CV-18 Fujian - Type 003 Aircraft Carrier News & Discussions

[Han Patriot]

from google

claim
klām/
verb
verb: claim; 3rd person present: claims; past tense: claimed; past participle: claimed; gerund or present participle: claiming
1.
state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
"he claimed that he came from a wealthy, educated family"
synonyms: assert, declare, profess, maintain, state, hold, affirm, avow;
argue, contend, allege;
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"Davies claimed that she was lying"

you claim something what so ever you like

Don't have to waste time with this guy, I notice he was a false flagger a long time ago.

 

[samsara]

A claim requires evidence in order to have substance; otherwise, it's nothing more than a hollow statement. Anyone can make these.

Well, if a nation like India or Vietnam made such claims one may have great doubt due to the state of their nations as well as its tendency (IND case) to "NATO" (No Action Talking Only), incline to bluff/boast/hype. However, the important figures in China behave quite differently. Time and again, when they said that they could make it, the words really mean what they meant... attainable, something that can be realized in reasonable time frame.

True that the USA as the only major power with its industrial base left untouched, nearly full intact when all major powers were in ruins after the World War II, had started many things earlier than the ROW. But earlier advantages do no mean dominance for good. As time has shown us over and over, the USA started many technologies first but the newcomers even came out with better things. Some examples just for illustration purpose, the USA started the supercomputing field and led on top for the best technologies for many decades, but now no more. The USA launched the 1st GSNN - GPS but the decades later deployed BDS has better accuracy even has the short messaging service, something that GPS lacks of. In fact one can see the latest technology developments during the last decade, the USA hardly makes any wave... just list down if you think differently...

Back to the integrated propulsion system, Dr. Ma Weiming and his research team came out with the 2nd-generation technology while the USA has the 1st-generation one. Because of Dr. Ma Weiming's reputation I do believe his words that when he said China now has the better technology in the IPS, he really meant that and he did really know what he said. We are talking about a millennia-long culture, that is a Chinese culture, that does not encourage or value positively the "big words", bluffing, boasting, hyping and the like...

Of course we all here do understand that time is the best testimony... it will be the impartial and accurate judge of the development. I just write here as a matter of record, thus few years to come perhaps we may look back what we said today

Btw, for someone who's flagging the Canadian flag and behaves as if a Westerner White people, and maintains so much dislike about China today... you are really amazing for your so much interests upon the Chinese developments with your so many questions spread over many threads over times... what a great curiosity to learn about China's latest...

I can only see few personas here flagging the USA or Australian flag and implied to be the White and have adverse opinions on Chinese... yet still they all ask much less than you. In that sense you're truly special!

 

[cirr]

Piece of cake.

 

[Figaro]

"Better tech"? The USN is already close to having an EMALS-equipped vessel in active service while the Chinese are still in the tech demonstrator stage. Moreover, do we really know the Chinese catapult's performance and technology in comparison with that of the US one?

Well, Mr. Ma Weiming did claim that during the NPC congress. And usually, Chinese scientists/technicians don't make such claims unless they're confident of their technologies. IMO, China's EM technology could indeed be better than the one on the Ford ... as both countries have poured in sizable resources. Just because China leapfrogged from a STOBAR to an EM catapult does not automatically imply inferiority ... and the Ford's EM catapult is also brand new with many glitches/bugs. You can count the number of planes Ford's EM has launched into the air ... so active service does not automatically mean maturity. But putting that aside, it has been essentially confirmed that the 003 will use EM catapults and IPS ... basically what the rumors have been saying for a couple months now. No wonder why there was such a delay for the carrier ... anyway good news. We could see modular assembly as early as next year given that they've already started manufacturing individual components.

 

[Dungeness]

Well, Mr. Ma Weiming did claim that during the NPC congress. And usually, Chinese scientists/technicians don't make such claims unless they're confident of their technologies. IMO, China's EM technology could indeed be better than the one on the Ford ... as both countries have poured in sizable resources. Just because China leapfrogged from a STOBAR to an EM catapult does not automatically imply inferiority ... and the Ford's EM catapult is also brand new with many glitches/bugs. You can count the number of planes Ford's EM has launched into the air ... so active service does not automatically mean maturity. But putting that aside, it has been essentially confirmed that the 003 will use EM catapults and IPS ... basically what the rumors have been saying for a couple months now. No wonder why there was such a delay for the carrier ... anyway good news. We could see modular assembly as early as next year given that they've already started manufacturing individual components.

On Yesterday's CCTV-4 "AsiaToday", Chinese Navy Major-general Mr. Yin Zhuo claimed that Chinese J-15s have been successfully tested on land based EMALS "hundreds of times".

 

[Figaro]

On Yesterday's CCTV-4 "AsiaToday", Chinese Navy Major-general Mr. Yin Zhuo claimed that Chinese J-15s have been successfully tested on land based EMALS "hundreds of times".


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Not surprising, which is why it has been confirmed that the next carrier will incorporate EM. Now, it is not a matter of if the 003 has this or that but when it is going to start modular assembly. I really hope we can start to see some construction going on by next year ... they probably fabricated the individual modules by now.

 

[Akasa]

Well, Mr. Ma Weiming did claim that during the NPC congress. And usually, Chinese scientists/technicians don't make such claims unless they're confident of their technologies. IMO, China's EM technology could indeed be better than the one on the Ford ... as both countries have poured in sizable resources. Just because China leapfrogged from a STOBAR to an EM catapult does not automatically imply inferiority ... and the Ford's EM catapult is also brand new with many glitches/bugs. You can count the number of planes Ford's EM has launched into the air ... so active service does not automatically mean maturity. But putting that aside, it has been essentially confirmed that the 003 will use EM catapults and IPS ... basically what the rumors have been saying for a couple months now. No wonder why there was such a delay for the carrier ... anyway good news. We could see modular assembly as early as next year given that they've already started manufacturing individual components.

It wouldn't be the first time that "officials", even higher-up engineers & researchers, have made bold claims. These should be taken with a grain of salt even if the personnel behind the technology have hard-earned credentials.

 

[cirr]

China has accomplished in 5 years and with a little over 100 miilion dollars what the US managed to achieve in some 20 years and with billions of dollars.

 

[samsara]

Poor research. why did he still use the term 001A?

Not a poor research at all. If you pay attention, until today all the Chinese official news outlets incl. the CCTV still consistently use the references TYPE 001A and 002... I wonder why some folks insist on referring the "type" differently

China has accomplished in 5 years and with a little over 100 miilion dollars what the US managed to achieve in some 20 years and with billions of dollars.

the more costly the more convincing!!

 

[Nan Yang]

Just broadcasted

 

[samsara]

Just broadcasted

《FOCUS TODAY》 20171103 Does the 2nd domestic aircraft carrier make technology breakthrough? - Hong Kong media: conventional power
《今日关注》 20171103 第二艘国产航母技术大突破？港媒：常规动力 | CCTV-4

As usual the Focus Today program comes with some key English texts.

13 warships are simultaneously under construction in China's shipyard

。。。

 

[cirr]

China develops a catapult for planes

2017-11-16 08:39 China Daily Editor: Li Yan

A J-15 fighter jet lands on CNS Liaoning in July. (Photo/Xinhua)

Electromagnetic system to boost carrier fleet's combat capability

China has developed its own version of a cutting-edge device previously possessed only by the United States and is poised to use it to boost its aircraft carrier fleet's combat capability.

The device, known as an electromagnetic launch system, or electromagnetic catapult, was designed by Chinese engineers to assist planes taking off from aircraft carriers. The system has been tested with J-15 carrier-borne fighter jets, according to Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, director of the People's Liberation Army Navy's expert consultation committee.

He said on China Central Television recently that J-15s have made "thousands of takeoffs" using the electromagnetic launch system.

Before China developed its catapult, expertise in the technology had long been the domain of the United States, because of the system's complexity and sophistication.

Unlike taking off from a runway on the ground, fixed-wing aircraft on carriers need assistance from a special apparatus to take off because a flight deck is not long enough for a plane to gain sufficient speed to fly. Catapults give them an extra shove.

A steel cable attaches the plane to the catapult and drags it rapidly forward for takeoff. With older technology, the pulling force of the cable was powered by steam. Electromagnetic force provides an alternative solution that brings certain advantages.

China's midsize carrier, the CNS Liaoning, uses a ski-jump design for its takeoff ramp - with an upward slope at one end to increase the angle of a plane's wings, thereby generating lift. Large carriers, however, such as those deployed by the US Navy, use catapults.

Electromagnetic launch systems are believed to be the most advanced carrier-based technology for assisting takeoffs.

Yin said China was able to develop the device because its engineers have designed a state-of-the-art ship-based power system. The country has outperformed the US in the development of such systems, which are considered by military experts as a game-changing technology in naval hardware, he said.

"Compared with the US, we have better technologies in key parts, such as motor-control devices and power distribution software. We are leaders in the research and development of integrated electric power systems," he said.

Yin said that China now possesses proven technologies for both steam catapults and electromagnetic launch systems. He said the Navy's second domestically designed carrier will use a catapult system to assist takeoffs rather than the ski-jump mode.

The Chinese military has yet to announce details regarding the new carrier, but some observers speculate that construction will begin soon in Shanghai.

The PLA Navy's current carrier, the Liaoning, was refitted from a partially built Soviet ship. It went into service in September 2012 and has completed several long-range training exercises.

In late April, China put its first domestically developed carrier into the water at a shipyard in Dalian, Liaoning province. It is currently being fitted with equipment and undergoing tests. It is the largest and most sophisticated vessel yet for China. Its name will be announced once it is commissioned.

Both carriers have a displacement of 50,000 metric tons and employ the ski-jump mode for launching fixed-wing aircraft.

Wang Yanan, editor-in-chief of Aerospace Knowledge magazine, said that the use of a catapult enables a carrier to launch larger and heavier aircraft such as fixed-wing early-warning planes and allows fighter jets to carry more fuel and weapons.

He said electromagnetic launch systems are able to control the force of acceleration better than the old steam-powered design, and is safer for planes. They are also smaller and use less fuel than the steam-based devices, he said.

http://www.ecns.cn/military/2017/11-16/281108.shtml

 

[Akasa]

China develops a catapult for planes

2017-11-16 08:39 China Daily Editor: Li Yan

A J-15 fighter jet lands on CNS Liaoning in July. (Photo/Xinhua)

Electromagnetic system to boost carrier fleet's combat capability

China has developed its own version of a cutting-edge device previously possessed only by the United States and is poised to use it to boost its aircraft carrier fleet's combat capability.

The device, known as an electromagnetic launch system, or electromagnetic catapult, was designed by Chinese engineers to assist planes taking off from aircraft carriers. The system has been tested with J-15 carrier-borne fighter jets, according to Rear Admiral Yin Zhuo, director of the People's Liberation Army Navy's expert consultation committee.

He said on China Central Television recently that J-15s have made "thousands of takeoffs" using the electromagnetic launch system.

Before China developed its catapult, expertise in the technology had long been the domain of the United States, because of the system's complexity and sophistication.

Unlike taking off from a runway on the ground, fixed-wing aircraft on carriers need assistance from a special apparatus to take off because a flight deck is not long enough for a plane to gain sufficient speed to fly. Catapults give them an extra shove.

A steel cable attaches the plane to the catapult and drags it rapidly forward for takeoff. With older technology, the pulling force of the cable was powered by steam. Electromagnetic force provides an alternative solution that brings certain advantages.

China's midsize carrier, the CNS Liaoning, uses a ski-jump design for its takeoff ramp - with an upward slope at one end to increase the angle of a plane's wings, thereby generating lift. Large carriers, however, such as those deployed by the US Navy, use catapults.

Electromagnetic launch systems are believed to be the most advanced carrier-based technology for assisting takeoffs.

Yin said China was able to develop the device because its engineers have designed a state-of-the-art ship-based power system. The country has outperformed the US in the development of such systems, which are considered by military experts as a game-changing technology in naval hardware, he said.

"Compared with the US, we have better technologies in key parts, such as motor-control devices and power distribution software. We are leaders in the research and development of integrated electric power systems," he said.

Yin said that China now possesses proven technologies for both steam catapults and electromagnetic launch systems. He said the Navy's second domestically designed carrier will use a catapult system to assist takeoffs rather than the ski-jump mode.

The Chinese military has yet to announce details regarding the new carrier, but some observers speculate that construction will begin soon in Shanghai.

The PLA Navy's current carrier, the Liaoning, was refitted from a partially built Soviet ship. It went into service in September 2012 and has completed several long-range training exercises.

In late April, China put its first domestically developed carrier into the water at a shipyard in Dalian, Liaoning province. It is currently being fitted with equipment and undergoing tests. It is the largest and most sophisticated vessel yet for China. Its name will be announced once it is commissioned.

Both carriers have a displacement of 50,000 metric tons and employ the ski-jump mode for launching fixed-wing aircraft.

Wang Yanan, editor-in-chief of Aerospace Knowledge magazine, said that the use of a catapult enables a carrier to launch larger and heavier aircraft such as fixed-wing early-warning planes and allows fighter jets to carry more fuel and weapons.

He said electromagnetic launch systems are able to control the force of acceleration better than the old steam-powered design, and is safer for planes. They are also smaller and use less fuel than the steam-based devices, he said.

http://www.ecns.cn/military/2017/11-16/281108.shtml

Is the CATOBAR-configured J-15 a demonstrator for a follow-on (5th gen) carrier fighter or will it actually go into production?

 

[JSCh]

Future Chinese aircraft carriers to feature J-20, J-31 stealth fighters
By Deng Xiaoci Source:Global Times Published: 2017/12/6 22:48:40

China's future straight-deck aircraft carriers with the electromagnetic launcher system will carry fifth-generation jet fighters like J-20 and J-31, Chinese experts said on Wednesday, following reports that Chinese first home-grown aircraft carrier is close to completing a mooring test.

The first domestically-built aircraft carrier will soon take the sea test, according to Military Time, a China Central Television military program on Saturday.

Since the warship, widely known as the Type 001A, like the country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, uses an upward ski jump-style deck, the Chinese J-15 fighters will be the top option for its carrier-based aircraft, the report said.

J-15 fighters, nicknamed the Flying Shark, took off and landed on the Liaoning for the first time in 2012, and more than 20 of these jets have trained on it.

The J-20 and J-31 will surely be installed on future Chinese aircraft carriers with the catapult system, to protect the carriers, Yin Zhuo, a senior researcher at the PLA Naval Equipment Research Center, told the Military Time.

Yin predicted the J-15 fighters on the Type 001A will be around 40, about the same as that for Liaoning ship.

Song Zhongping, a TV commentator and military expert, told the Global Times that "It is more likely that J-15 fighters and improved versions will be on board together with stealth fighters such as the J-20 and J-31, as they will be playing different roles."

However, Song pointed out that since the J-20 and J-31 are primarily designed for the air force, adapting them as navy fighters will entail some costs. "The J-20 will be more expensive to modify than the J-31."

The sea test for the Type-001A could be conducted as early as the beginning of next year, Zhang Ye, a research fellow at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, told the Global Times.

 

[Akasa]

Future Chinese aircraft carriers to feature J-20, J-31 stealth fighters
By Deng Xiaoci Source:Global Times Published: 2017/12/6 22:48:40

China's future straight-deck aircraft carriers with the electromagnetic launcher system will carry fifth-generation jet fighters like J-20 and J-31, Chinese experts said on Wednesday, following reports that Chinese first home-grown aircraft carrier is close to completing a mooring test.

The first domestically-built aircraft carrier will soon take the sea test, according to Military Time, a China Central Television military program on Saturday.

Since the warship, widely known as the Type 001A, like the country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, uses an upward ski jump-style deck, the Chinese J-15 fighters will be the top option for its carrier-based aircraft, the report said.

J-15 fighters, nicknamed the Flying Shark, took off and landed on the Liaoning for the first time in 2012, and more than 20 of these jets have trained on it.

The J-20 and J-31 will surely be installed on future Chinese aircraft carriers with the catapult system, to protect the carriers, Yin Zhuo, a senior researcher at the PLA Naval Equipment Research Center, told the Military Time.

Yin predicted the J-15 fighters on the Type 001A will be around 40, about the same as that for Liaoning ship.

Song Zhongping, a TV commentator and military expert, told the Global Times that "It is more likely that J-15 fighters and improved versions will be on board together with stealth fighters such as the J-20 and J-31, as they will be playing different roles."

However, Song pointed out that since the J-20 and J-31 are primarily designed for the air force, adapting them as navy fighters will entail some costs. "The J-20 will be more expensive to modify than the J-31."

The sea test for the Type-001A could be conducted as early as the beginning of next year, Zhang Ye, a research fellow at the People's Liberation Army Naval Research Institute, told the Global Times.

There is little doubt that the PLAN will eventually pursue 5th-generation aircraft for their carriers. The question is, will the fighter be based on the J-20 or FC-31 design?