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Armed Pakistan with Nuke? :rofl: now you Indians just expose your biggest lie, India wants Nuke to counter China's nuke and Pakistan want nuke to counter India's nuke...it's domino effect...and you blame us:o:, Pakistan also have A bomb father too unless you claim that Indians scientists are only intelligent people on earth, you think by making false accusation then we will feel guilty? surely not :whistle:

You guys are the first to harbor our separatist Dalai Lama in 1959 to provoke us first but claim that he is GOD love priest and a peace loving idol and expect to get away with that but when we support Masood you accuse us of support terrorism, you can just make you own double standard definition, we don't give a jack.

We're not even afraid of play with fire and we're scare of water? c'mon :rofl: as long as you guys shut your mouth on how we're playing with our water...everything will be fine and your opinions regarding our water doesn't matter anyway


The same way you armed NK with nukes....Dalai Lama is what threat to you? LOL...the old man was running for his life and freedom....Comparing Masood to the Dalai Lama....plz stfu.....and use that water to clean your *** lol
 
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The same way you armed NK with nukes....Dalai Lama is what threat to you? LOL...the old man was running for his life and freedom....Comparing Masood to the Dalai Lama....plz stfu.....and use that water to clean your *** lol

You see, so much expected from an Indian, he think he's always right and other people are wrong. Dalai is not much better human been than Mr. Masood according to us, you can STFU if you think we're wrong and sure we don't expect Indian to tell us how to use our water...LMAO
 
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You see, so much expected from an Indian, he think he's always right and other people are wrong. Dalai is not much better human been than Mr. Masood according to us, you can STFU if you think we're wrong and sure we don't expect Indian to tell us how to use our water...LMAO



Plz....stfu....Dalai is a revered person all throughout the world. Trust me your saber rattling with water will do nothing to India...we will overcome as we always do in difficult time....Dont expect...IM giving you orders on how to use your hater so stfu

https://www.chinadialogue.net/blog/...-more-difficult-to-fix-than-its-dirty-air-/en



China will fuk up its precious water resources....its environment is shit....at least Indians don't lie and pretend....we know we have issues but you delusional f-ks should open your eyes a bit and get a sense of reality....There are many pics and sites will showcase the real China....not this cookie cutter shit....so to my chinese bots STFU haha
 
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Not practical.

Xinjiang is too large. A few rivers aren't going to increase the humidity of the region and change the desert into a grassland.

There are many water technologies today which can help alleviate the water problem, but the problems are it's expensive and the people who need it are too spread out for the infrastructure to reach every single household. However more than half of China's population live in the cities today and more people are going to move into cities in the future, allowing water technologies to be feasible. Less people are going to use huge tracts of land to farm in the future.

Instead of spending hundreds of billions into an overly ambitious project spanning over few decades, why not dedicate the resources to existing water technologies which have a proven track record? Most existing cities will still be populated in a hundred years but it's hard to say for rural areas.
 
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Lets get back to topic. Here are my thoughts:

The Xinjiang water diversion is part of the Western section of the ambitious South-North water diversion project.
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The divide between Southern China and Northern China's ecosystem can be characterised by the two main river systems in China the Yangtze/Changjiang (South) and Yellow River/Huanghe (North). The Yangtze/Changjiang river and its tributaries receives substantially more rainfall compared to its northern brother resulting in a healthy continuous flow. The Yellow River and its tributaries on the other hand is in a dryer region. This causes the Yellow River to have discontinued flow with exposed river bed at points in the year. A big reason why Yellow river has broken flow is not just the lack of water rather its the lack of plants and topsoil along its tributaries which slowly releases water after each rainfall.

Two main benefits of Rivers with a healthy flow:
1. Transportation (less than half the cost of rail)
2. Agriculture (irrigation)

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Yangtze-Ships.JPG

Yangtze River shipping. Ships transporting containers and gravel for construction.

The Yangtze is geographically situated in mountainous Southern China with few plains for agriculture (except for lowlands) thus its main benefit would be for commerce. The reason why the Yangtze delta and upstream regions are easily integrated and developed is because of the river. Goods, especially large and heavy loads can be easily and cheaply transported thus helping them integrate into a supply chain. Ex. A large windmill is to be exported overseas. The Yangzte is a suitable supply chain for such oversized loads that would be impossible to transport overland, blades can be made in Chongqing, casing made in Wuhan, motors made in Nanjing, assembled and shipped out from Shanghai. The river attracts capital due to its high ROI.

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Yellow River at Qingtongxia Yellow River Grand Canyon Scenic Spot in Ningxia.

The Yellow River feeds the central plains of China an important breadbasket. Current flows are sometimes insufficient to satisfy irrigation causing farmers to deplete ground water and offers little buffer in case of drought (unsustainable). Also many sections are not navigable causing only small crafts to be used which are not useful in developing industry. The region can rely on rail and road networks but costs will be higher resulting in lower profit margins (magnified by financial leverage) and surplus to be re-invested, slowing development. In addition, the capital costs of building and maintaining rail/road networks are more expensive than river navigation.

The key component for the revitalisation of the Yellow River ecosystem is the Western route of South-North Water Transfer Project.

The project seeks to solve a few issues:
1. Reversing desertification of North West and Inner Mongolia (synergy with Great Green Wall 三北防护林)
2. Reviving the Yellow River as a navigable river and secure irrigation of the central plains
3. Birth of Xinjiang breadbasket

The foundation of the Western route is the construction of countless dams in Tibet
chinas-new-dam-projects1.gif

Map of large dam construction in China. Black blocks: operational, gray: under-construction, white blocks:to be constructed. First number within circle indicate MW capacity. This is a older map and some dams are under construction.

Great-Western-Water-Diversion.jpg

  • 50 Billion Cubic Meters a year to the Yellow River would increase its flow by about 60%.
  • 150 BCM Maqu Reservoir will be larger than Lake Nassar Reservoir in Egypt (132 BCM)
  • 35,000 MW hydropower station (largest in the world? possibly the accumulation of multiple stations)
  • Water evaporation from new rivers and reservoirs will make the region more humid and rain more frequently
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reservoirs_by_volume
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_hydroelectric_power_stations

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"Only by opening up canals can we save China", "Ideal (Great West Line)"
  • Creation of reservoirs
  • New very large lakes in Xinjiang and Inner-Mongolia
  • River diversion to the North East bread basket
  • Canals and abundance of water is viewed as a national security concern. Once the decision is made it's unlikely that any outside force can reverse the action.
If there is an emergence of the Xinjiang breadbasket, expect:
1. Higher food security in China (less imports? better/cheaper protein options)
2. Increased migration to the Tarim, Turpan, and Junggar Basins. Possibly making Xinjiang another great population cluster for China. Another great frontier 新疆域
3. Increased investment and investment opportunities in these regions
4. Creation of a new ecosystem. Due to the region being a basin, water vapour will be mostly trapped within the region possibly creating a semi-humid region in Xinjiang. This will spill over into Inner Mongolia and other parts of Western China
5. Improved security situation due to better economic opportunities in the long run. Some displacement might happen due to change in ecosystem.
6. Opportunities for hydro power, feeding industrial centres in the east.
7. Emergence of new industrial clusters in Western China resulting from cheap energy, cheap land, cheap labour, and availability of capital

Yes, there will be big impacts on the ecosystem, will the cost be worth it? will the end result be even better than what nature can currently provide for inhabitants? What makes humans stand out from the rest of the animals that roam this Earth is that we don't settle for what nature provided for us. We are grateful but we are on an endless quest to break limits and push boundaries of possibility. Time and time again, history has shown us that when armed with the proper scientific knowledge, vision, and can-do spirit we are able to shape a better future for humanity.
 
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Lets get back to topic. Here are my thoughts:

The Xinjiang water diversion is part of the Western section of the ambitious South-North water diversion project.
U3107P1T1D18663343F21DT20090916143047.jpg

wKgBy1RrAayATb3iABzaFQIWNB8492.jpg



ff30773aa94d2a012db4015345b83fc5.jpg


The divide between Southern China and Northern China's ecosystem can be characterised by the two main river systems in China the Yangtze/Changjiang (South) and Yellow River/Huanghe (North). The Yangtze/Changjiang river and its tributaries receives substantially more rainfall compared to its northern brother resulting in a healthy continuous flow. The Yellow River and its tributaries on the other hand is in a dryer region. This causes the Yellow River to have discontinued flow with exposed river bed at points in the year. A big reason why Yellow river has broken flow is not just the lack of water rather its the lack of plants and topsoil along its tributaries which slowly releases water after each rainfall.

Two main benefits of Rivers with a healthy flow:
1. Transportation (<half the cost than rail)
2. Agriculture (irrigation)

1509304.jpg

Yangtze-Ships.JPG

Yangtze River shipping. Ships transporting containers and gravel for construction.

The Yangtze is geographically situated in mountainous Southern China with few plains for agriculture (except for lowlands) thus its main benefit would be for commerce. The reason why the Yangtze delta and upstream regions are easily integrated and developed is because of the river. Goods, especially large and heavy loads can be easily and cheaply transported thus helping them integrate into a supply chain. Ex. A large windmill is to be exported overseas. The Yangzte is a suitable supply chain for such oversized loads that would be impossible to transport overland, blades can be made in Chongqing, casing made in Wuhan, motors made in Nanjing, assembled and shipped out from Shanghai. The river attracts capital due to its high ROI.

136247560_14935553474141n.png

Yellow River at Qingtongxia Yellow River Grand Canyon Scenic Spot in Ningxia.

The Yellow River feeds the central plains of China an important breadbasket. Current flows are sometimes insufficient to satisfy irrigation causing farmers to deplete ground water and offers little buffer in case of drought (unsustainable). Also many sections are not navigable causing only small crafts to be used which are not useful in developing industry. The region can rely on rail and road networks but costs will be higher resulting in lower profit margins (magnified by financial leverage) and surplus to be re-invested, slowing development. In addition, the capital costs of building and maintaining rail/road networks are more expensive than river navigation.

The key component for the revitalisation of the Yellow River ecosystem is the Western route of South-North Water Transfer Project.

The project seeks to solve a few issues:
1. Reversing desertification of North West and Inner Mongolia (synergy with Great Green Wall 三北防护林)
2. Reviving the Yellow River as a navigable river and secure irrigation of the central plains
3. Birth of Xinjiang breadbasket

The foundation of the Western route is the construction of countless dams in Tibet
chinas-new-dam-projects1.gif

Map of large dams in China. Black blocks: operational, gray: under-construction, white blocks:to be constructed. First number within circle indicate MW capacity. This is a older map and some dams are under construction.

Great-Western-Water-Diversion.jpg

  • 50 Billion Cubic Meters a year to the Yellow River would increase its flow by about 60%.
  • 150 BCM Maqu Reservoir will be larger than Lake Nassar Reservoir in Egypt (132 BCM)
  • 35,000 MW hydropower station (largest in the world? possibly the accumulation of multiple stations)
  • Water evaporation from new rivers and reservoirs will make the region more humid and rain more frequently
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reservoirs_by_volume
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_hydroelectric_power_stations


"Only by opening up canals can we save China", "Ideal (Great West Line)"
  • Creation of reservoirs
  • New very large lakes in Xinjiang and Inner-Mongolia
  • River diversion to the North East bread basket
  • Canals and abundance of water is viewed as a national security concern. Once the decision is made it's unlikely that any outside force can reverse the action.
If there is an emergence of the Xinjiang breadbasket, expect:
1. Higher food security in China (less imports? better/cheaper protein options)
2. Increased migration to the Tarim, Turpan, and Junggar Basins. Possibly making Xinjiang another great population cluster for China. Another great frontier 新疆域
3. Increased investment and investment opportunities in these regions
4. Creation of a new ecosystem. Due to the region being a basin, water vapour will be mostly trapped within the region possibly creating a semi-humid region in Xinjiang. This will spill over into Inner Mongolia and other parts of Western China
5. Improved security situation due to better economic opportunities in the long run. Some displacement might happen due to change in ecosystem.
6. Opportunities for hydro power, feeding industrial centres in the east.
7. Emergence of new industrial clusters in Western China resulting from cheap energy, cheap land, cheap labour, and availability of capital

Yes, there will be big impacts on the ecosystem, will the cost be worth it? will the end result will be even better than what nature can currently provide for inhabitants?

here are my thoughts- first clean up existing rivers and stop the pollution that's contaminated 90% of your drinking water instead of delusions. We will do this, we will do that when you do nothing in real world. Meanwhile 75% of your population lives under $5 day and you're taking whatever little cash they have on delusion trips.

in Comparison India air, no need any video to support my claim :lol: :bad:, as I said you're here to entertain me, keep entertain me more:p:

comparison India claim, India polluted but better than China. Feed your people first.
 
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Lets get back to topic. Here are my thoughts:

The Xinjiang water diversion is part of the Western section of the ambitious South-North water diversion project.
U3107P1T1D18663343F21DT20090916143047.jpg

wKgBy1RrAayATb3iABzaFQIWNB8492.jpg



ff30773aa94d2a012db4015345b83fc5.jpg


The divide between Southern China and Northern China's ecosystem can be characterised by the two main river systems in China the Yangtze/Changjiang (South) and Yellow River/Huanghe (North). The Yangtze/Changjiang river and its tributaries receives substantially more rainfall compared to its northern brother resulting in a healthy continuous flow. The Yellow River and its tributaries on the other hand is in a dryer region. This causes the Yellow River to have discontinued flow with exposed river bed at points in the year. A big reason why Yellow river has broken flow is not just the lack of water rather its the lack of plants and topsoil along its tributaries which slowly releases water after each rainfall.

Two main benefits of Rivers with a healthy flow:
1. Transportation (<half the cost than rail)
2. Agriculture (irrigation)

1509304.jpg

Yangtze-Ships.JPG

Yangtze River shipping. Ships transporting containers and gravel for construction.

The Yangtze is geographically situated in mountainous Southern China with few plains for agriculture (except for lowlands) thus its main benefit would be for commerce. The reason why the Yangtze delta and upstream regions are easily integrated and developed is because of the river. Goods, especially large and heavy loads can be easily and cheaply transported thus helping them integrate into a supply chain. Ex. A large windmill is to be exported overseas. The Yangzte is a suitable supply chain for such oversized loads that would be impossible to transport overland, blades can be made in Chongqing, casing made in Wuhan, motors made in Nanjing, assembled and shipped out from Shanghai. The river attracts capital due to its high ROI.

136247560_14935553474141n.png

Yellow River at Qingtongxia Yellow River Grand Canyon Scenic Spot in Ningxia.

The Yellow River feeds the central plains of China an important breadbasket. Current flows are sometimes insufficient to satisfy irrigation causing farmers to deplete ground water and offers little buffer in case of drought (unsustainable). Also many sections are not navigable causing only small crafts to be used which are not useful in developing industry. The region can rely on rail and road networks but costs will be higher resulting in lower profit margins (magnified by financial leverage) and surplus to be re-invested, slowing development. In addition, the capital costs of building and maintaining rail/road networks are more expensive than river navigation.

The key component for the revitalisation of the Yellow River ecosystem is the Western route of South-North Water Transfer Project.

The project seeks to solve a few issues:
1. Reversing desertification of North West and Inner Mongolia (synergy with Great Green Wall 三北防护林)
2. Reviving the Yellow River as a navigable river and secure irrigation of the central plains
3. Birth of Xinjiang breadbasket

The foundation of the Western route is the construction of countless dams in Tibet
chinas-new-dam-projects1.gif

Map of large dams in China. Black blocks: operational, gray: under-construction, white blocks:to be constructed. First number within circle indicate MW capacity. This is a older map and some dams are under construction.

Great-Western-Water-Diversion.jpg

  • 50 Billion Cubic Meters a year to the Yellow River would increase its flow by about 60%.
  • 150 BCM Maqu Reservoir will be larger than Lake Nassar Reservoir in Egypt (132 BCM)
  • 35,000 MW hydropower station (largest in the world? possibly the accumulation of multiple stations)
  • Water evaporation from new rivers and reservoirs will make the region more humid and rain more frequently
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reservoirs_by_volume
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_hydroelectric_power_stations


"Only by opening up canals can we save China", "Ideal (Great West Line)"
  • Creation of reservoirs
  • New very large lakes in Xinjiang and Inner-Mongolia
  • River diversion to the North East bread basket
  • Canals and abundance of water is viewed as a national security concern. Once the decision is made it's unlikely that any outside force can reverse the action.
If there is an emergence of the Xinjiang breadbasket, expect:
1. Higher food security in China (less imports? better/cheaper protein options)
2. Increased migration to the Tarim, Turpan, and Junggar Basins. Possibly making Xinjiang another great population cluster for China. Another great frontier 新疆域
3. Increased investment and investment opportunities in these regions
4. Creation of a new ecosystem. Due to the region being a basin, water vapour will be mostly trapped within the region possibly creating a semi-humid region in Xinjiang. This will spill over into Inner Mongolia and other parts of Western China
5. Improved security situation due to better economic opportunities in the long run. Some displacement might happen due to change in ecosystem.
6. Opportunities for hydro power, feeding industrial centres in the east.
7. Emergence of new industrial clusters in Western China resulting from cheap energy, cheap land, cheap labour, and availability of capital

Yes, there will be big impacts on the ecosystem, will the cost be worth it? will the end result will be even better than what nature can currently provide for inhabitants? What makes humans stand out from the rest of the animals that roam this Earth is that we don't settle for what nature provided for us. We are grateful but we are on an endless quest to break limits and push boundaries of possibility. Time and time again, history has shown us that when armed with the proper scientific knowledge, vision, and can-do spirit we are able to shape a better future for humanity.

Great writing supported by detailed analysis from different perspectives.
Many thanks.

It seems the water diversion described above to Xinjiang falls into the grand plan on the western front where water is to be rerouted from both of Changjiang and Huanghe, am I correct?

Do you have the latest development of the South-North water diversion projects? How is the project functioning so far? Does it meet its targets? Anyone?

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Experts??? More like Chinese fanboys. I wonder how many of the Chinese PDFers are part of that WeChat group :lol:

Ren and Geng lmao.

You can call what ever you want but as I mentioned before we don't want to wait until our children will have to pay 100$ or 1000$ for a bottle of water, and that is the very reason our south north water transfer project is been carry out, we're not doing for fun but for the need.

yeah....maybe you should do something instead of talking. In any case the average Chinese's goose is cooked. Instead of scholars meeting to decide how to clean up china's water which is 90% contaminated, they waste their time on bullshit discussions like these that you have illusions about doing and don't solve a thing anyway.

I can see your anger and sensitivity each time we brought up water issue, you're trying to derail and highjack the thread to talk something else...nice try, that's not working with me :lol:, India can cry with frenzy or frustration as they like but we manager Tibet water is not Indian's business.
 
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River, water mean hope for our future, region without water mean no hope and no future so no matter how difficult it's, we have to get water there, above cost is the life line, we Chinese can't wait until our children have to pay heavy price or die from dehydration before act.

Nope. People aren't going to die from dehydration just because there's a drought in China anymore. Most of the water usage today goes to agriculture and industry. If there's an emergency of course industry or agriculture water usage will be reduced for human consumption.

Modern water technologies are sufficient enough, just that they are expensive. With urbanization, making use of water technologies is much more practical than creating a new water pathway thousands of kilometer. Water usage for urban farming is also much more efficient. And even with the new water diversion, humidity in the region isn't going to increase and change the geology of the region.

China's population is going to decrease by 2030 anyway and so will the water shortage pressure. I'm confident water technologies will continue to improve.
 
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