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This thread is about RACES in PAKISTAN.i.e PATHANS,PUNJABIS,SINDHIS,BALOCHIS,RAJPUTS,BALTIS,KASHMIRISe.t.c


PUNJABIS

the origin of Punjabis can be traced back to ARYANS who came in INDIA centuries ago.Punjabis have significantly lighter complexion then the rest of indian races(excluding pathans) .

The Punjabis found in Pakistan are composed of clans and tribes (the aforementioned qaums) often with a correspondence with traditional occupations. Pre-Islamic Kambohs, Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs (such as the Janjuas) predominate with the Gakhars, Awans, and Arains, comprising the main tribes in the north, while Gilanis, Gardezis, Syeds and Quraishis are found in the south. There are Pashtun tribes like the Niazis and the Shaikhs, which are very much integrated into Punjabi village life. Especially the members of the Niazi tribe, who see themselves as Punjabis first. They have big communities in Mianwali, Bakkar, Lahore, Faisalabad, Sahiwal and Toba Tek Singh. Punjabis in Pakistan, especially in major urban cities have diverse origins, with many post Islamic settlers tracing their origin to Afghanistan, Persia, Arabia, Kashmir and Central Asia. Many Punjabis may contain some physical traces of Central Asians due to the invasions. [18]

BALOCHIS

The Baloch (بلوچ; alternative transliterations Baluch, Balouch, Bloach,Balooch, Balush, Balosh, Baloosh, Baloush et al.) are an Iranian people inhabiting the region of Balochistan in Iran and Pakistan, Iraq , Syria as well as neighbouring areas of Afghanistan and the southeast corner of the Iranian plateau in Southwest Asia.

The Baloch speak Balochi, which is considered a northwestern Iranian language and the Baloch are accordingly generally considered an Iranian Martial Race.But other historians consider them to be ARABS and descndents of ISMAEL(A.S)

In pakistani Balochistan there are also small number of KURDS(remember the famous lawyer ALI AHMED KURD)The Kurds are from the same origin as that of Baloch. The period of their migration from the Caspian region may be a few centuries earlier than the Baloch who followed at a later period; but instead of going to their people in Zagros mountainous region, outskirts of Mesopotamia, they headed towards east. Linguistically and culturally they must have been from the same stock." [ Janmahmad; The Baloch Cultural Heritage, 1982,]

SINDHIS

Sindhis (सिन्धी, سنڌي) are an Indo-Aryan language speaking socio-ethnic group of people originating in Sindh which is part of present day Pakistan. Sindhis that live in Pakistan are predominantly Muslim, while many Sindhi Hindus emigrated to India when British India was divided in 1947. The Sindhi language is an Indo-Aryan tongue with an eclectic history like the Sindhis themselves.


[edit] History
The original inhabitants of ancient Sindh were believed to be aboriginal tribes speaking languages related to Munda languages. The Dravidian culture blossomed over the centuries and gave rise to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India (now in present-day Pakistan) around 3000 BC. The Indus Valley Civilization went into decline; historians cannot agree on the cause of the decline, but some theories include arrival of tribes from Eastern Europe or the change in the path of the Indus River.


SERAIKIS


The Saraiki people (Urdu: سراییکی) or Multani people (Hindi: मुल्तानी, Urdu: ملتانی) are an ethnic group from the south-eastern areas of Pakistan, especially in the area of the former princely state of Bahawalpur and the districts of Sukhur, Multan, Lodhran, Khanewal, Rajanpur, Dera Ghazi Khan, MuzafarGarh, Layyah, Bhakkar, Mianwali, Dera Ismail Khan, Khushab, Sargodha, Jhang, Vihari. A significant number of Saraikis also reside in India, with most concentrated in the state of Punjab, Maharashtra and Gujurat. The Saraikis maintain that they have a separate language and culture, but their language is often viewed as a dialect of Sindhi or Punjabi. While most Saraikis follow Islam, some follow Hinduism.

RAJPUTS

Before the advent of Islam, but after the Aryan migrations, several invasions and mass migrations of the Central Asian tribes named as the Sakas, Parthians, Kushans, Huns and Gujjars took place in the Punjab (and other parts of Pakistan). The last two tribes i.e. the Huns (White Huns/ Epthalites) and Gujjars arrived in the 5th century AD when Hinduism had revived under the Gupta Empire but had not fully succeeded in crushing the influence of Buddhism. As the Gupta Empire collapsed under the impact of Hun invasions, it caused deep consternation among Brahmins in view of their failure to eliminate Buddhism while the Gupta power supporting them in this task had disappeared. Therefore, they began to make overtures to the new arrivals who were valiant, vigorous and warlike. They were offered the rank of Kshatryas in the Hindu fold, a position only next to that of the Brahmins and confers the responsiblity of rulership.

In the course of time the leading groups of Huns were absorbed in the Hindu fold as Kshatryas while Jats, who were the descendants of the remaining groups of Huns, occupied a lower strata of society. But the present day Jats and Rajputs also include the descendants of the previous invaders..... the Sakas and the Kushans and even of earlier races. Sakas, Parthians, Kushans, White Huns, and Gujjars were ethnically Iranian. In fact, Huns (White Huns/Hepthalites) are also called Iranian Huns to differentiate them from the other Mongoloid Huns who invaded Europe. The word Gujjar is derived from Khazar and Jat from Gatae who inhabited around the Caspian Sea and migrated towards northwest South Asia.

RAJPPUTS ARE WARRIOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR CENTURIES.IN PAKISTAN ARMY RAJPUTS ARE IN LARGE NUMBERS AND ARE ALSO INFLUENTIAL.

BALTIS
The Balti are a people of Tibetan descent with some Dardic admixture whose population of 300,000 is found in Pakistani-controlled Baltistan (a former district of Ladakh); and in Kargil and Leh districts of Ladakh, a region in Indian-controlled Jammu & Kashmir. The Balti language belongs to the Tibetan language family and is a sub-dialect of Ladakhi.

PATHANS


The most interesting origin is that of PATHANS.Them most convincing theory is that they are from LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

Below are the names/places common among the Pathans and the Bani-Israel.

1. Pathan Pashtoons also known as Pathans.Very few people knows that Pithon is the name of the great-grandson of King Saul,mentioned among a list of hundreds of names chronicling the descendants of the Twelve Tribes (Ref:Chronicles I , 8:35)

8:34 The son of Jonathan:Meribbaal.8Meribbaal was the father of Micah.



8:35 The sons of Micah:Pithon, Melech, Tarea, and Ahaz.

2. AFGHANISTAN Afghanistan is derived from "Afghana," the grandson of King Saul of the tribe of Benjamin. This Historical fact is also ignored by the “innocent” so called Western “Historians”



3. KOHAT City in the NWFP and also Meaning: assembly in Hebrew is the second son of Levi, and father of Amram (Gen. 46:11) He came down to Egypt with Jacob, and lived to the age of one hundred and thirty-three years (Ex. 6:18).Note: The so called great Western Historians also skipped this important fact in their writings just to conceal the truth.



4. Zabul Zabul was the name of the Son or grandson of Israel and also it’s the name province in Afghanistan.The fact is during the time Mahmud Ghaznavi,the whole of Afghanistan was called as ZABUL as famous poet FIRDAUSI called Mahmud as SHAH-E-ZABUL i.e King of Zabul.(Also this is ignored by the Wicked Historians of the West)



5. Khyber A fort of Jews during the time of Dear Prophet Muhammad(sallalaho alay hay wa sallam)...and also a place on Pakistan and Afghanistan border which also has the same meaning as that of Hebrew i.e Fort.



6. Peshawer This city in NWFP province of Pakistan has its name and location present in the Torah, a place called HABER or HAWER is mentioned as the place of exile of the lost tribes.Now Peshawer is comprised of two parts,the word Pesh means the Pass( which can be the famous Khyber Pass) and the Hawer means city and thus PESHAWAR means the city after the pass . Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of



“The God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgath Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them to Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river of Gozan, to this day.”



7. GOZAN (The Amu Darya):Also Gozan is mentioned in as the place of exile of the lost tribe. In Afghanistan the river Amu was also called River Gozan according to Afghani tradition. Therefore Historian Saadia Gaon called the Amu darya al the place of exile of the lost tribe. Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of



“The God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgath Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them to Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river of Gozan, to this day.”



8. Childern of Joseph Yusufzai a famous pashtoon tribe claim to be the decendant of Joseoh(Yusuf) i.e Prophet of Bani Israel.



9. Afridis This famous tribe of Pashtoons is named after the son of Israel called Ephraim or Afraim.



10. Karak This is a city in Jordon(formally part of ancient Jewish state and also its a city in NWFP province of Pakistan.



11. Lugar A province in Afghanistan and also a name of present day Israeli family name, not to forget the famous wrestler LEX LUGAR.



12. Kabul Kabul is capital of Afghanistan and its a Hebrew word .Cab means unpleasant(or dirty) and bul means city meaning unpleasant city.



13. KHAN Most Pathans use KHAN in their names which resembles COHEN used in Jewish names.Also in Israel there is a city called YOUNUS KHAN with the word KHAN in it.



14. TAKHT-E-SULEAMAN:This is the name of a place in the Pashtun area of Pakistan .It means the Throne of the Israeli King and also the Prophet Hazart Suleman (Alayhay Salam). This place is situated in the mountain ranges also named after King Solomon (Hazrat Suleman) as Koh-e-Suleman.



15. HARAT Also a place called HARA is mentioned in as the place of exile of the lost tribes and HARAT is a famous city in Afghanistan. Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of



“The God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgath Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them to Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river of Gozan, to this day.”



16. KASH/KISH . Kish/Kash is is the name of numerous personalities mentioned in the Chronicles,all from the Bani-Israel,.like 1) A Levite of the family of Merari (1 Chr. 23:21; 24:29) ,(2.) A Benjamite of Jerusalem (1 Chr. 8:30; 9:36), (3.) A Levite in the time of Hezekiah (2 Chr. 29:12). In Afghanistan many places are named after Kash/Kish,like the desert of Dasht-I-Kash, lies in the north of the Helmund., the city of KASH which is mentioned in the map of Afghanistan 1912 in the Library of Congress USA, the main mountain ranges of Afghanistan also called the HINDU-KUSH and KASH ROD in Nimroz province .



17. MADIAN In Bible history, Madian was where Israeli Prophet Hazrat Musa(alayhay salam) spent the 40 years between the time that he left Egypt after killing an Egyptian who had been beating a Hebrew (Ref:Exodus 2:11-15). In the Pathan area of SWAT valley in Pakistan there is also a city with the same name as MADIAN.





18. DASHT-YAHOODI (The Jewish Plain) There is a famous place in the district MARDAN in Pakistan which is called Dasht-e-Yahoodi since its existence. (Reference : (H.W. Bellew, An Enquiry into the Ethnography of Afghanistan, 34),



19. KILLA YAHOODI( THE FORT OF JEWS) TA place at the eastern boundry of the subcontinent (the Afghanistan border)is called KILLA YAHOODI (The fort of Jews) (Reference : (H.W. Bellew, An Enquiry into the Ethnography of Afghanistan, 34),


KASHMRIS

Some historians say that kashmiris are from ARYAN race .But there are others who say that they to like pathans are the lost tribe of israel.

Names like Israelites in Kashmir

Recently Mr. Ikbal Chapri, the owner of a houseboat called Haifa (the same name as a big city in Israel) in Srinagar, Kashmir, has written about this topic in the local newspapers.

His article was about the names of the tribes and places of Kashmir which are exactly Hebrew. I have a copy of two pages of the list. For example, one of the tribes of Kashmir is called Asheriya which is Asher, the tribe of Dand is Dan, Gadha is Gad, Lavi is Levi. The Tribe of Shaul is the Hebrew name of King Saul. Musa is Moses, Suliamanish is Solomon. And you also have the tribe of Israel, the tribe of Abri which is the tribe of Hebrew, and the tribe of Kahana which is the word for Jewish priest.

There are also 50-75 names of places in Kashmir which are in fact the Hebrew names that ancient Israelites were very familiar with. There is a place called Samaryah which is Samaria. Mamre is Mamre, Pishgah is Pisgah, Nabudaal is Mt. Nevo, Bushan is Bashan, Gilgit is Gilgal, Heshba is Heshbon, Amunah is Amon, Gochan is Goshen, Median-pura is Midian, and Guzana is Gozan which is a place name in Assyria and the very place where the Ten Tribes of Israel were deported.

The name Israel is very common among them as it is among the Pathans, and this name is never used among the Muslims. They also light a candle for the Sabbath, have sidelocks, beards, and emblem or design of the Shield of David.
 
Btw, dude, your article is shyt.

Just being honest, lots of proven mistakes.

EDIT: This seems to be pieced togther from mosiach.com?
 
Whats the mistake,Only kashmir is taken from Moschiac.I am not saying any thing defininitely if you have any other details about origins of races in Pakistan then bring them forward.I am ready for correction.This thread is for discussion about the races in Pakistan you can bring in more.I think I am quite sure about PATHANS,PUNJABIS,RAJPUTS,BALOCHS SERAIKIES But abut KASHMIR you can correct me.
 
RR any statement on Punjabis being Aryan :P :P


If so i think all the Indians are also Aryans :)
 
Whats the mistake,Only kashmir is taken from Moschiac.I am not saying any thing defininitely if you have any other details about origins of races in Pakistan then bring them forward.I am ready for correction.This thread is for discussion about the races in Pakistan you can bring in more.I think I am quite sure about PATHANS,PUNJABIS,RAJPUTS,BALOCHS SERAIKIES But abut KASHMIR you can correct me.

It's full of mistakes. Too many. I'll begin.

This thread is about RACES in PAKISTAN.i.e PATHANS,PUNJABIS,SINDHIS,BALOCHIS,RAJPUTS,BALTIS,K ASHMIRISe.t.c

First mistake. They're not "Races" of Pakistan, they're ethnic groups of Pakistan. Pakistan is mainly a single race, but many ethnic groups (call them sub-races if you want to).


This is taken from wiki so you can imagine how incorrect it would be.

Punjabi people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the origin of Punjabis can be traced back to ARYANS who came in INDIA centuries ago.Punjabis have significantly lighter complexion then the rest of indian races(excluding pathans) .

Eastern Punjabis I guess are an "Indian race", Pathans are not an Indian race. Western Punjabis are a Pakistani ethnic group. The origin of the Punjabis I would say is part Aryan and part Dravidian. The most Aryan people in Asia I would say are Pashtuns along the Afghan-Pak border. By the time the Eastern Indo-Pak border is reached the majority of people begin to look different.

The Punjabis found in Pakistan are composed of clans and tribes (the aforementioned qaums) often with a correspondence with traditional occupations. Pre-Islamic Kambohs, Gujjars, Jats and Rajputs (such as the Janjuas) predominate with the Gakhars, Awans, and Arains, comprising the main tribes in the north, while Gilanis, Gardezis, Syeds and Quraishis are found in the south. There are Pashtun tribes like the Niazis and the Shaikhs, which are very much integrated into Punjabi village life. Especially the members of the Niazi tribe, who see themselves as Punjabis first. They have big communities in Mianwali, Bakkar, Lahore, Faisalabad, Sahiwal and Toba Tek Singh. Punjabis in Pakistan, especially in major urban cities have diverse origins, with many post Islamic settlers tracing their origin to Afghanistan, Persia, Arabia, Kashmir and Central Asia. Many Punjabis may contain some physical traces of Central Asians due to the invasions. [18]

Well this is all nonsense. Punjabis are basically Pashtun, but more dravidianized. The Dravidian epicentre is in central India, so it would be expected that they would be more dravidianzed than Pashtuns.

BALOCHIS

The Baloch (بلوچ; alternative transliterations Baluch, Balouch, Bloach,Balooch, Balush, Balosh, Baloosh, Baloush et al.) are an Iranian people inhabiting the region of Balochistan in Iran and Pakistan, Iraq , Syria as well as neighbouring areas of Afghanistan and the southeast corner of the Iranian plateau in Southwest Asia.

Well, Baloch are definitely not an "Iranian" people genetically. They might be classed as speaking an Iranic language, which doesn't mean much, and certainly isn't related to modern day Iran. It's a deceptive description to call the Balock an "Iranian" people..they have nothing in common with Persians who form the majority of modern day Iran.

The Baloch speak Balochi, which is considered a northwestern Iranian language and the Baloch are accordingly generally considered an Iranian Martial Race.But other historians consider them to be ARABS and descndents of ISMAEL(A.S)

Another wiki link
Baloch people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Baloch have nothing to do with modern day Iran, linguistically or genetically. Kurds are another matter.

SINDHIS

Sindhis (सिन्धी, سنڌي) are an Indo-Aryan language speaking socio-ethnic group of people originating in Sindh which is part of present day Pakistan. Sindhis that live in Pakistan are predominantly Muslim, while many Sindhi Hindus emigrated to India when British India was divided in 1947. The Sindhi language is an Indo-Aryan tongue with an eclectic history like the Sindhis themselves.


[edit] History
The original inhabitants of ancient Sindh were believed to be aboriginal tribes speaking languages related to Munda languages. The Dravidian culture blossomed over the centuries and gave rise to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India (now in present-day Pakistan) around 3000 BC. The Indus Valley Civilization went into decline; historians cannot agree on the cause of the decline, but some theories include arrival of tribes from Eastern Europe or the change in the path of the Indus River.

"The Dravidian culture blossomed over the centuries and gave rise to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India" .. need I say anymore? It's obviously written by some Indian claiming the Indus Valley Civilization was a Tamil/Dravidian civilization.

PATHANS

The most interesting origin is that of PATHANS.Them most convincing theory is that they are from LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

Below are the names/places common among the Pathans and the Bani-Israel.

1. Pathan Pashtoons also known as Pathans.Very few people knows that Pithon is the name of the great-grandson of King Saul,mentioned among a list of hundreds of names chronicling the descendants of the Twelve Tribes (Ref:Chronicles I , 8:35)

8:34 The son of Jonathan:Meribbaal.8Meribbaal was the father of Micah.



8:35 The sons of Micahithon, Melech, Tarea, and Ahaz.

2. AFGHANISTAN Afghanistan is derived from "Afghana," the grandson of King Saul of the tribe of Benjamin. This Historical fact is also ignored by the “innocent” so called Western “Historians”

Well this is all bs. It's from Mosaich.com, and that site really does post rubbish. Pathans have nothing to do with any lost tribe of Israel. This has been genetically proved. Pathans have everything to do with Central Asia, and if there's any group in Asia that could claim to be Aryan, the Pathans would have the biggest creditable reasons to claim it. Much genetic evidence and physical evidence supports this.
 
South Asia is split into several "sub races" as I see it.

1. Iranic people. Baluchis and Pashtuns
2. Indus people. Kashmiris, Punjabis and Sindhis.

3. North Indids. North Indians.
4. East Indians. Assam, Minipur, Burma.
5. Dravidians. South Indians.

These groups rarely mixed with the other groups listed. And Rarely mixed with people of other religions.
 
It's full of mistakes. Too many. I'll begin.



First mistake. They're not "Races" of Pakistan, they're ethnic groups of Pakistan. Pakistan is mainly a single race, but many ethnic groups (call them sub-races if you want to).
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Ok I can call them ethnic groups.


This is taken from wiki so you can imagine how incorrect it would be.

Punjabi people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Eastern Punjabis I guess are an "Indian race", Pathans are not an Indian race. Western Punjabis are a Pakistani ethnic group. The origin of the Punjabis I would say is part Aryan and part Dravidian. The most Aryan people in Asia I would say are Pashtuns along the Afghan-Pak border. By the time the Eastern Indo-Pak border is reached the majority of people begin to look different.



Well this is all nonsense. Punjabis are basically Pashtun, but more dravidianized. The Dravidian epicentre is in central India, so it would be expected that they would be more dravidianzed than Pashtuns. .

Bro get some knowledge.Punjanis have no link what so ever with the pathans.pATHANS ARE JUS ANOTHER People .Punjabis are aryans and their languages their features and other attributes are similar to that f aryans.THEY ARE NOT LOCAL INDIANS THe local Indians arenot aryans .Bt even in India the punjabis their have Aryan roots.



Well, Baloch are definitely not an "Iranian" people genetically. They might be classed as speaking an Iranic language, which doesn't mean much, and certainly isn't related to modern day Iran. It's a deceptive description to call the Balock an "Iranian" people..they have nothing in common with Persians who form the majority of modern day Iran.



Another wiki link
Baloch people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Baloch have nothing to do with modern day Iran, linguistically or genetically. Kurds are another matter.
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If you read my post CAREFULLY I wrote that that some of the scholars said that Balochis are Arab race so theyy are either ARABS/Iranians or very few scholars say that they are cent asian origin.


"The Dravidian culture blossomed over the centuries and gave rise to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India" .. need I say anymore? It's obviously written by some Indian claiming the Indus Valley Civilization was a Tamil/Dravidian civilization.



Well this is all bs. It's from Mosaich.com, and that site really does post rubbish. Pathans have nothing to do with any lost tribe of Israel. This has been genetically proved. Pathans have everything to do with Central Asia, and if there's any group in Asia that could claim to be Aryan, the Pathans would have the biggest creditable reasons to claim it. Much genetic evidence and physical evidence supports this.

I am sorry I didnt even take a word from MOSCHIACH about Pathans I would send you the source.PATHANS them selves say that they are from Bani Israel then how can you contradict that .There are some very strong arguments in favour of that.The tribal elders them selves say that Pathans are a bani israel race.YOu cannot cannot cannnot contradict that .If you wish then you can have a debate with me on this issue.
 
mosabja,

I'm pathan and me and my ancestors are not from Israel.
 
Hi,

Why don't we guys have our DNA's analyzed---rather than argue?
 
Bro get some knowledge.Punjanis have no link what so ever with the pathans.pATHANS ARE JUS ANOTHER People .Punjabis are aryans and their languages their features and other attributes are similar to that f aryans.THEY ARE NOT LOCAL INDIANS THe local Indians arenot aryans .

:P :P RR over to you man.

He is hit by same complex the indian are living under trying hard to prove themselves Aryans.
 

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