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Calm down, we're just telling the truth. India lags behind Xinjiang for 20 years.
And you have a good story, but we have reality.:-)
Yeah, it is just a story. Right? :rofl: :lol: Just like last time, Chinese government cann't do such things :lol: :rofl:
 
Take care of yourself.:-)
Xinjiang is completely different from Kashmir, Manipur, Assam...

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welcome to modern day India alongside the countless insurgencies and rapes and poverty the Indians of the internet will tell you its a supa power ready to take on both China and Pakistan on both fronts :omghaha::omghaha:
 
People in Xinjiang live a peaceful and prosperous life, unlike Indians, they are well taken care by the government. West of Xinjiang many countries are in wars and anarchy, Xinjiang is a shining modern role model in central Asia.

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"Every man has a right to utter what he thinks truth, and every other man has a right to knock him down for it. Martyrdom is the test." -- Samuel Johnson
 
Xinjiang and Afghanistan are next door neighbors. Where do Indians want to live? "repressive Xinjiang" or "Free democratic" Afghanistan? Of course nowhere even comes close to shining India.
 
Xinjiang and Afghanistan are next door neighbors. Where do Indians want to live? "repressive Xinjiang" or "Free democratic" Afghanistan? Of course nowhere even comes close to shining India.
Neither, we will live in India or West. China is a hell hole police state and Afghanistan is facing immense violence.

Especially not after reading this

Nearly 10 Percent of Residents of a Xinjiang Township Detained by Chinese Authorities

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/detained-12142017140125.html

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/near...nship-detained-by-chinese-authorities.535993/
 
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Historians Dismiss Chinese Claims to Xinjiang Based on Han Dynasty Literature

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A copy of the Book of Han is displayed at the Tianyi Chamber library in Ningbo, Zhejiang province, in a file photo.

Recent government efforts to link northwest China’s majority Uyghur Xinjiang region to territorial claims associated with an ancient Chinese imperial dynasty “lack scientific standing” and are part of a bid by Beijing to legitimize repressive policies in the area, according to scholars.

Beijing has made repeated claims it says are based on ancient literature that China established the “Protectorate of the Western Regions” in 60 B.C., during the 202 B.C.-A.D. 8 period of the Western Han Dynasty, which exercised military and administrative jurisdiction over what is now Xinjiang.

But in a report last week, the official Xinhua news agency announced that on Dec. 8, Chinese historians, archaeologists, ethnologists, and research scholars took part in a conference in Bugur (in Chinese, Luntai) county, in Xinjiang’s Bayin’gholin Mongol (Bayinguoleng Menggu) Autonomous Prefecture, to study “a significant breakthrough in locating the site” of the Protectorate.

During the conference, specialists and researchers delivered speeches on topics including “The Rule of the Uyghur Region Under the Protectorate of the Western Region,” “Chinese Culture to Become The Leading Culture in Xinjiang,” and the location of the Protectorate.

The article did not mention the site of the archaeological dig in Bugur or any of the evidence to support the claim.

A day later, Xinhua reported that “after four years of archaeological study,” researchers had “basically confirmed” that the so-called “Yuqikate” ancient city, near Aksu (Akesu) prefecture’s Toksu (Xinhe) county, was the location of the Protectorate during the A.D. 25-220 period of the Eastern Han Dynasty.

“Based on the city size, unearthed relics and literature, archaeologists from institutions in Xinjiang and Beijing have confirmed that the city was the Protectorate of the Western Regions during the Eastern Han Dynasty,” the report said.

While the Chinese historian Ban Gu (A.D. 32-92) mentions the Protectorate of the Western Regions in his “Book of Han,” which was completed after his death in A.D. 111 and covers the period of the Western Han Dynasty, he fails to provide an exact location or evidence of his claim of its existence.

The recent claims about the Protectorate follow a speech in August this year by chairman of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) Yu Zhengsheng, who called for the “correcting of the wrong understanding of Xinjiang’s history, ethnicity, religion, and culture,” and an earlier statement by Xinjiang Party Secretary Chen Quanguo urging archaeologists to remember that Xinjiang “has always been Chinese territory.”

‘Laughable’ claims

Overseas historians have challenged the Chinese government’s claims about the Protectorate, while Uyghur groups in exile say the assertions are part of a bid by Beijing to further exert control over Xinjiang, where members of the mostly Muslim ethnic group complain of religious and cultural repression and harassment under Chinese rule.

Zhu Shuyuan, a Chinese historian living in the U.S., told RFA’s Uyghur Service that the Protectorate of the Western Regions “only exists on paper” and called the claim “laughable.”

“It is possible that the army of the Han Dynasty travelled to the southern areas of [Xinjiang capital] Urumqi in the western region, but the number of soldiers were few,” he said.

“In reality, they have never ruled the region, neither did they collect taxes from the people. The number one factor in governing a region is that the residents must pay taxes, which are collected by the army.”

Representatives of a state cannot claim a distant land simply because they have travelled there, Zhu said.

“If that was the case … Marco Polo visited China—can we say that China belongs to Marco Polo and the Italians?” he asked.

“Such claims bear no scientific value. It is laughable to think that the Chinese claim the territory simply because their people visited the region.”

U.S.-based Uyghur Kahar Barat, an independent researcher specializing in Uyghur and Chinese history and the culture of the Silk Road, told RFA that Beijing’s claims “have no scientific standing.”

“The Chinese government’s intention is to establish historical evidence in order to support their territorial expansion and repressive policy in the Uyghur region,” he said.

“At that time, [the dynasty was based] in Chang’an [in modern day Shanxi province’s Xi’an city] or Luoyang [in Henan province], but they established the ‘Protectorate of the Western Region.’ If that is so, then even Iran and the Arab territories could have become part of China. This is not something you can sit and declare, it requires authentic and historical evidence.”

Barat noted that the claims of a Protectorate were first written during the Han Dynasty from a “one-sided perspective” in a book that “provides no historic or archaeological evidence.”

“That is the basis upon which the Chinese government has put so much effort into furthering this claim,” he said.

‘Expansionist intentions’

Ilshat Hassan, the president of Washington-based exile group Uyghur American Association (UAA), said claims by Beijing that “Xinjiang is an inseparable part of China” have “no historic basis.

He noted that the name Xinjiang translates to “New Territory” in the Chinese language, suggesting it had not always been occupied by China.

The People’s Republic of China, which was formed by Mao Zedong in 1949, was not the successor to the Han Dynasty, which ended in A.D. 220, Hassan said, and therefore cannot legally claim the territories allegedly occupied by the Han at that time.

He said such claims are as ridiculous as if the Mongolian government claimed that China has been an inseparable part of Mongolia since ancient times because the Mongols occupied it for nearly two centuries during the reign of Genghis Khan, or if the Italian government claimed all of the territories formerly occupied by the Roman Empire.

“This claim only proves the Chinese Communist Party’s imperialistic mindset and expansionist intentions,” he said.


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China's habitual expansionist agenda on full display. Shameless revision of history, laughable claims and oppressive regime. Pakistan better beware! Next Chinese will claim that Han Dynasty ruled Multan :lol: :rofl:
 
Nearly 10 Percent of Residents of a Xinjiang Township Detained by Chinese Authorities

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/detained-12142017140125.html

Authorities in northwest China’s Xinjiang region have detained nearly 10 percent of the population of a township in ethnic Uyghur-dominated Kashgar (in Chinese, Kashi) prefecture, according to sources, following an incident three years ago.

A former resident of Kashgar Kona Sheher (Shufu) county’s Bullaqsu township recently told RFA’s Uyghur Service in a letter that “a large number of people” have been arrested in the county this year, leaving some townships with “hardly any males to be seen.”

Bullaqsu was one of the townships most affected by the arrests in Kashgar Kona Sheher, where “groups of people have been arrested and sent to detention centers every week,” said the former resident, who now lives in exile and asked to remain unnamed.

In mid-September 2014, a number of police officers attempted to remove the headscarves of two Uyghur women at the Wednesday Market held in the county seat, prompting two Uyghur men to come to their defense, the source said.

The two men were arrested by police, but around 200 people surrounded the officers and prevented them from bringing them to the local station, he said.

All of those involved were “punished” later that year, according to the former resident, who added that the incident was never reported in either state or foreign media. Chinese state media are heavily censored and foreign reporters have limited access to Xinjiang.

Since Xinjiang Communist Party chief Chen Quanguo was appointed to his post in August last year, a series of harsh policies have been initiated targeting Uyghurs in the region, where members of the mostly Muslim ethnic group complain of religious and cultural repression and harassment under Chinese rule.

The source suggested that authorities in Kashgar Kona Sheher have targeted residents in response to the market incident as part of an ongoing crackdown that has seen thousands of Uyghurs accused of harboring “extremist” and “politically incorrect” views detained in political re-education camps and prisons throughout Xinjiang since April.

The county Criminal Investigation Department was unable to confirm whether any residents had been detained in connection with the incident or the number of people currently in detention when contacted by RFA.

But an official with the Bullaqsu Office of the Judiciary said there are currently more than 3,300 of the township’s 36,000 residents detained in either prison or re-education camps.

“According to the information I have, 2,514 [people are imprisoned] … but that information is a bit old and I do not have the latest statistics,” he said.

It had been around a month since the latest figures were released, he said, but 57 people had been imprisoned since then. Of those sentenced to jail, the longest term was 20 years, he added.

“The most imprisoned are from [Bullaqsu’s] No. 1, 2, 7, and 14 Villages,” the official said.

Additionally, he said, 806 people from the township are currently held in re-education camps.

Mass detentions

Officials in Hotan (Hetian) prefecture’s Qaraqash (Moyu) county recently told RFA that they had been ordered to send 40 percent of area residents to re-education camps, and said they were having trouble meeting the quota.

Reports suggest similar orders have been given in other areas of the region, and that authorities are detaining as many Uyghurs as possible in re-education camps and jail, regardless of their age, prior service to the Communist Party, or the severity of the accusations against them.

The ongoing crackdown has also seen students who traveled to Egypt for Islamic studies being rounded up by Egyptian authorities at China's behest, with some taken back to China and most held incommunicado. The incarceration of large numbers of Uyghur males has put pressure on women and children to take over farm chores in Xinjiang.

China regularly conducts “strike hard” campaigns in Xinjiang, including police raids on Uyghur households, restrictions on Islamic practices, and curbs on the culture and language of the Uyghur people, including videos and other material.

While China blames some Uyghurs for “terrorist” attacks, experts outside China say Beijing has exaggerated the threat and that repressive policies in Xinjiang are responsible for an upsurge in violence there that has left hundreds dead since 2009.

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So much for highly developed Xinjiang!
 
http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/claims-12222017145043.html


Historians Dismiss Chinese Claims to Xinjiang Based on Han Dynasty Literature

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A copy of the Book of Han is displayed at the Tianyi Chamber library in Ningbo, Zhejiang province, in a file photo.

Recent government efforts to link northwest China’s majority Uyghur Xinjiang region to territorial claims associated with an ancient Chinese imperial dynasty “lack scientific standing” and are part of a bid by Beijing to legitimize repressive policies in the area, according to scholars.

Beijing has made repeated claims it says are based on ancient literature that China established the “Protectorate of the Western Regions” in 60 B.C., during the 202 B.C.-A.D. 8 period of the Western Han Dynasty, which exercised military and administrative jurisdiction over what is now Xinjiang.

But in a report last week, the official Xinhua news agency announced that on Dec. 8, Chinese historians, archaeologists, ethnologists, and research scholars took part in a conference in Bugur (in Chinese, Luntai) county, in Xinjiang’s Bayin’gholin Mongol (Bayinguoleng Menggu) Autonomous Prefecture, to study “a significant breakthrough in locating the site” of the Protectorate.

During the conference, specialists and researchers delivered speeches on topics including “The Rule of the Uyghur Region Under the Protectorate of the Western Region,” “Chinese Culture to Become The Leading Culture in Xinjiang,” and the location of the Protectorate.

The article did not mention the site of the archaeological dig in Bugur or any of the evidence to support the claim.

A day later, Xinhua reported that “after four years of archaeological study,” researchers had “basically confirmed” that the so-called “Yuqikate” ancient city, near Aksu (Akesu) prefecture’s Toksu (Xinhe) county, was the location of the Protectorate during the A.D. 25-220 period of the Eastern Han Dynasty.

“Based on the city size, unearthed relics and literature, archaeologists from institutions in Xinjiang and Beijing have confirmed that the city was the Protectorate of the Western Regions during the Eastern Han Dynasty,” the report said.

While the Chinese historian Ban Gu (A.D. 32-92) mentions the Protectorate of the Western Regions in his “Book of Han,” which was completed after his death in A.D. 111 and covers the period of the Western Han Dynasty, he fails to provide an exact location or evidence of his claim of its existence.

The recent claims about the Protectorate follow a speech in August this year by chairman of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (CPPCC) Yu Zhengsheng, who called for the “correcting of the wrong understanding of Xinjiang’s history, ethnicity, religion, and culture,” and an earlier statement by Xinjiang Party Secretary Chen Quanguo urging archaeologists to remember that Xinjiang “has always been Chinese territory.”

‘Laughable’ claims

Overseas historians have challenged the Chinese government’s claims about the Protectorate, while Uyghur groups in exile say the assertions are part of a bid by Beijing to further exert control over Xinjiang, where members of the mostly Muslim ethnic group complain of religious and cultural repression and harassment under Chinese rule.

Zhu Shuyuan, a Chinese historian living in the U.S., told RFA’s Uyghur Service that the Protectorate of the Western Regions “only exists on paper” and called the claim “laughable.”

“It is possible that the army of the Han Dynasty travelled to the southern areas of [Xinjiang capital] Urumqi in the western region, but the number of soldiers were few,” he said.

“In reality, they have never ruled the region, neither did they collect taxes from the people. The number one factor in governing a region is that the residents must pay taxes, which are collected by the army.”

Representatives of a state cannot claim a distant land simply because they have travelled there, Zhu said.

“If that was the case … Marco Polo visited China—can we say that China belongs to Marco Polo and the Italians?” he asked.

“Such claims bear no scientific value. It is laughable to think that the Chinese claim the territory simply because their people visited the region.”

U.S.-based Uyghur Kahar Barat, an independent researcher specializing in Uyghur and Chinese history and the culture of the Silk Road, told RFA that Beijing’s claims “have no scientific standing.”

“The Chinese government’s intention is to establish historical evidence in order to support their territorial expansion and repressive policy in the Uyghur region,” he said.

“At that time, [the dynasty was based] in Chang’an [in modern day Shanxi province’s Xi’an city] or Luoyang [in Henan province], but they established the ‘Protectorate of the Western Region.’ If that is so, then even Iran and the Arab territories could have become part of China. This is not something you can sit and declare, it requires authentic and historical evidence.”

Barat noted that the claims of a Protectorate were first written during the Han Dynasty from a “one-sided perspective” in a book that “provides no historic or archaeological evidence.”

“That is the basis upon which the Chinese government has put so much effort into furthering this claim,” he said.

‘Expansionist intentions’

Ilshat Hassan, the president of Washington-based exile group Uyghur American Association (UAA), said claims by Beijing that “Xinjiang is an inseparable part of China” have “no historic basis.

He noted that the name Xinjiang translates to “New Territory” in the Chinese language, suggesting it had not always been occupied by China.

The People’s Republic of China, which was formed by Mao Zedong in 1949, was not the successor to the Han Dynasty, which ended in A.D. 220, Hassan said, and therefore cannot legally claim the territories allegedly occupied by the Han at that time.

He said such claims are as ridiculous as if the Mongolian government claimed that China has been an inseparable part of Mongolia since ancient times because the Mongols occupied it for nearly two centuries during the reign of Genghis Khan, or if the Italian government claimed all of the territories formerly occupied by the Roman Empire.

“This claim only proves the Chinese Communist Party’s imperialistic mindset and expansionist intentions,” he said.


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China's habitual expansionist agenda on full display. Shameless revision of history, laughable claims and oppressive regime. Pakistan better beware! Next Chinese will claim that Han Dynasty ruled Multan :lol: :rofl:
I stopped reading after I saw the RFA or Radio Free Asia publisher, which is second only to the all so revered Epoch Times :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: ... if you want to prove your point, please try to find some better and less biased sources (meaning don't use Western propaganda outlets ...)
 
I stopped reading after I saw the RFA or Radio Free Asia publisher, which is second only to the all so revered Epoch Times :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: ... if you want to prove your point, please try to find some better and less biased sources (meaning don't use Western propaganda websites ...)
Oh yeah and Chinese propaganda sites like Global Times are all okay, right? :lol: :rofl: Chinese and their duplicity. BTW why don't you change your flags to their right color.
 
Uyghur is not majority in Xinjiang. In fact, no ethnic group there can claim majority.
 
Uyghur is not majority in Xinjiang. In fact, no ethnic group there can claim majority.
Don't worry about this poster ... he is deluded. Indian posters spend so much time finding trashy articles to bash China and Pakistan that they don't even take care of their own country (which remains a cesspool). Indians seem more preoccupied with other nations than itself ... it explains the current state they're in :enjoy:
 
Neither, we will live in India or West. China is a hell hole police state and Afghanistan is facing immense violence.

Especially not after reading this

Nearly 10 Percent of Residents of a Xinjiang Township Detained by Chinese Authorities

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/detained-12142017140125.html

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/near...nship-detained-by-chinese-authorities.535993/
Good for you, Kashmir is a nice high security place for you.
Nagaland is another nice place in India for you, with its high security by the AFSPA, Armed Forces Special Powers, unless you are a woman, then maybe not.
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https://www.mcgilldaily.com/2016/11/the-atrocities-of-the-armed-forces-special-powers-act/
The atrocities of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act
There are numerous documented accounts of the Indian army committing heinous crimes against the residents of the North Eastern states of India, under the protection of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA). It allows them to shoot to kill, arrest on tenuous pretext, conduct warrantless searches, and demolish structures in the name of “restoring public order.” There is also a provision that precludes trials against any officer for an act that is protected within the confines of the AFSPA.

After reading the above, many will conclude Xinjiang is very much safer than having these Indian cowboys with licence to rape and kill at will with no fear of prosecution, and they have killed and raped many in Kashmir and the North East of India.
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Good for you, Kashmir is a nice high security place for you.
Nagaland is another nice place in India for you, with its high security by the AFSPA, Armed Forces Special Powers, unless you are a woman, then maybe not.
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https://www.mcgilldaily.com/2016/11/the-atrocities-of-the-armed-forces-special-powers-act/
The atrocities of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act
There are numerous documented accounts of the Indian army committing heinous crimes against the residents of the North Eastern states of India, under the protection of the Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA). It allows them to shoot to kill, arrest on tenuous pretext, conduct warrantless searches, and demolish structures in the name of “restoring public order.” There is also a provision that precludes trials against any officer for an act that is protected within the confines of the AFSPA.

After reading the above, many will conclude Xinjiang is very much safer than having these Indian cowboys with licence to rape and kill at will with no fear of prosecution, and they have killed and raped many in Kashmir and the North East of India.
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The moment when you divert from the main topic as a face saving measure we know that information is correct.
 
If this is true. I agree. I would love Pakistan to detain 10% of the countries scumbags. Religious profiteers [they call themselves mullahs] and every madaris staff/students.
 
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