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Sunday, 10 July 2016 | Kanchan Gupta | in Coffee Break


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Islamist preacher Zakir Naik is a symptom, one of the many puss-filled festering sores that represent the wider malaise of radical Islamism in India and abroad. But what about the papier mache Indian state?

On January 16 this year media had published a news story, filed by PTI, that reflected the extent to which the papier mache Indian state has been corroded by vote-bank pandering. At another level, it showed the mainstreaming, if that’s the right word, of odious and regressive Sharia’h practices in the wondrous Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic of India.

I reproduce here the PTI story, or the version of it which was published in The Indian Express:

In the wake of objections by a Muslim body, the Uttar Pradesh Government late Friday night revoked its decision to bar men having two or move wives from appointment as Urdu teachers. The State Government said the appointments would be made as per the rules and regulation in the past and there will be no change.

“While signing the government order today, I saw that there is no such clause in it and, therefore, we have issued a clarification in this regard,” Minister for Basic Education Ahmed Hasan said. “We are not able to understand how such a thing has surfaced… it is a wrong propaganda against the Government,” he claimed.

According to a recent Government order, candidates applying for the post must reveal their marital status and all those with two living wives would not be eligible. Women candidates married to a man with two surviving wives have also been barred from applying.

The notice for appointment of 3,500 Urdu teachers in primary schools was issued recently. The Muslim Personal Law Board had strongly opposed it, saying the order was violative of Islamic law and rights of Muslims.

“Government cannot impose such conditions when it comes to recruitment of staff. There is a provision for four marriages in Islam, even though just about one per cent of Muslim men have two wives. Even so, such conditions should not become part of the job application process,” Imam of Lucknow’s Eidgah Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangi Mahali had said.

Three conclusions can be safely drawn from this story.

First, we have now reached a stage where Government decisions and orders compliant with the Constitution of India, laws and rules are contested if they are seen to be not Sharia’h compliant. Instead of sticking to that which is legally and morally correct, Government or its agencies capitulate at the slightest push, choosing political expediency over the lofty principles of secularism that, in any case, now lie in tatters after being subjected to mind-numbing perversities.

Second, the inalienable right, choice and freedom of taxpayers to decide how their money should be spent by Government is treated with unabashed contempt by politicians in power and their feckless lackeys in the bureaucracy. An otherwise activist judiciary eager to lay down rules of conduct for cricket administrators and given to asking profound questions as to why Parliament cannot select the Indian cricket team, has neither the time nor the inclination to protect the taxpayers right, choice and freedom.

Third, Urdu may have been patronised by the Muslim elite in its salad days, it was never an exclusive ‘Muslims only’ language. This appropriation of Urdu as an element of Muslim identity not only communalises a community and legitimises its separateness, it also makes it hostage to the dangerous machinations of a clergy inimical to change and progress. In fact, Urdu becomes an instrument of aggressive — as opposed to surreptitious, as was the case earlier — Sharia’h propagation and implementation, ironically with the Indian state partnering this reprehensible exercise.

So why am I drawing upon a story reported in January while writing in July? What prompted me to revisit the story, which I had flagged and filed for reference, is the ongoing chatter on Radical Islamist preacher and tele-evangelist Zakir Naik. His television channel, ridiculously and offensively named Peace TV, is prohibited from being broadcast in India, and for good reasons too.

But prohibition by law is rarely if ever effective in India where laws exist in abundance but are disdainfully more honoured in the breach than in the observance. Direct to home service providers do not beam Peace TV, yet that does not mean it is inaccessible. Across the country in ghettos, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari and Kutch to Kamrup, cable operators bring Zakir Naik;s vile teachings to believers eager to believe every twisted interpretation of Islam.

A friend from Mumbai recounted how in a nearby slum inhabited by Bangladeshi illegal immigrants Zakir Naik’s sermons would be amplified for weekly and festive gatherings. Beat your wife, kill gays, demonise the West, repudiate modern education... and more would be listened to in awe and silence, to be practiced in real life at a latter date or possibly now and then.

It would be wrong to surmise that Zakir Naik panders to the underclass, the poor and the disadvantaged. His appeal cuts across class and country. The Bangladeshi jihadis who committed the recent carnage at a fashionable Dhaka cafe came from elite families, attended the most expensive and exclusive schools, and lived the high life till they discovered the road to ‘martyrdom’.

At least two of the mass murderers, it now transpires, were radicalised by the hate speech of Zakir Naik. How many in India would have been similarly radicalised by his bunk?

The Congress says the UPA Government it headed prohibited the beaming of Peace TV but the NDA Government led by BJP did nothing to stop its re-emergence. That’s poppycock. PeaceTV was always accessible through cable operators. That the BJP regime, which tirelessly parrots its commitment to halt radicalisation of Muslims, has singularly failed in matching deed with word is another story to be told another day.

Vacuous, platitudinous statements by the Prime Minister and his Ministers on how terror and terrorists have no religion, and importuning India to the world community, asking others to fight a global war on terror in which we, of course, shall not participate, are no substitute for action. I do wish the Prime Minister and his Ministers spare a few moments to listen to what the ‘headmaster’ father of chocolate-faced Burhan Wani, a ruthless Kashmiri terrorist killed by security forces on Friday, has to say in response to his son’s death.

Frankly, Zakir Naik is a symptom, one of the many pus-filled festering sores that have come to represent the wider malaise of radical Islamism in India and abroad. A state that fails to stand by principles of secularism, like the Indian state falters and falls repeatedly, is no less a symptom. Zakir Naik teaches that it is a Muslim’s duty to have four wives and it is his right to beat them into subservience and submission as per Sharia’h. The Indian state plays a complicit role in making that teaching into reality as the Government order on the appointment of Urdu teachers shows.

Where do we start? Where do we end?

(The writer is a current affairs analyst based in NCR)
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columni...k-preaches-hate-indian-state-capitulates.html

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To summarise,
1) Be it congress or BJP in power, vote bank pandering continues unabated.

2) Uniform Civil code is the need of the hour so that religion takes a back seat in a democratic country like India. Country should be a citizen's first priority and not religion.

3) Zakir Naik!!! This man often contradicts his own statements. For example on one side he writes a book on "Women's rights in Islam" and on the other, he asks Sania Mirza to wear decent clothes while playing (tennis).

Indian state has been soft on hate-mongers, be it Prachi or Zakir Naik.
Ppl like him have been working assiduously to divide India, while we allow them to utter mendacious nonsense under the garb of "freedom of speech".
Where do we draw the line?



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I'm tagging mods here.
@WebMaster @WAJsal @Manticore
I hope the content of the article is acceptable, if not, I'm ready to delete the thread.
 
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I used to hear they guy a couple of years back,no doubt a charismatic guy.
But he is extremely divisive.

Need of the hour is uniform civil code as the op has rightly pointed out.
Will it happen??Not in my lifetime,no.
 
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Sunday, 10 July 2016 | Kanchan Gupta | in Coffee Break


T330_8562_Untitled-16.gif
Islamist preacher Zakir Naik is a symptom, one of the many puss-filled festering sores that represent the wider malaise of radical Islamism in India and abroad. But what about the papier mache Indian state?

On January 16 this year media had published a news story, filed by PTI, that reflected the extent to which the papier mache Indian state has been corroded by vote-bank pandering. At another level, it showed the mainstreaming, if that’s the right word, of odious and regressive Sharia’h practices in the wondrous Sovereign, Socialist, Secular, Democratic Republic of India.

I reproduce here the PTI story, or the version of it which was published in The Indian Express:

In the wake of objections by a Muslim body, the Uttar Pradesh Government late Friday night revoked its decision to bar men having two or move wives from appointment as Urdu teachers. The State Government said the appointments would be made as per the rules and regulation in the past and there will be no change.

“While signing the government order today, I saw that there is no such clause in it and, therefore, we have issued a clarification in this regard,” Minister for Basic Education Ahmed Hasan said. “We are not able to understand how such a thing has surfaced… it is a wrong propaganda against the Government,” he claimed.

According to a recent Government order, candidates applying for the post must reveal their marital status and all those with two living wives would not be eligible. Women candidates married to a man with two surviving wives have also been barred from applying.

The notice for appointment of 3,500 Urdu teachers in primary schools was issued recently. The Muslim Personal Law Board had strongly opposed it, saying the order was violative of Islamic law and rights of Muslims.

“Government cannot impose such conditions when it comes to recruitment of staff. There is a provision for four marriages in Islam, even though just about one per cent of Muslim men have two wives. Even so, such conditions should not become part of the job application process,” Imam of Lucknow’s Eidgah Maulana Khalid Rasheed Firangi Mahali had said.

Three conclusions can be safely drawn from this story.

First, we have now reached a stage where Government decisions and orders compliant with the Constitution of India, laws and rules are contested if they are seen to be not Sharia’h compliant. Instead of sticking to that which is legally and morally correct, Government or its agencies capitulate at the slightest push, choosing political expediency over the lofty principles of secularism that, in any case, now lie in tatters after being subjected to mind-numbing perversities.

Second, the inalienable right, choice and freedom of taxpayers to decide how their money should be spent by Government is treated with unabashed contempt by politicians in power and their feckless lackeys in the bureaucracy. An otherwise activist judiciary eager to lay down rules of conduct for cricket administrators and given to asking profound questions as to why Parliament cannot select the Indian cricket team, has neither the time nor the inclination to protect the taxpayers right, choice and freedom.

Third, Urdu may have been patronised by the Muslim elite in its salad days, it was never an exclusive ‘Muslims only’ language. This appropriation of Urdu as an element of Muslim identity not only communalises a community and legitimises its separateness, it also makes it hostage to the dangerous machinations of a clergy inimical to change and progress. In fact, Urdu becomes an instrument of aggressive — as opposed to surreptitious, as was the case earlier — Sharia’h propagation and implementation, ironically with the Indian state partnering this reprehensible exercise.

So why am I drawing upon a story reported in January while writing in July? What prompted me to revisit the story, which I had flagged and filed for reference, is the ongoing chatter on Radical Islamist preacher and tele-evangelist Zakir Naik. His television channel, ridiculously and offensively named Peace TV, is prohibited from being broadcast in India, and for good reasons too.

But prohibition by law is rarely if ever effective in India where laws exist in abundance but are disdainfully more honoured in the breach than in the observance. Direct to home service providers do not beam Peace TV, yet that does not mean it is inaccessible. Across the country in ghettos, from Kashmir to Kanyakumari and Kutch to Kamrup, cable operators bring Zakir Naik;s vile teachings to believers eager to believe every twisted interpretation of Islam.

A friend from Mumbai recounted how in a nearby slum inhabited by Bangladeshi illegal immigrants Zakir Naik’s sermons would be amplified for weekly and festive gatherings. Beat your wife, kill gays, demonise the West, repudiate modern education... and more would be listened to in awe and silence, to be practiced in real life at a latter date or possibly now and then.

It would be wrong to surmise that Zakir Naik panders to the underclass, the poor and the disadvantaged. His appeal cuts across class and country. The Bangladeshi jihadis who committed the recent carnage at a fashionable Dhaka cafe came from elite families, attended the most expensive and exclusive schools, and lived the high life till they discovered the road to ‘martyrdom’.

At least two of the mass murderers, it now transpires, were radicalised by the hate speech of Zakir Naik. How many in India would have been similarly radicalised by his bunk?

The Congress says the UPA Government it headed prohibited the beaming of Peace TV but the NDA Government led by BJP did nothing to stop its re-emergence. That’s poppycock. PeaceTV was always accessible through cable operators. That the BJP regime, which tirelessly parrots its commitment to halt radicalisation of Muslims, has singularly failed in matching deed with word is another story to be told another day.

Vacuous, platitudinous statements by the Prime Minister and his Ministers on how terror and terrorists have no religion, and importuning India to the world community, asking others to fight a global war on terror in which we, of course, shall not participate, are no substitute for action. I do wish the Prime Minister and his Ministers spare a few moments to listen to what the ‘headmaster’ father of chocolate-faced Burhan Wani, a ruthless Kashmiri terrorist killed by security forces on Friday, has to say in response to his son’s death.

Frankly, Zakir Naik is a symptom, one of the many pus-filled festering sores that have come to represent the wider malaise of radical Islamism in India and abroad. A state that fails to stand by principles of secularism, like the Indian state falters and falls repeatedly, is no less a symptom. Zakir Naik teaches that it is a Muslim’s duty to have four wives and it is his right to beat them into subservience and submission as per Sharia’h. The Indian state plays a complicit role in making that teaching into reality as the Government order on the appointment of Urdu teachers shows.

Where do we start? Where do we end?

(The writer is a current affairs analyst based in NCR)
http://www.dailypioneer.com/columni...k-preaches-hate-indian-state-capitulates.html

*******************

To summarise,
1) Be it congress or BJP in power, vote bank pandering continues unabated.

2) Uniform Civil code is the need of the hour so that religion takes a back seat in a democratic country like India. Country should be a citizen's first priority and not religion.

3) Zakir Naik!!! This man often contradicts his own statements. For example on one side he writes a book on "Women's rights in Islam" and on the other, he asks Sania Mirza to wear decent clothes while playing (tennis).

Indian state has been soft on hate-mongers, be it Prachi or Zakir Naik.
Ppl like him have been working assiduously to divide India, while we allow them to utter mendacious nonsense under the garb of "freedom of speech".
Where do we draw the line?



**********
I'm tagging mods here.
@WebMaster @WAJsal @Manticore
I hope the content of the article is acceptable, if not, I'm ready to delete the thread.
People who blame Zakir Nail of spreading hate fail to bring one statement of his which is of hate. The so called Muslims who talk crap against Zakir Naik fail to counter his arguments from Quran and Sunnah.
 
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People who blame Zakir Nail of spreading hate fail to bring one statement of his which is of hate. The so called Muslims who talk crap against Zakir Naik fail to counter his arguments from Quran and Sunnah.
Fine, let me list a few for you
1) Homosexuals should be killed.
2) He claimed death by stoning is acceptable in Islam.
3) Islam is superior to other religions- Mind you such statements have no place in a democratic country like our's.
4) His very controversial statement about female slaves- I won't post it here but you can google it if you want.
5) Girl child looses her virginity by the time she passes out of school, ergo should not be sent to school.
6) Pro wife beating statements.
7) Suicide attacks are not "bad", also refused to condemn attacks by OBL.
 
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Fine, let me list a few for you
1) Homosexuals should be killed.
2) He claimed death by stoning is acceptable in Islam.
3) Islam is superior to other religions- Mind you such statements have no place in a democratic country like our's.
4) His very controversial statement about female slaves- I won't post it here but you can google it if you want.
5) Girl child looses her virginity by the time she passes out of school, ergo should not be sent to school.
6) Pro wife beating statements.
7) Suicide attacks are not "bad", also refused to condemn attacks by OBL.
Punishment of homosexuals well that is order of Islam not Zakir Naik. Secondly death by stoning again order of Islam not his personal opinion. Female Slaves were once part of society but eventually it was stopped and Hazrat UMAR RA banned it totally so nothing wrong there. Yes Girls loosing virginity in schools well again not his opinion but a data was collected in a survey so he suggested Girls to be educated in Girls only schools or if not available than at home again totally according to Islam. Well Quran has allowed beating it's in Hadith that RASOOL SAW what means by beating and what is allowed which is very limited thing and fully explained by Zakir Naik and he just told what Quran and Sunnah says. Well many times even Army soldiers when surrounded by enemies take our Gernades and blow their enemies and themselves used by our soldiers also and many more Armies ad war tactic. Finally for Osama he is not ready to accuse some one just because USA tells stories about that person. He wanted to listen what Osama has to say first before deciding. So again all his opinions are in accordance with Quran and Sunnah
 
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Zarvi bhai, I seriously doubt that most of what you said gets any backing in the holy book. So I want you to back up everything you said with proof. I don't want to make this into a religious discussion, but I really want to know if you blindly follow ppl like Zakir Naik or do you even cross check what he claims??

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Punishment of homosexuals well that is order of Islam not Zakir Naik.
Anyone depite their sexual orientation has the right to live.

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Secondly death by stoning again order of Islam not his personal opinion.
This is archaic.

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Female Slaves were once part of society but eventually it was stopped and Hazrat UMAR RA banned it totally so nothing wrong there.
Whatever be the religion, I would not accept such statements on female slaves.
Albeit I'm sure that it was some sorta misinterpretation, for I know all the religions consider women and men equal.


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Yes Girls loosing virginity in schools well again not his opinion but a data was collected in a survey so he suggested Girls to be educated in Girls only schools or if not available than at home again totally according to Islam.
Which survey?
What data???
Btw a girl can loose virginity even by doing household work. Did you know that?
Read this: http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/2008/12/the-hymen-breaking-the-myths/

what's the big deal about a girl's virginity??? Has the same been ever questioned about a man???


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Well Quran has allowed beating it's in Hadith that RASOOL SAW what means by beating and what is allowed which is very limited thing and fully explained by Zakir Naik and he just told what Quran and Sunnah says.
I refuse to believe this.

@Zarvan , if ppl like Zakir Naik are your ideals then it's time you introspected.
 
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Will happen next year if BJP does well in UP ,after next President is elected.
I hope it does, though I am not really optimistic about it since India is secular on streets and religious on sheets.
Btw how is election of president related to it?
 
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Zarvi bhai, I seriously doubt that most of what you said gets any backing in the holy book. So I want you to back up everything you said with proof. I don't want to make this into a religious discussion, but I really want to know if you blindly follow ppl like Zakir Naik or do you even cross check what he claims??

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Anyone depite their sexual orientation has the right to live.

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This is archaic.

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Whatever be the religion, I would not accept such statements on female slaves.
Albeit I'm sure that it was some sorta misinterpretation, for I know all the religions consider women and men equal.


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Which survey?
What data???
Btw a girl can loose virginity even by doing household work. Did you know that?
Read this: http://www.ourbodiesourselves.org/2008/12/the-hymen-breaking-the-myths/

what's the big deal about a girl's virginity??? Has the same been ever questioned about a man???


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I refuse to believe this.

@Zarvan , if ppl like Zakir Naik are your ideals then it's time you introspected.
Sorry homosexuality is a crime in Islam. Death sentence for this crime is a concensus. I always cross check I read Quran and Sunnah than judge what someone is saying. Again archaic or not stoning to death is allowed in Islam. Slavery is not acceptable in Islam but Islam slowly ended it step by step. When talking about virginity we are talking about loosing we are talking about illegitimate sexual relations which is one of the biggest sin in Islam. In other terms all Zakir Naik views are in total accordance with Quran and Sunnah
 
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I hope it does, though I am not really optimistic about it since India is secular on streets and religious on sheets.
Btw how is election of president related to it?
Their is a larger consensus within judiciary govt and certain sections of opposition for its passage ,its hard to oppose it since SC has asked for it ,many womens group have came forward for it and DSP's acc to constitution were Gandhian and liberal principle's needed for ideal society ,with one form of UCC presently working in Goa.

Govt. needs an electoral win before pushing such reforms.
 
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Sorry homosexuality is a crime in Islam. Death sentence for this crime is a concensus. I always cross check I read Quran and Sunnah than judge what someone is saying. Again archaic or not stoning to death is allowed in Islam
Proof???

Slavery is not acceptable in Islam but Islam slowly ended it step by step
Glad you accepted that it's not allowed. But now you're contradicting your previous statement.

When talking about virginity we are talking about loosing we are talking about illegitimate sexual relations which is one of the biggest sin in Islam
1. Legitimacy of it comes into question when one is married to someone.
2. Why did Zakir Naik not advocate stopping boys from going to school? Does the same rule not apply on boys???


Just so you know- Zakir Naik had also said that "all Muslims should be terrorists". You can go ahead read his controversial statements in the link that I have posted in post #5.
 
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Proof???


Glad you accepted that it's not allowed. But now you're contradicting your previous statement.


1. Legitimacy of it comes into question when one is married to someone.
2. Why did Zakir Naik not advocate stopping boys from going to school? Does the same rule not apply on boys???


Just so you know- Zakir Naik had also said that "all Muslims should be terrorists". You can go ahead read his controversial statements in the link that I have posted in post #5.
In Islam coeducation is prohibited and it's equally prohibited for both boys and girls. I am not contradicting my previous statement. I said Islam doesn't accept slavery but Islam didn't immediately ended slavery. So those people who had slaves in time of RASOOL SAW continued to have them. With female slaves sexual relations were allowed. For ending slavery Islam came with laws and guidelines. For example the slave women who when becomes mother used to automatically become free also from minor to major sins ALLAH encouraged Muslims to free slaves so their sins can be forgiven and those who wanted to keep them had to treat them with kind and compassion. This is how slowly slavery was ended. I am not contradicting you wrongly understood my first statement
 
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. With female slaves sexual relations were allowed.
You're talking of something which might have been allowed in past, but Zakir Naik claimed otherwise. He said its still allowed.
In Islam coeducation is prohibited and it's equally prohibited for both boys and girls.
If so there are many co-ed schools in the country that I live in. Why do you think its allowed?
 
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You're talking of something which might have been allowed in past, but Zakir Naik claimed otherwise. He said its still allowed.

If so there are many co-ed schools in the country that I live in. Why do you think its allowed?
If a Muslim majority country is allowing something that doesn't mean it's not allowed in Islam and these unislamic actions of States are major reason for rise in extremism. No slavery was banner by 2nd Caliph of Islam. He banned making new slaves. Those who were slaves kept getting free by time.
 
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