Z-10 & Z-19 Combat Helicopter News & Discussion

[Zarvan]

Two WZ-10 are participating in Pakistan day Parade. So we may have already inducted them and may be more are on order.

 

[hk299792458]

Henri K.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Henri K.

When ?

 

[Deino]

Most likely an old image taken during the hand-over last year.

 

[cirr]

 

[Beast]

Z-19 with wave radar act as command and eyes ,staying behind better armour Z-10. Comunicate thru datalink while the Z-10 act as spear going for the kill. That is most likely the scenario. Z-19 acting like AWACS.

 

[帅的一匹]

Z-19 with wave radar act as command and eyes ,staying behind better armour Z-10. Comunicate thru datalink while the Z-10 act as spear going for the kill. That is most likely the scenario. Z-19 acting like AWACS.

Why Z10 can't mount the top MMR? Engine power shortage or cost concern? Will Z10 has to sacrifice weapon load if it has MMR on it?

@Mastan Khan will Pakistan army more interested in Z19 if it can carry MMR on its top and same weapon load with Z10? I think the only difference is the thickness of the protection armor.

 

[Beast]

Why Z10 can't mount the top MMR? Engine power shortage or cost concern? Will Z10 has to sacrifice weapon load if it has MMR on it?

@Mastan Khan will Pakistan army more interested in Z19 if it can carry MMR on its top and same weapon load with Z10? I think the only difference is the thickness of the protection armor.

Its not neccessary. Have you seen 10 AWACS enter fighting zone acting as command while try to dogfight at the same time?

One AWACS guide 10 other fighter to do the job. That is always the standard procedure.

 

[帅的一匹]

Its not neccessary. Have you seen 10 AWACS enter fighting zone acting as command while try to dogfight at the same time?

One AWACS guide 10 other fighter to do the job. That is always the standard procedure.

Why Apache 64 install MMR on every of it?

 

[Beast]

Why Apache 64 install MMR on every of it?

Do we need to follow blindly everything American has ?

 

[帅的一匹]

Do we need to follow blindly everything American has ?

I think it still be the problem of lower engine power output, lets looking foward Turboshaft type 16. The installation of MMR will add around 200 kg plus to the take off weight, means we need to enhance Z10 engine's HP to balance the added weight.we gonna pull it off in the near future. I wanna see every Z10 carrys MMR. Now the reason why Z19
Can carry MMR is because it replace previous Turboshaft 8c to 9A, from700 hp to 1000hp. Z10 with thicker protection armor can't carry MMR without engine performance enhancement, unless we can put better engine on it.

 

[lcloo]

Z-19 is testing a new mast top radar.

 

[Deino]

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Z-19 is testing a new mast top radar.

Yes and no ! it is indeed testing that radar, but that image came out already in ‎Januar ‎2014.

 

[Penguin]

A promotional video from Harbin has revealed the interior of the Z-19 helicopter’s mast-mounted radar.
posted on Monday, April 18th, 2016 at 11:16

http://alert5.com/2016/04/18/inside-z-19s-mast-mounted-radar/

The millimeter wave (MMW) fire-control radar (FCR) for Z-10 is developed by China Northern Electronic Co. (中国北方电子公司), a subsidiary of Norinco. This MMW FCR is fully solid state and fully digitized, weighing 69.5 kg, less than half of similar former Soviet system.

The Chinese MMW FCR adopts western approach of using a single antenna, similar to AN/APG-78 used for AH-64D Apache Longbow.
The radar is designated as YH, short for Yu Huo (浴火), meaning bathing in fire. YH MMW FCR is fully integrated with other subsystems of the onboard electronic warfare system, such as radar warning receivers (RWR), laser warning receivers (LWR), electronic support measures (ESM), and electronic countermeasures (ECM), with the entire EW system on board Z-10 named after the radar.

installation of millimeter wave radar greatly improve their detection ability and fire control.
Source: mil.huanqiu.com “Disclosure of Z-19 equipped with millimeter wave radar”

http://errymath.blogspot.com/2014/01/disclosure-of-z-19-equipped-with.html#.VxZ3JkchGYA

This MMR could enhance Z-19’s lethality and battlefield survivability by allowing the chopper to launch its Red Arrow ADK-10 ATGMs ('Chinese Hellfire') from defilade similar to what the An/APG-78 FC radar is bringing to the AH-64D Apache program.

http://china-defense.blogspot.nl/2014/01/photos-of-day-z-19s-mast-mounted-radar.html

 

[Blue Marlin]

WZ-10 helicopter gunship might to have improved homemade engine
Posted on April 3, 2016 by buffalo — No Comments ↓


According to a recent report from Qiangjiang Evening, China’s homemade helicopter gunship will hopefully have new-type homemade WZ-16 engine, which features more power than currently used WZ-9C engine, of which the power is merely about 1,000kw.

WZ-16 engine is a medium thrust engine jointly developed by AVIC and France, and will be firstly equipped on Z-15/EC175 helicopter made by China and France, which has won over 100 global orders. WZ-16 engine is expected to improve WZ-10 gunship to the same level of Apache attack helicopter.

At present, WZ-10 gunship can only hang 8 antitank guided missiles, compared to 16 of Apache.

According to famous Chinese military expert Song Zhongping, WZ-10’s maneuverability is comparable with foreign counterparts, but its armors are thinner due to limited power of engine, and this could be fatal in battles.

WZ-10 helicopter was expected to use Canada’s PT6C-67B engine with full authority digital electronic control system and 1,250kw power, but was later obstructed by U.S.

It was reported that WZ-10 helicopter also tried Russia’s VK-2500 and Ukraine’s TV3-117, but finally adopted homemade WZ-9C engine, at the expense of compromising performance.

http://www.china-arms.com/2016/04/wz-10-helicopter-gunship-might-to-have-improved-homemade-engine/