not. We got the PL-15E because it’s the export version of the PL-15, meant for, you guessed it, export. Pakistan is a foreign country, it gets the export version.

It’s just that too many Pakistanis think missile ranges actually mean something (they don’t) or that the export missiles are somehow significantly weaker than the Chinese variants without understanding how missiles actually work. It’s just disappointing how little people research before leaving comments like that.

I think we can look at it in this way , the range of PL15P is no less than 145KM. You know we try our best not to scare the shit out of our neighbor

 

[Deino]

@Deino or @siegecrossbow should know if there is any


The export version is stated to be around 145KM, the original surely has a longer range but I don't think there's any concrete number

Can you state the visual differences b/w PL-15E and PL-15, so make it easy for many of us to recognize both

Same for the PL-10E

I think externally visible they are the same - at least I haven't seen close up images to check if the motor section is different (in fact I don't expect them to be) and otherwise these are inert mock-ups only. So to really see any differences, one must have very clear images of live missiles side-by-side.

 

[Sidacca]

For all those concerned with PL15 E,
From ACM Sohail to ACM sidhu all they are talking about retention of First shot capability yet you guys are concerned with missile range ????

 

[NA71]

details as per Chinese source:

According to Chinese media citing the U.S. Global Security website, the Chinese Air Force’s own PL-15 long-range air-to-air missile has a range of more than 150 kilometers, possibly as far as 200 to 300 kilometers, with active radar guidance and over-the-horizon combat capability, and could be equipped on the J-10C, J-16 and J-20 fighters.

If previous Western speculation is true, it is clear that the export version of the PL-15E has a discounted range – which is actually comparable to the range of the USAF’s current state-of-the-art AIM-120D long-range air-to-air missile.

Even with the discounted range of the PL-15E, its performance is enough to scare the West. The PL-15 could use either a dual-pulse engine or a ramjet engine and pose a serious challenge to the U.S. and its allied air forces with a range at least equal to that of the AIM-120D, advanced complex guidance, and a supporting active electronically scanned array radar, according to U.S. TheDrive site cited by Chinese media.


source:

Export versions of PL-15 and PL-10 missiles feared by US debut

www.china-arms.com

 

[Engineer1]

If export variant has 30 percent less range, shouldn't it be smaller in size? It would require less fuel anyways. And there are many reasons to go for it in that case I.e. cost, weight etc if it serves the purpose in matching Indian BVR's. Also its entirely possible that we can have a mixed inventory of regular and E variants. Alternately, it is also possible that only export variants have been made available to us as of now. Its still better than our present capability and make many Indian jets unable to engage J10CE's without being locked first.

 

[帅的一匹]

details as per Chinese source:

According to Chinese media citing the U.S. Global Security website, the Chinese Air Force’s own PL-15 long-range air-to-air missile has a range of more than 150 kilometers, possibly as far as 200 to 300 kilometers, with active radar guidance and over-the-horizon combat capability, and could be equipped on the J-10C, J-16 and J-20 fighters.

If previous Western speculation is true, it is clear that the export version of the PL-15E has a discounted range – which is actually comparable to the range of the USAF’s current state-of-the-art AIM-120D long-range air-to-air missile.

Even with the discounted range of the PL-15E, its performance is enough to scare the West. The PL-15 could use either a dual-pulse engine or a ramjet engine and pose a serious challenge to the U.S. and its allied air forces with a range at least equal to that of the AIM-120D, advanced complex guidance, and a supporting active electronically scanned array radar, according to U.S. TheDrive site cited by Chinese media.


source:

Export versions of PL-15 and PL-10 missiles feared by US debut

www.china-arms.com

200 hundreds KM range is an overhyped number, it can’t be true in any circumstances. We will never reveal the number of max range of PL15 to public in any way, it’s national security.

 

[Dazzler]

Just a cheap shot at the Rafale being called Omni role in its marketing material

The details of subsystems this baby has, is indeed impressive.

It is called TK-31

Yep. It's the standard PLA helmet these days and is visually similar to Gallet.

 

[帅的一匹]

If export variant has 30 percent less range, shouldn't it be smaller in size? It would require less fuel anyways. And there are many reasons to go for it in that case I.e. cost, weight etc if it serves the purpose in matching Indian BVR's. Also its entirely possible that we can have a mixed inventory of regular and E variants. Alternately, it is also possible that only export variants have been made available to us as of now. Its still better than our present capability and make many Indian jets unable to engage J10CE's without being locked first.

It’s under the table, and you understand it.

 

[Riz]

Are we sure the PL15 of PLAAF has range more than 145KM?

Why would PAF reveal the actual range of PL-15 ? Let the enemy keep guessing , true range would be the one where they found there rafale wreckage

 

[Talalqyqyq]

First direct and official confirmation of J10C induction by PAF.

watch after 6.00

Though the news source was posted by someone in New PAF fighter plane doctrine earlier today but I believe , the news itself deserved a new thread since there still have been an ambiguity about J10C induction into PAF until now.

Sheikh Rasheed always been a big mouth but nevertheless he is an interior minister of Pakistan right now. No joke!
special tagging @Zarvan : d

Hi

 

[帅的一匹]

If export variant has 30 percent less range, shouldn't it be smaller in size? It would require less fuel anyways. And there are many reasons to go for it in that case I.e. cost, weight etc if it serves the purpose in matching Indian BVR's. Also its entirely possible that we can have a mixed inventory of regular and E variants. Alternately, it is also possible that only export variants have been made available to us as of now. Its still better than our present capability and make many Indian jets unable to engage J10CE's without being locked first.

It’s under the table, and you understand it.

Why would PAF reveal the actual range of PL-15 ? Let the enemy keep guessing , true range would be the one where they found there rafale wreckage