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China on way to self reliance in 28-nm chips; to attain maturity in 14-mm category as well

Do you know how much it costs to build a fab? Just for the buildings and the equipment, not including cost to license? $10 billion for a 28 nm fab.
See, building 28 nm fab cos $10 billion and we'd rather spend $10 billion investing in electric car now.

after 15 or 20 year when the most chips will use 28nm, then maybe VN will buy 28nm license and building 28 nm fab maybe just cos $10 million that time :pop:
 
See, building 28 nm fab cos $10 billion and we'd rather spend $10 billion investing in electric car now.

after 15 or 20 year when the most chips will use 28nm, then maybe VN will buy 28nm license and building 28 nm fab maybe just cos $10 million that time :pop:


You are so dense. Nobody will sell their business/factory when the business prospect is still good.
Maybe 15 or 20 year when nobody want to use 130nm anymore, then the fabs will sell to you.
 
You are so dense. Nobody will sell their business/factory when the business prospect is still good.
Maybe 15 or 20 year when nobody want to use 130nm anymore, then the fabs will sell to you.
BMW sold Vinfast the license of Euro5 engine bcs they r using Euro 6 now, so when everyone use 28nm chips, they will sell license to make 32 nm chips to Vn with just $ 10 or 100 million.

No need to be hurry now, no special abt 28nm chips, too. It's just too costly now ($10 billion) :pop:
 
BMW sold Vinfast the license of Euro5 engine bcs they r using Euro 6 now, so when everyone use 28nm chips, they will sell license to make 32 nm chips to Vn with just $ 10 or 100 million.

No need to be hurry now, no special abt 28nm chips, too. It's just too costly now ($10 billion) :pop:

this is why no one takes Chinese seriously utter rubbish you are posting no back up

so after Huawei did patent infringement has Huawei been falling like no tomorrow

 
Huawei is not the only companies making cellphones, one's loss is other's gain, overall, Chinese phone making industry only gets stronger by the day.


China’s Smartphone Shipments See 68% Growth in March as Effects of Pandemic Level Off
By Ding Yi / Apr 19, 2021 05:08 PM / Economy

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Smartphone sellers in China had something to cheer about in March as domestic demand that had previously been restrained due to Covid-19 pandemic has continued to grow.
Last month, China’s smartphone shipments totaled 35.3 million units, representing a year-on-year increase of 67.7%, according to a report released last week by the China Academy of Information and Communications Technology (CAICT), a think tank affiliated with the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.
The shipment surge came as the number of new smartphone models released in the month rose 26.9% year-on-year to 33, the report said.
Overall, a total of 36.1 million mobile phones were shipped in China last month, about 76.2% of which were 5G-enabled handsets, the CAICT said, without breaking out phone sales by operating systems.
While smartphone shipments grew in March, the future of the market remains uncertain amid an ongoing global chip shortage that has affected a wide range of industries from automotives to consumer electronics.
 
Huawei is not the only companies making cellphones, one's loss is other's gain, overall, Chinese phone making industry only gets stronger by the day.


China’s Smartphone Shipments See 68% Growth in March as Effects of Pandemic Level Off
By Ding Yi / Apr 19, 2021 05:08 PM / Economy

1618823284080958.jpg


Smartphone sellers in China had something to cheer about in March as domestic demand that had previously been restrained due to Covid-19 pandemic has continued to grow.
Last month, China’s smartphone shipments totaled 35.3 million units, representing a year-on-year increase of 67.7%, according to a report released last week by the China Academy of Information and Communications Technology (CAICT), a think tank affiliated with the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.
The shipment surge came as the number of new smartphone models released in the month rose 26.9% year-on-year to 33, the report said.
Overall, a total of 36.1 million mobile phones were shipped in China last month, about 76.2% of which were 5G-enabled handsets, the CAICT said, without breaking out phone sales by operating systems.
While smartphone shipments grew in March, the future of the market remains uncertain amid an ongoing global chip shortage that has affected a wide range of industries from automotives to consumer electronics.

off course domestic consumption will go up since its subsidise by the state and Chinese cant cant expensive phones like Apple and Samsung

I am talking about international

btw your source is Chinese so not credible
 
off course domestic consumption will go up since its subsidise by the state and Chinese cant cant expensive phones like Apple and Samsung

I am talking about international

btw your source is Chinese so not credible
It's domestic and international combined, if you are a manufacturer, do you care who buy your products? I don't , money is money. Chinese sources are more reliable than western sources.

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It's domestic and international combined, if you are a manufacturer, do you care who buy your products? I don't , money is money. Chinese sources are more reliable than western sources.

yes but without operating system its useless making the hardware its not a toy its a phone
 
BMW sold Vinfast the license of Euro5 engine bcs they r using Euro 6 now, so when everyone use 28nm chips, they will sell license to make 32 nm chips to Vn with just $ 10 or 100 million.

No need to be hurry now, no special abt 28nm chips, too. It's just too costly now ($10 billion) :pop:

Wrong analogy.

You can't build chip even 130nm just because ASML give you a license to produce litography.
You need to master the foundry technology for 130nm to make such production and it is not as simple as assembly process in car manufacturing.
yes but without operating system its useless making the hardware its not a toy its a phone

Your this kind of argument has been addressed sufficiently many times and I dont see your counter argument yet.

Why repeat the same debunked argument?
 
Chinese phones sold in the world don't have operating system?

Huawei Has Failed To Resolve Security Flaws, U.K. Government Report Says


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Updated Oct 1, 2020, 12:33pm EDT
TOPLINE
Huawei has failed to adequately resolve security flaws in the equipment used by the U.K. telecom networks, the British government’s cyber-spy agency said in an official report released a few months after the Chinese telecom equipment-maker was barred from the country’s 5G mobile networks over security concerns.
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U.K. telcos have been banned from using Huawei's equipment on their 5G networks.
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KEY FACTS
The report, prepared by a U.K. government board led by a member of the cyber-intelligence agency Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) found that there had been no evidence that the Chinese firm has made a significant shift on the matter, the BBC reported.
The report added that while some improvements were made by Huawei, the board could only provide "limited assurance that all risks to UK national security" could be mitigated in the long-term.
The U.K. government had initiated a review of Huawei’s network equipment after the U.S. government issued sanctions against the company in May restricting it from sourcing key components from American suppliers.
Following the sanctions, Britain’s National Cyber Security Centre had determined that Huawei’s equipment could no longer be considered safe as it had to rely on non-US components.
The Trump administration has cracked down on Chinese tech firms over security concerns within the U.S. while also engaging in diplomatic efforts to pressure European governments to bar Huawei devices from being used in their 5G networks.
BIG NUMBER
£2 billion. That is how much the ban on Huawei would cost the U.K government, as the move would result in a delay of up to three years in the country’s planned 5G rollout, Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden had told the British parliament.
TANGENT
Germany is set to impose new restrictions on telecom equipment providers which would effectively prevent Huawei’s devices from being used in the country’s 5G phone networks, the Financial Timesreported on Wednesday. An IT security bill that Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cabinet plans to pass will introduce a two-stage approval process for equipment makers, including a technical check of individual components along with a political assessment of the manufacturer’s “trustworthiness”. While the bill doesn’t explicitly ban Huawei, the report stated that the added bureaucratic approval process would make it nearly impossible for the Chinese firm to participate in building Germany’s 5G network.
KEY BACKGROUND
In July, the U.K. government announced that it was banning Huawei from its upcoming 5G networks. Under the new law, telecom operators in the country will be forced to stop buying hardware from the Chinese firm by the end of the year and will have until 2027 to strip out existing Huawei devices from their infrastructure. This move was a reversal from a January decision, which allowed limited use of Huawei equipment and angered U.S. President Donald Trump. In June, the Federal Communications Commission had officially designatedHuawei as a threat to U.S. communications networks, claiming the company has close ties to the Chinese government and its military services. The agency has barred U.S. telecom companies from using the FCC’s $8.3 billion subsidy fund to purchase any equipment made by the Chinese firm.

FURTHER READING
U.K. Government Bans Huawei Devices From 5G Networks, Existing Equipment To Be Phased Out By 2027 (Forbes)

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What proof you mean? It’s common knowledge. The markets are dominated by few contract manufacturers, by the big 3: Tsmc, Samsung and Global foundries.


Only 2, not including global foundries.
 
You can't build chip even 130nm just because ASML give you a license to produce litography.
You need to master the foundry technology for 130nm to make such production and it is not as simple as assembly process in car manufacturing.
After 15 or 20 years, We can pay good salary for some guys who master the foundry tech for 130 nm and 32 NM chips if we need to make our own chips.

That's why some German experts join Vinfast and help us make good cars. We pay those German guys good salary,dude :pop:

Maybe u will try to say that we can't hire those chips experts bcs VN is poor, but no one care, we only don't hire guys who can't even make a simple 3G phone like u :lol:
 
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