'Yes, I was trained in Pakistan' - Captured LeT Militant

[s90]

They train in middle of population and no one knows anything

 

[Awesome]

Now we're talking! This is the kind of response I expect.

Nobody is saying that India doesn't deserve anything less... But you guys are implicating JuD wrong in this. The attempt of linking LeT with JuD is the issue here.

 

[Xeric]

One so called LeT operative has been caught and Pakistan is made to stand under the noose, what about the tonnes of 'raw' and half ripe douche bags being arrested on alternative days.

Oh yes, they don't call them terrorists, right!

 

[jehangirhaider]

Now we're talking! This is the kind of response I expect.

if you are expecting such then have a heart, do like a man.do not cry. do not tell the world.Do forget, What RAW is doing inside Pakistan.What you expect from GoP.What Indian army did in East Pakistan.Why they supported Mukti Bahni though it was our internal matter.So when we support then it is terrorism.
Now a days what is happening inside Baluchistan and N.W.F.P with the support of RAW.Do not forget.
We also want to live with peace.Solve the Kashmir dispute according to wishes of people of Kashmir.Stop supporting insurgency inside Pakistan.



Remember:

When one is living inside glass house he should not throw stones on others.
simple is that....

 

[Awesome]

Yeah, I'm sure the JuD, which was desperately trying to prove itself a "Humanitarian Organization", would stack up Kalashnikovs against the walls when they invited journalists over.

Why don't the Journalists go in at some other time?

There's no security frisking there, its a walk in type of establishment. Anyone can go with a mobile phone, snap some shots and come out.

Now you're going to say the real stuff goes on in the basement! And you have to hit 4 knocks and a secret password to enter into the basement.

 

[Flintlock]

Why don't the Journalists go in at some other time?

There's no security frisking there, its a walk in type of establishment. Anyone can go with a mobile phone, snap some shots and come out.

Now you're going to say the real stuff goes on in the basement! And you have to hit 4 knocks and a secret password to enter into the basement.

Gosh, I dunno, maybe they would'nt let them in? Yeah rite -snap some shots and come out .

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Gosh, I dunno, maybe they would'nt let them in? Yeah rite -shap some shots and come out .

I don't think I have heard of people not being let in - since it also was a learning center, parents and students were likely going in and out all day.

You are really clutching at straws, or Kalavas, here.

Just admit that the Indian SF"s screwed up big time be forcing him to regurgitate this easily disproved garbage about the Markaz.

 

[Flintlock]

I don't think I have heard of people nto being let in - since it also was a learning center, parents and students were likely goign in and out all day.

You are really clutching at straws, or Kalavas, here.

Read it!

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Read it!

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/012809Tellis.pdf

When I have time I will, in the mean time can you post the relevant excerpts proving your Markaz argument.

 

[Flintlock]

When I have time I will, in the mean time can you post the relevant excerpts proving your Markaz argument.

The group’s sprawling 200 acre headquarters at
Muridke outside of Lahore, believed to have been constructed with an initial gift from Osama bin
Laden’s Afghan operations and sustained since through contributions by ISI, Saudi charities,
Islamic NGOs, and Pakistani expatriates in Europe and the Middle East, quickly became the
nerve center from whence its vast charitable and militant activities were directed. LeT’s earliest
armed operations began immediately in the Afghan provinces of Konar and Pakhtia, where the
organization set up a series of terrorist training camps that over time were incorporated into the
Al-Qaeda network in Afghanistan. These militant activities, which were initially intended as part
of the ISI-managed war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, became quickly
subordinated to either ISI-supervised efforts at bringing Kabul under Pakistani influence or Al-
Qaeda’s murderous terrorism missions against the West.

_____________________________________________________________
Given the ISI’s long history
of support for LeT, the Pakistani state will require all the assistance it can get if it is to genuinely
eradicate the diverse infrastructure of terrorism maintained by LeT’s current front organization,
the Jamat-ud Dawa (JuD).
_____________________________________________________________
The LeT’s initial focus on Afghanistan is significant because it refutes the common
misapprehension—assiduously fostered since the early 1990s—that the group has always been a
part of the indigenous Kashmiri insurgency. Nothing could be further from the truth. The LeT is
composed primarily of Pakistani Punjabis and has been so from its inception. In fact, its Punjabi
composition, along with its inflexible ideology, is precisely what made it so attractive to the ISI to
begin with, because it could be controlled and directed far more effectively by its Punjabidominated
sponsor, the Pakistan Army, than any local Kashmiri resistance group. Because of
LeT’s founding ties to Al-Qaeda, however, its Punjabi core has over the years been episodically
supplemented by Libyans, Central Asians, and Sudanese—although these non-Pakistani elements
have generally been marginal to the group’s numerical strength.
______________________________________________________________________-
It was only when the indigenous Kashmiri resistance began to flag in 1993 that the ISI directed
LeT, among other Pakistani terrorist groups, to shift its principal focus of operations from the
Afghan theater to Jammu and Kashmir. ISI objectives in engineering this shift were threefold:
First, it enabled the Pakistani military to replace what it saw as feckless local fighters pursuing the
autonomous goal of independence with militants who were battle-hardened in Afghanistan,
beholden to the Pakistani state, and dedicated to the more appropriate objective of incorporating
Kashmir into Pakistan. Second, it permitted the moderate Kashmiris to be replaced by genuinely
committed Wahabi fighters who were capable of inflicting (and intended to unleash) an
unprecedented level of brutality in their military operations because they shared no affinities
whatsoever with the local population. Third, and finally, it permitted Pakistan to pursue an
agenda larger than Kashmir: by employing ideologically charged Islamist foot soldiers from
outside the disputed state—a cohort that hailing from the Pakistani Punjab carried with it all of
Islamabad’s pent up animosities towards India—the local struggle over Kashmir’s status could be
expanded into a larger war aimed at destroying India itself.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Flint, that article itself refers to the fact that training camps were in Afghanistan, and not in the Markaz.

I fail to see how this proves that the Markaz was being used to provide military style training, when the images and other evidence clearly indicate it wasn't.

In fact, the whole argument behind implicating the JuD was that its apparently peaceful front gave it the plausible deniability to fund the militants through the LeT.

Like I said, just admit that the Indian SF"s screwed up big time be forcing him to regurgitate this easily disproved garbage about the Markaz.

 

[almasilyas]

Wah!!! Again another self created story by the indian media, And what indian forces are doing i think they should hand over all their powers of investigation to their media........

 

[Bull]

Slums are a norm in Mumbai... Terrorism is not a norm in Lahore.

Well its in Pakistan.

 

[Flintlock]

Flint, that article itself refers to the fact that training camps were in Afghanistan, and not in the Markaz.

I fail to see how this proves that the Markaz was being used to provide military style training, when the images an other clearly indicate it wasn't.

In fact, the whole argument behind implicating the JuD was that is apparently peaceful front gave it the plausible identifiability to fund the militants through the LeT.

Like I said, just admit that the Indian SF"s screwed up big time be forcing him to regurgitate this easily disproved garbage about the Markaz.

Agno, I think you are avoiding the point. The excerpt clearly shows that JuD is not some innocent school, it was and is the headquarters of the LeT.

Now that this has been established, its irrelevant where the militant was trained, but from what he's saying, its probably somewhere near Muridke headquarters, perhaps in some isolated area.

Your repeated insistence that I "admit" the nonexistent mistake simply shows that you are in denial about the fact that the GOP has not taken any real steps to rein in the LeT.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Agno, I think you are avoiding the point. The excerpt clearly shows that JuD is not some innocent school, it was and is the headquarters of the LeT.

Now that this has been established, its irrelevant where the militant was trained, but from what he's saying, its probably somewhere near Muridke headquarters, perhaps in some isolated area.

Your repeated insistence that I "admit" the nonexistent mistake simply shows that you are in denial about the fact that the GOP has not taken any real steps to rein in the LeT.

No this is the point - the man clearly was made to confess something about getting training in the Markaz - the markaz has been taken over by the GoP, and has not been shown to impart military training in the past, and definitely not now.

Therefore this clearly illustrates that the man was forced to lie, and his lie was caught.

Now you are derailing the topic by going onto these other issues that have been answered time and time again.

- On what Pakistan has done, even the paper you posted admits that the ISI connections and support for the LeT were drastically reduced after 911, and that fact has been confirmed by the LeT leadership itself.

After the JuD was banned, Pakistan moved to seize its assets as well and shut it down, and has arrested several members of the LeT, both accused by India, and some suspects through its own investigation.

But back to topic please.