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Xinjiang terrorist attack kills 15 - People's Daily

Whereas the international media don't want to use the word "terrorist" in their headlines, but pay attention to the quotes from Chinese officials:

Violence in western Chinese region of Xinjiang kills 21 - CNN

Some of the knives recovered by police were more than a meter long, according to Hou Hanmin, spokesperson for the Xinjiang government. She told CNN that some of the captured assailants said under interrogation that they had watched videos "from overseas" that featured violence and acts of terrorism.

"Then they made those large, lethal knives and wanted to use them for Jihad," she said, referring to the Arabic term meaning "struggle."

"They had been training in their own house for several months. They were affected by extremism and hoped to commit themselves to Jihad."

Chinese officials used the word "Jihad" multiple times.
 
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I'd just prefer to keep China either majority atheist or followers of native religions and philosophies.

I agree with you totally. All sane people can see logic in this. It has been proven many times that converted people become more fanatic then the people who converted them. This example is easily seen in the pacific Islands they were converted to Christianity in the last 150 years approx and they are more "Christian" then the Christian nations. For e.g. in Fiji the country was split between two Christian sects fighting for political power in the 80's. The funny thing is if there is a rugby game or such they secretly pray to "Dakuwaqa" and "Degie" (Pre Christian Gods)
 
Weapons are not so easily available in China compared to other countries.
That's why a lot of attacks involve knives instead of guns.
Yes a normal real handgun in China black market could sell ¥6000-10,000. But usually even have the money there'r also a few chance to buy it.
Owning weapons in China belongs to grave crime, so very hard to get guns in China but knives much easy.
 
Weapons are not so easily available in China compared to other countries.

That's why a lot of attacks involve knives instead of guns.

If I may brother : Despite the amount of hate I may have for Al-Qaeeda & the TTP I'd still be very hard pressed to call them amateurs, ill-equipped or plain dull. These people have given us hell using everything from Ak-47s smuggled from Afghanistan to household detergents & fertilizers to build powerful IEDs & suicide vests.

I would not call the despicable act committed as not being a 'terrorist' attack but there is 'terrorism' & then there is 'terrorism'; which is to say that Muslim Extremists who've trained in Afghanistan or our Tribal Border Areas are not really known for fighting with machetes & daggers. I can appreciate the argument that weapons are not readily available in China but I would imagine that household detergents are, that fertilizer is & that China too shares a fairly porous border with countries to its West where infiltration can occur & no amount of border patrol or fencing can change that - The Americans couldn't & we couldn't & we've got a bigger stake on the Pak-Afghan Border.

And so I'd very respectfully disagree with Madam Spokesperson's assessment or implication of suggesting that this act might be an act of terrorism by Jihadis - For those guys are usually armed with a lot more than just daggers or axes & a lot more ingenious & very cruel in their acts of terrorism.
 
Xinjiang Terrorism is more of an ethnic thing than a religious one hence the furor in Turkic Countries - The Hui aren't really doing anything neither are any other Chinese Muslims !

On topic - Rest in Peace & I hope they are rooted out ruthlessly !

Yes you are right, the Turkic nations support them on ethnic lines a lot more than any non Turk Muslim country besides Afghanistan and that was only because of the lawlessness in Afghanistan.
 
Higher that a pebble..deeper that a gutter friendship did nothing to help sort it.
I think the chinese are beginning to get a taste of what lies ahead for them, going forward with some their..... dubious alliances.

I think the Chinese know that Pakistan had nothing to do with this and that Pakistan has tried to take down ETIM militants. That is why Pakistan-China relations are strong but China's relations with a country like Turkey has been strained due to the violence. Just look at the reaction in Turkey during the 2009 riots in Xinxiang.
 
It probably was Machetes and they translated to knives in the news report.

RIP to the dead.

The character "刀" (Dao) can mean a knife, or any type of single-edged blade, like a saber.

Some, like the "大刀" (Dadao) are enormous. They were once used on the battlefield to cut armored opponents in half.

And so I'd very respectfully disagree with Madam Spokesperson's assessment or implication of suggesting that this act might be an act of terrorism by Jihadis - For those guys are usually armed with a lot more than just daggers or axes & a lot more ingenious & very cruel in their acts of terrorism.

Fair enough, if that is your opinion.

They can't get guns and bombs, so they make do with what they have. A proper blade can be highly lethal if the user is trained and has the element of surprise.
 
21 Dead in Clash with ‘Gangsters’ in Western China


BEIJING – At least 21 people were killed on Tuesday in fighting in far western China between security officers and “gangsters,” according to a propaganda bureau spokeswoman for the regional government of Xinjiang, where the conflict took place.

Six of those killed were gangsters, and eight more people in the gang were detained during the violence, according to accounts from the bureau and a report Wednesday on a regional news Web site, Tianshan. The other 15 killed were police officers and community watch workers or volunteers. They died after the large gang herded them at knifepoint into a house and set the building on fire, said the propaganda spokeswoman, who gave only her surname, Ms. Hou.

The death toll was the highest reported in violence in Xinjiang in many many months. Xinjiang is a vast western region that encompasses many ethnicities and landscapes, and violence flares on occasion in the regional capital, Urumqi, or along a belt of southern oases towns that are inhabited mostly by Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking people who often complain about governance and discrimination by the ethnic Han, who rule China. Sometimes the violence is clearly rooted in ethnic conflict, and other times it involves criminal gangs or attacks by individuals or groups against state organizations.

Ms. Hou said all 14 of the assailants were of Uighur ethnicity, most of them from a village administered by the township of Selibuya. She said they had been influenced by “religious extremism” and had been plotting a “jihad” since the end of last year, though there was no evidence they were working with foreign forces.

Uighurs generally practice Sunni Islam, and Uighur exiles often criticize Chinese officials for saying violence in Xinjiang arises from religious extremism. In the past, officials in Xinjiang and Beijing have tried to blame a group called the East Turkestan Islamic Movement for some acts of violence in the region, though several foreign scholars say the officials have presented little evidence to support their claims.

As with many such events in Xinjiang, details of the fighting on Tuesday remained murky even a full day after the violence had transpired. Some elements of the official accounts were bizarre.

The accounts called the assailants both “violent gangsters” and “suspected terrorists.” The violence took place in a village in Selibuya township under Bachu County, near the historic Silk Road oasis town of Kashgar, which is near the borders of Central Asian nations and Pakistan. The conflict began on Tuesday when a person called a local government office saying there was suspicious activity in a neighboring house. Three community watch workers went to check the house at around 1:30 p.m. and found people there with a large stockpile of knives measuring about 1.2 meters each, Ms. Hou said.

The workers called the police, but were then captured by the gang. Several police officers arrived with another group of community watch workers; only one of the officers was carrying a gun, Ms. Hou said. Those 12 people were unaware that the gangsters had already killed the three community workers who had initially arrived at the house, and they were in turn cornered in the building. The attackers then set the house on fire.

On the law enforcement side, six police officers and nine community watch workers died, Ms. Hou said. The Tianshan report said they were made up of 10 Uighurs, three Han and two Mongolians.

More security forces arrived at the scene and shot at the attackers, which resulted in the deaths of six of the gang members and the detention of another eight. None appeared to have fled.

Violence has occurred more frequently in Xinjiang ever since an eruption of rioting by Uighurs in Urumqi in 2009. Official news reports said nearly 200 people were killed, most of them Han, and many more were injured. Uighurs in the area say Han-dominated security forces then began a brutal crackdown, and Han went into the streets to seek revenge.


http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/world/asia/violence-in-western-china.html?_r=0
 
It's funny how these govr like China and their suporters critisize US and their foreign policy based on "war on terror". But use the same "war on terror" discourse when it suits them.

We say 'war on terror' when America troops kill in other country, not inluding the anti-terrorism actions in their own land. And this terrorist attack happened in China, you see the difference?
 
fyi they are just xinjiang seperatists nothing to do with religion

What? Didn't you read the official statement?

I'll quote it again:

Some of the knives recovered by police were more than a meter long, according to Hou Hanmin, spokesperson for the Xinjiang government. She told CNN that some of the captured assailants said under interrogation that they had watched videos "from overseas" that featured violence and acts of terrorism.

"Then they made those large, lethal knives and wanted to use them for Jihad," she said, referring to the Arabic term meaning "struggle."

"They had been training in their own house for several months. They were affected by extremism and hoped to commit themselves to Jihad."

Why did the official spokesperson say "Jihad" so many times then?

If they wanted to say "separatism", then they would have said it. But they said the word "Jihad" instead.
 

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