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Yuanwang 4 Sunk by Carrier killer missle DF21 in One test?

After gradually losing advantages in many key areas, US begin using nuclear blackmail?Not confident to win a conventional war ha?
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Some Indian guys begin worrying for their white boss?
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Easy, man. The bunny won't kill your boss. They need each other to squeeze wealth together. It just wanna keep him away from the front door. Ah, this equals a nuclear attack, that equals a nuclear attack. They can equal anything to a nuclear attack. It's their lords' choice whether or not to start a nuclear war for a carrier, not some nervous Indians' or Americans' choice.
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US never lacks excuse to do whatever it wants to do.
 
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The Pershing II missile which was scrapped under treaty with Russia years ago had a Radar guided warhead. If you want to get an idea of minimum warhead size look to it. Also the U.S. has constant sattelite coverage over China. Any ballistic missile launch detection can be easily tracked. And impact point well photographed from space.

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After gradually losing advantages in many key areas, US begin using nuclear blackmail?Not confident to win a conventional war ha?
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Some Indian guys begin worrying for their white boss?

Cute. Racist to boot. Way to stir that "evil whitey" pot. :tdown:

Why not address the test, or the system, instead?

Warhead would have to rely on kinetic energy, and/or chemical explosives. Of the two, the former is more important, as there simply isn't enough room for a devastating bomb blast. And the shell of the RV would necessarily have to be incredibly thick hardened steel to first penetrate, and then detonate, hence KE is the more probable tool.

The thing about KE penetrators at high mach - they tend to punch relatively clean holes. There is a lot of void space in a carrier. The penetrator could conceivably punch right through the whole ship, but a hole a foot or two across isn't going to sink it. It might cut critical systems if it gets lucky, or it might simply be an annoying hole for damage control parties to deal with.
 
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Geez there was a perfectly reasonable and rational discussion here and then Xixi came along!
Please ignore him, he looks to be trolling.
 
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Well I was thinking more if the DF-21D can disable a carrier with a mininal loss of life, it would be more of a credible threat (read Kennedy's Flexible response doctrine)

Slow is relative in this situation, a slowed ICBM reentry vehicle will still be going damned fast.

It is not going to be a friendly missile and if it doesn't do enough damage to disable the potential threat of the carrier then it would have been a failure since the start of the project.

Yes mach 10 is damn fast, but that's the maximum potential speed, in reality it will probably going to be less than that if you consider that you are striking a moving target which will require the warhead to adjust it's angle of attack.

Take a look at this...

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For the above nuclear ICBM, each warhead is actually smaller than a man.

The DF-21 is purportedly a single warhead missile. If the warhead is to be maneuverable, even if it is a single event maneuverable, meaning because of its high descent speed, it has time to execute only one attitude change, the warhead would still need some internal space to accommodate the necessary hardware for it. So whatever 'payload' specs that are in the public domain -- discard them. To truly disable the ship, not necessarily sink it, to remove it from the mission, the impact would have to be spot on the middle of the deck. The explosion would have to be a few microseconds from impact fused to maximize below deck damages.

The main technical hurdle will be the sensor package. Assuming radar for now, the warhead will most likely have as narrow a nosecone as above, which will limit its radar antenna, which will limit its view, which will make it vulnerable to countermeasures, specifically radar view saturation. Yes...I read your source on how far a carrier can maneuver with the time alloted but like I said before, in a ship versus missile engagement, if the missile or warhead failed by one meter, the ship win. All the carrier and its escorts has to do is deploy whatever countermeasures combinations and sharp maneuvers to cause that failure. In a single attack, there will be more countermeasures available than there could be missiles launched.
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It is safer to assume that the threat coming from the missile is of a signifcant threat. The China we have now is not the China of 50 years ago. They are able to put a man in space, build a 5th gen fighter, launch satelites into orbit therefore it is naive to think that this is beyond their capability.

I find it extremely difficult that the hurdles associated with targeting a ship with a ballistic missile have been overcome.
The reaction times are tiny, the onboard space is tiny, the target is tiny, the forces are enormous.

hard

In real war scenario, it is unlikely that this will be the only thing launched at the carrier and the rest be on standby and wait fot it to hit the carrier before unleashing their next string of actions. This could be served as a distraction to open up an attack or together with air and naval assault. The battle group will have to deal with multiple threat coming at them at the same time.
 
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In real war scenario, it is unlikely that this will be the only thing launched at the carrier and the rest be on standby and wait fot it to hit the carrier before unleashing their next string of actions. This could be served as a distraction to open up an attack or together with air and naval assault. The battle group will have to deal with multiple threat coming at them at the same time.


You need to better understand the concept of "network centric warfare"

here are some sources.

Network-centric warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.dodccrp.org/files/Alberts_NCW.pdf

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/transformation/oft_implementation_ncw.pdf


A sample of weapon systems with integrated centric warfare capabilities.

F-35
F-22
B-2
X-47
AEGIS BMD
AEGIS Ashore

AEGIS Combat System

"Aegis, which means shield, is the Navy’s most modern surface combat system. Aegis was designed and developed as a complete system, integrating state-of-the-art radar and missile systems. The AEGIS Combat System is highly integrated and capable of simultaneous warfare on several fronts"


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You need to better understand the concept of "network centric warfare"

here are some sources.

Network-centric warfare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.dodccrp.org/files/Alberts_NCW.pdf

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/transformation/oft_implementation_ncw.pdf


A sample of weapon systems with integrated centric warfare capabilities.

F-35
F-22
B-2
X-47
AEGIS BMD
AEGIS Ashore

AEGIS Combat System

"Aegis, which means shield, is the Navy’s most modern surface combat system. Aegis was designed and developed as a complete system, integrating state-of-the-art radar and missile systems. The AEGIS Combat System is highly integrated and capable of simultaneous warfare on several fronts"


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I am fully aware of those already. Apparently Americans and their beloved close counterparts don't think Chinese has reach that level of sophistication yet. So I thought I'd just play along and stroke their egos :azn:

They obviously fail to see the consistency of China's satellite launches (Beidou navigation system) with full Asia coverage by next year and global coverage by 2020. They also failed in realising that China is going to implement AESA on their J-10b, J-11b and J-20's. China already has their own working Aegis system on some of its destroyers. I assume that the Chinese engineers and military officials knows what to do with these technologies? However, if you feel the need for some China bashing then it is up to you. It's not rare to see the west get their intellegence wrong about the Chinese anyway :lol:
 
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Cute. Racist to boot. Way to stir that "evil whitey" pot. :tdown:

Why not address the test, or the system, instead?

Warhead would have to rely on kinetic energy, and/or chemical explosives. Of the two, the former is more important, as there simply isn't enough room for a devastating bomb blast. And the shell of the RV would necessarily have to be incredibly thick hardened steel to first penetrate, and then detonate, hence KE is the more probable tool.

The thing about KE penetrators at high mach - they tend to punch relatively clean holes. There is a lot of void space in a carrier. The penetrator could conceivably punch right through the whole ship, but a hole a foot or two across isn't going to sink it. It might cut critical systems if it gets lucky, or it might simply be an annoying hole for damage control parties to deal with.

I'm sure they won't waste millions of dollars to punch a small hole on a carrier. Ever see a meteorite crater?:smokin:
 
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Geez there was a perfectly reasonable and rational discussion here and then Xixi came along!
Please ignore him, he looks to be trolling.

What's your problem? There was a perfectly reasonable and rational discussion here and then some Indians or Americans began talking about nuclear attack. Another double standard invented? Were you trolling when post this?Looks like you hadn't ignore me ha. Did that post hurt you? If it did, sorry for that.:wave:
 
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It is safer to assume that the threat coming from the missile is of a signifcant threat.
Assuming this report is true, then of course the threat is significant. We consider any ballistic weapon significant.

The China we have now is not the China of 50 years ago. They are able to put a man in space, build a 5th gen fighter, launch satelites into orbit therefore it is naive to think that this is beyond their capability.
And what make you think the US remained static all these years? Still...China has to obey those annoying things called the laws of physics. There is a limit to internal space. The more you take away of this volume for things that does not go ka-boom, the less ka-boom force you will have. These laws do not take sides.

In real war scenario, it is unlikely that this will be the only thing launched at the carrier and the rest be on standby and wait fot it to hit the carrier before unleashing their next string of actions. This could be served as a distraction to open up an attack or together with air and naval assault. The battle group will have to deal with multiple threat coming at them at the same time.
In a real war scenario, it is highly unlikely that an aircraft carrier would be the ONLY thing coming at China.
 
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I'm sure they won't waste millions of dollars to punch a small hole on a carrier. Ever see a meteorite crater?:smokin:
Yes, but the Earth is a lot more solid than a ship.
 
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Yes, but the Earth is a lot more solid than a ship.

Correct, but the carrier is a lot more harder than the earth. And I'm curious how planes land or take off on a runway with a hole.
 
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Cute. Racist to boot. Way to stir that "evil whitey" pot. :tdown:

Why not address the test, or the system, instead?

Warhead would have to rely on kinetic energy, and/or chemical explosives. Of the two, the former is more important, as there simply isn't enough room for a devastating bomb blast. And the shell of the RV would necessarily have to be incredibly thick hardened steel to first penetrate, and then detonate, hence KE is the more probable tool.

The thing about KE penetrators at high mach - they tend to punch relatively clean holes. There is a lot of void space in a carrier. The penetrator could conceivably punch right through the whole ship, but a hole a foot or two across isn't going to sink it. It might cut critical systems if it gets lucky, or it might simply be an annoying hole for damage control parties to deal with.

Then it would probably make sense to use something a vehicle that will break up easily into smaller pieces no?

The analogy here would be a FMJ or AP versus a hollow point or dumdum bullet. If you know for sure it will penetrate, then it would be better to use something will expand and break up to impart completely its kinetic energy.


Correct, but the carrier is a lot more harder than the earth. And I'm curious how planes land or take off on a runway with a hole.


Actually well there is a chance something very solid and going mach 10 will go through and through on a carrier if it hits and I'm pretty sure if it is just hole a couple of meters, the carrier will still be operational within hours (pretty sure they drill for this kind of stuff). Another option maybe is to make the warhead an area denying dirty bomb with a small radioactive payload similar to the concept behind the Davey Crockett bomb.

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I think the DF-21 reentry vehicle has room to be a bit bigger, the ICBM you show is American (better warhead miniaturization) and a MIRV, the DF-21 design is a single warhead missile and started in the 60's and given the size of Chinese warheads at the time, they most likely made allowances in design spec.
 
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