Xinjiang Province: News & Discussions

[IR-TR]

Uyghurs were the clear majority before China annexed them in the 20th century.

Sure sweety. Did the MHP tell you that? And even if they were, it's a done deal. End of subject. Go cry into some babyblue flag.

 

[xenon54 out]

And to any Turkish friend who might read this, what does Turkey do with the Kurds?

Kurdish is being taught in state schools in case you didnt know.

 

[IR-TR]

Kurdish is being taught in state schools in case you didnt know.

As a side course. I know, and after a million years, it just started. Meanwhile in China, all children learn and have always learned Uyghur. At such a rate even, that they could hardly speak Mandarin. Now, show me one Turkish Kurd who can't speak basic Turkish, because their region mainly teaches the Kurdish language in schools. In any case, teaching the national language is a must in any country, regardless of the culture or race of it's inhabitants. Secondary languages must be secondary.

 

[Ahiska]

Sure sweety. Did the MHP tell you that? And even if they were, it's a done deal. End of subject. Go cry into some babyblue flag.

Why should the MHP teach me anything?
Im not even a Turkish national.

 

[IR-TR]

Why should the MHP teach me anything?
Im not even a Turkish national.

It's their style of historical revisionism. If you listen to those numbnuts, there are 500 million Turks in the world, and they were always the natives to their land. Yeah, like Turkey (Anatolia), which was EMPTY before the Central Asians conquered it. Give this Uyghur nonsense a rest. Even if they were all being put in an oven, there is nothing anybody can do about it. And they're not. The Chinese government invests more in Xinjiang than the entire 'Turkic' GDP put together. That's not hate. That's progress. If the Uyghurs don't like it, they can get the FCUK out of there, and settle in the Kazakh steppes.

 

[Ahiska]

It's their style of historical revisionism. If you listen to those numbnuts, there are 500 million Turks in the world, and they were always the natives to their land. Yeah, like Turkey (Anatolia), which was EMPTY before the Central Asians conquered it. Give this Uyghur nonsense a rest. Even if they were all being put in an oven, there is nothing anybody can do about it. And they're not. The Chinese government invests more in Xinjiang than the entire 'Turkic' GDP put together. That's not hate. That's progress. If the Uyghurs don't like it, they can get the FCUK out of there, and settle in the Kazakh steppes.

While many Turkish nationalists are idiots.
I disagree with your opinion,.
Just because someone invests in a region doesnt mean that the people living there will live in prosperity.
And of course im interested in this since Uyghurs are related to my ethnic group.

 

[IR-TR]

While many Turkish nationalists are idiots.
I disagree with your opinion,.
Just because someone invests in a region doesnt mean that the people living there will live in prosperity.
And of course im interested in this since Uyghurs are related to my ethnic group.

You're a German Turkmen, meaning you're probably quite reasonable and not too impulsive. Do you really think there is genocide going on in Xinjiang? At best some discrimination, which is bad. But look at the Hui Chinese, also muslims. And they're living the live, fully integrated etc. You make of it what you can. It's completely unreasonable for less than 1% of the population to want independence, heck, even in a region in which they are only 40-45%. It's dumb to even think about it.

 

[Ahiska]

You're a German Turkmen, meaning you're probably quite reasonable and not too impulsive. Do you really think there is genocide going on in Xinjiang? At best some discrimination, which is bad. But look at the Hui Chinese, also muslims. And they're living the live, fully integrated etc. You make of it what you can. It's completely unreasonable for less than 1% of the population to want independence, heck, even in a region in which they are only 40-45%. It's dumb to even think about it.

There is no genocide but everything points towards cultural and religious oppression.
Also while its true that the Uyghur population isnt big its also a fact that Xinjian/East Turkestan only has 20 million inhabitants (in which Uyghurs are 50%).
Also Hui are much different then Uyghurs for the fact that they were always Chinese they are not different to Han (except some religious and minor cultural aspects)

 

[IR-TR]

There is no genocide but everything points towards cultural and religious oppression.
Also while its true that the Uyghur population isnt big its also a fact that Xinjian/East Turkestan only has 20 million inhabitants (in which Uyghurs are 50%).
Also Hui are much different then Uyghurs for the fact that they were always Chinese they are not different to Han (except some religious and minor cultural aspects)

What you say is correct. But then there is the fact that te Uyghurs need to understand that China is their country, and need to at least 'integrate' if not assimilate. Keeping your cullture, heritage and language is great. But you need to speak Mandarin fluently, because all employers will want that. I just hate people who think: "I'll rather go hungry than change ANYTHING". Not saying most Uyghurs are like that, but you have to just face the facts and join the game. There is never ever ever going to be an uyghuristan, so why not make the best of it and work hard, learn the language and become wealthy. All the while you can still be muslim, still speak Uyghur and still display your heritage. Heck, look at any youtube film on Urumqi, full of headscarves and kebapçi. So unless they equate independence to freedom, they're always going to be not free.

 

[Ahiska]

What you say is correct. But then there is the fact that te Uyghurs need to understand that China is their country, and need to at least 'integrate' if not assimilate. Keeping your cullture, heritage and language is great. But you need to speak Mandarin fluently, because all employers will want that. I just hate people who think: "I'll rather go hungry than change ANYTHING". Not saying most Uyghurs are like that, but you have to just face the facts and join the game. There is never ever ever going to be an uyghuristan, so why not make the best of it and work hard, learn the language and become wealthy. All the while you can still be muslim, still speak Uyghur and still display your heritage. Heck, look at any youtube film on Urumqi, full of headscarves and kebapçi. So unless they equate independence to freedom, they're always going to be not free.

Oh you misunderstand me of course Uyghurs should learn Mandarin and properly seek to become strong in China but im not comfortable with the situation right now there needs to be more done and no colonising the region wont help it.....

 

[IR-TR]

Oh you misunderstand me of course Uyghurs should learn Mandarin and properly seek to become strong in China but im not comfortable with the situation right now there needs to be more done and no colonising the region wont help it.....

I agree. And I hope the Chinese government does just that. It seems to be going in the good direction. I'm honestly quite impressed. When I first read about the Uyghurs, I thought the Han were killing them all, forcing to convert, trying to kill their language etc. Then I googled it further. I saw gigantic mosques, many headscarves, many male head covers, many Arabic scripts on public buildings, and the fact that Uyghur is the official language of the province. Then I started seeing through all the Turanist BS, which is pure and simple racism. And guess what, a Turanist Turk will still see a Uyghur or Central Asian as a subhuman. Even Bulgarian Turks. So it's just a ploy to gain more power and sway over other people/countries.

Anyway, I wish China and the Uyghurs all the best. I think we'd all be lucky to get that much investment and such a boost in living standards. Just need to let go of that 'independence' thought. The Uyghurs were 'independent' for all of 4 years, while China was being raped by Japan.

 

[Ahiska]

I agree. And I hope the Chinese government does just that. It seems to be going in the good direction. I'm honestly quite impressed. When I first read about the Uyghurs, I thought the Han were killing them all, forcing to convert, trying to kill their language etc. Then I googled it further. I saw gigantic mosques, many headscarves, many male head covers, many Arabic scripts on public buildings, and the fact that Uyghur is the official language of the province. Then I started seeing through all the Turanist BS, which is pure and simple racism. And guess what, a Turanist Turk will still see a Uyghur or Central Asian as a subhuman. Even Bulgarian Turks. So it's just a ploy to gain more power and sway over other people/countries.

Anyway, I wish China and the Uyghurs all the best. I think we'd all be lucky to get that much investment and such a boost in living standards. Just need to let go of that 'independence' thought. The Uyghurs were 'independent' for all of 4 years, while China was being raped by Japan.

The biggest problem i see is that China is settling Han in the region (just like in Tibet) not to prosper the region but try to use a demografic change to make the region forcefully loyal to China (and never lose it again)

 

[Azizam]

The biggest problem i see is that China is settling Han in the region (just like in Tibet) not to prosper the region but try to use a demografic change to make the region forcefully loyal to China (and never lose it again)

On China's part it's a good strategy. Something which the Turks could have done in their South Eastern parts. Let's face it, there are no angels in the world.

 

[IR-TR]

The biggest problem i see is that China is settling Han in the region (just like in Tibet) not to prosper the region but try to use a demografic change to make the region forcefully loyal to China (and never lose it again)

Well, the end result is the same. But in any case, aside from what you say, it is actually true that many Uyghurs (conservative idiots as they are) don't know much Mandarin NOR English. Keep in mind Xinjiang is China's frontier to the outside world. A HUGE percentage of trade, and growing, is coming in from Eurasia, meaning the first port of call is Xinjiang. So the border towns become boom towns, with huge trade volumes. If the local population is too thick headed to learn any useful language, bet your arse a billion HAN will be jumping to go there and make money. Let's look at it this way: if Diyarbakir was a huge booming trading town, you'd see many many Turks migrating there. Not to crowd out the Kurds, but to go and make money. People want to make money.

 

[bsruzm]

The Chinese government invests more in Xinjiang than the entire 'Turkic' GDP put together. That's not hate. That's progress.

Kul Tegin Inscription exactly speaks of what your case is and what you call a progress, it describes the unwise successors who let the state go to ruin and the unruliness of the people who were seduced by the soft words and soft materials of the Chinese, let go of their country and submitted to the Chinese, became their servants, gave up their Turkic titles and adopted Chinese titles and went on military campaigns to conquer for Chinese emperor. Then, Turkic common people apparently said as follows: ''We used to be a people who had a state. Where is our state now? For whose benefits are we conquering these lands? We used to be a people who had its Khagan, where is our Khagan now? To who are we giving our services? Your sons worthy of becoming lords became servants''
You prove a good example of what this ancient inscription warns of.

Senin atan kim bilmem ama biz atamızı bilir, sözünü bilir, dinleriz.

Give this Uyghur nonsense a rest. If the Uyghurs don't like it, they can get the FCUK out of there, and settle in the Kazakh steppes.

It is you who should be given a rest here. Stop being ignorantly confused and comparing.
Hopefully you are being ignorantly confused.