Xenophobia alive and well in Japan as racist books fly off the shelves

[janon]

When I was young a little boy, I was told that Asia are backward agriculture societies. The first wave was Japanese. Japan is the first nation to show to Thailand that Asia can be industrial country. When I am teen agers, its time for South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore miracles. I hope for highly advance scientific/industry for Asia to develop. That needs peace. A long peace.

Today, Asia is no more backward. At least with respect to the time I was a child. If we together jointly research/develop and try to avoid reinvent the wings every time each nations need aerospace engineering, Asia can be as advance as Europe/US. We must be in peace for a long peace.

India need to work harder. India is the kuru civilization of Thailand. I hope india can be source of knowledge as was in ancient time.
My cousin went to india to study psychology. I asked him if the knowledge is native Indian or its American books knowledge. He said it is American books.

The reason is that most of the modern sciences developed in the west, in the past few centuries. Even the Soviet Union used translated American textbooks for many sciences.

Hopefully India can advance scientifically and be second to none in future. Not just sciences and technology, but in all branches of knowledge. The good thing about Indian society in this aspect is that science and learning are very highly respected by one and all. (Hindus even have a goddess of learning, who is widely worshiped.) Culturally, traditionally and religiously learning is valued and admired. Now that we are not as dirt poor as we were at independence, I think there is a good prospect that we can improve our scientific knowledge and research base. Note that we have done very well in some areas - space, pharmaceuticals to name two. We recently sent a vehicle to Mars for less money than it cost Hollywood to make the film 'Gravity', about space!

You are right that many Asian countries need to develop and prosper. We have all the necessary conditions for that - very few wars and conflicts (unlike the middle east or Africa), mostly peaceful people and cultures, long traditions of literature and philosophy and learning, etc. This is true for India, China, and many east Asian countries. Just like Japan and especially S Korea rose so dramatically post WW2, there is tremendous potential for many other countries. And BTW the majority of humankind live in these places, so a prosperous and advanced Asia is good for humanity itself.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You can see. We survive b/c Japan was strong. In the future, Asia will not be colonized if some Asian countries are strong. You can see the pattern re-emerge on Vietnam. We are free of US occupation force because VN defeat US.

In short, we will be free and equal to western, only when they cannot defeat us militarily. Today there are not many states that could protect herself from western colonization.

I'm sorry for your inferiority complex, but speak for yourself, and do not claim to represent anyone else. You are already colonized, both mentally and physically.

The reason is that most of the modern sciences developed in the west, in the past few centuries. Even the Soviet Union used translated American textbooks for many sciences.

The US also used many translated Russian textbooks, such as the Landau series in physics. I also learned tensor analysis from a Russian book. It explained to me in 5 sentences what took pages upon pages for other books that I simply couldn't understand.

Also, no one knows if the Mars project will succeed or not, but its instrumentation severely limits its scientific output. The greatest achievement it has is India being able to insert a satellite into Mars orbit - the sensor package, however, is very limited (due to cost and weight considerations) and thus its data collection will also be limited. This is very different than Yutu, which carries ultraviolet cameras and telescopes for the 1st ever deep space observations on the moon.

 

[Raphael]

Sweetheart,

So you mean to tell me that you posted this old article (from early August) here simply because it portrays Japanese in bad light? Baby, of course there's going to be some closed minded authors in Japan, we can't stop every single Japanese who decides to publish something. The same as how in the United States there are White Supremacists who publish their manifestos. That doesn't necessarily mean that a whole bunch of folks will buy it or read it.

Oh my dear Seiny-San. Stop drinking that Haterade, yo.

You're implying this is some fringe, radical movement. But if these books keep topping the best-sellers list, it shows that they are now very much mainstream.

Anyway, I don't care what book Japanese read. But it's disingenuous for you to insist that this is not what the average Japanese thinks. The latent hate inculcated in Imperial Japan was suppressed but never purged after WWII, and now it's simply rising to the surface.

 

[mujhaidind]

Are japanese racially different from Koreans and Chinese?
I don't mean to be racist but I can't tell them apart.

South-east asians on other hand are easy to differentiate since they are mixed.

 

[senheiser]

In those days, the Asians were expected to feel themselves inferior to the White man. Western imperialism and colonization of China, South East Asia, and South Asia was politicized as proof of the innate superiority of the Western powers. It was not until 1904 when the Japanese Empire soundly defeated the Russian Empire -- by annihilating the Russian Baltic Fleet (the Cream of the Imperial Russian Navy) at the Battle of Tsushima Straits -- that an Asian power bested a European power.


Japanese illustration of Imperial Japanese Cavalry running down Russians in the Battle of Port Arthur,

westerners to this day recirculate and see Russians as inferior because we lost this battle but they are forgetting we defeated japan in mongolia and ended ww2 in manchuria and korea while Britain, France, Netherlands lost all their SEA & EA colonies to japan during ww2 and they didnt do anything about it.

 

[somsak]

I'm sorry for your inferiority complex, but speak for yourself, and do not claim to represent anyone else. You are already colonized, both mentally and physically.



The US also used many translated Russian textbooks, such as the Landau series in physics. I also learned tensor analysis from a Russian book. It explained to me in 5 sentences what took pages upon pages for other books that I simply couldn't understand.

Also, no one knows if the Mars project will succeed or not, but its instrumentation severely limits its scientific output. The greatest achievement it has is India being able to insert a satellite into Mars orbit - the sensor package, however, is very limited (due to cost and weight considerations) and thus its data collection will also be limited. This is very different than Yutu, which carries ultraviolet cameras and telescopes for the 1st ever deep space observations on the moon.

Dispute my sentences before you claim me colonized. Define me what is a colonized person and prove that i am being as defined. We are here to discuss matter of nation. Only debate losers use personal attack. You act like Jiang Qing, Mao's second wife branding people non revolutionary.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Dispute my sentences before you claim me colonized. Define me what is a colonized person and prove that i am being as defined. We are here to discuss matter of nation. Only debate losers use personal attack. You act like Jiang Qing, Mao's second wife branding people non revolutionary.

You have a dependency mindset. That's why you "support" other countries. You take no pride in your own achievements, and indeed, don't think you have achievements. That's fine, but don't generalize it to people who aren't like you and who you have no right to represent.

Vietnam did not defeat the US. The US was in Vietnam, occupied half the country and committed brutal war crimes on the population. There is only a single country in the entire world in all of history that defeated the US in expeditionary warfare (without the US ever touching the home country). I'll let you guess who that is.

I don't see how Japan being stronger helps Thailand in any way. Japan was stronger in the 70's and 80's, and Thailand was poorer back then - did Japan help you? Guess as to what changed from the 70's and 80's to now?

 

[Nan Yang]

It was the first prove that Asian people can defeat western, indeed.

To be more correct, the first after the Opium wars.

Ming China actually defeated the Dutch several times.
Sino–Dutch conflicts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

westerners to this day recirculate and see Russians as inferior because we lost this battle but they are forgetting we defeated japan in mongolia and ended ww2 in manchuria and korea while Britain, France, Netherlands lost all their SEA & EA colonies to japan during ww2 and they didnt do anything about it.

Japan got fully backed by the Anglo-Saxons who wanted to greatly weaken Russia in this war.

 

[somsak]

You have a dependency mindset. That's why you "support" other countries. You take no pride in your own achievements, and indeed, don't think you have achievements. That's fine, but don't generalize it to people who aren't like you and who you have no right to represent.

Vietnam did not defeat the US. The US was in Vietnam, occupied half the country and committed brutal war crimes on the population. There is only a single country in the entire world in all of history that defeated the US in expeditionary warfare (without the US ever touching the home country). I'll let you guess who that is.

I don't see how Japan being stronger helps Thailand in any way. Japan was stronger in the 70's and 80's, and Thailand was poorer back then - did Japan help you? Guess as to what changed from the 70's and 80's to now?

Ofcause we have pride being the only country in s.e.a not been colonized by European power. Its old news though. Colony is for a country. A man is enslave, not colonize. Thats is definition of colony. Therefore I reject your claim that i am colonized because I am a human, not a country.

I support other country is an enslaved mindset? If so, russian members here who r supporting China because currnt situation r also enslaved?

 

[Aepsilons]

Ofcause we have pride being the only country in s.e.a not been colonized by European power. Its old news though. Colony is for a country. A man is enslave, not colonize. Thats is definition of colony. Therefore I reject your claim that i am colonized because I am a human, not a country.

Even the national anthem of Thailand expresses this in spirited national pride;

Pra thet thai ruam luead nu'a chat chu'a thai
Pen pra cha rat pha thai kho'ng thai thuk suan
Yu dam rong khong wai dai thang muan
Duay thai luan mai rak sa mak khi
Thai ni rak sa ngop tae thu'ng rop mai khlat
Ek ka raj ja mai hai khrai khom khi
Sa la luead thuk yat pen chat p'hli
Tha loeng pra thet chat thai tha wi mi chai ch'yo

Thailand embraces in its bosom all people of Thai blood.
Every inch of Thailand belongs to the Thais.
It has long maintained its sovereignty,
Because the Thais have always been united.
The Thai people are peace-loving,
But they are no cowards at war.
They shall allow no one to rob them of their independence,
Nor shall they suffer tyranny.
All Thais are ready to give up every drop of blood
For the nation's safety, freedom and progress.

 

[MarkusS]

Not true, Mongols/turks/Huns defeated the west thousands years ago

they lost the war in the end and got crushed from the west.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Ofcause we have pride being the only country in s.e.a not been colonized by European power. Its old news though. Colony is for a country. A man is enslave, not colonize. Thats is definition of colony. Therefore I reject your claim that i am colonized because I am a human, not a country.

Was China completely colonized? Never. You also lost land, difference is, you gave it up permanently - we protested. But that's ancient history. What about the past 50 years? Who has more achievements in the past 50 years? Who has more papers, who has more patents, who has more engineering benchmarks?

You have the colonial mentality, so I don't need to educate you too much.

 

[somsak]

Was China completely colonized? Never. You also lost land, difference is, you gave it up permanently - we protested. But that's ancient history. What about the past 50 years? Who has more achievements in the past 50 years? Who has more papers, who has more patents, who has more engineering benchmarks?

You have the colonial mentality, so I don't need to educate you too much.

Since when am I talking about China-Thailand ?
This thread is about xenophobic of Japanese. The hatre between Japan China and 2Korea happened right there at the end of Colonial era where Japan propose East Asia Co Prosperity. Thats why I mentioned about my world view about colonial era and Japans idea. I said it was a good idea witb bad implementation plan. Its all related to the thread. You must now show me how it comes to China Thailand in thid thread and branding me.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Since when am I talking about China-Thailand ?
This thread is about xenophobic of Japanese. The hatre between Japan China and 2Korea happened right there at the end of Colonial era where Japan propose East Asia Co Prosperity. Thats why I mentioned about my world view about colonial era and Japans idea. I said it was a good idea witb bad implementation plan. Its all related to the thread. You must now show me how it comes to China Thailand in thid thread and branding me.

It was not a proposal, it was an invasion. Only proposal was inside Japan, from the military to the There was nothing good about it - there is no difference between losing sovereignty to a western nation or to an eastern nation, both are losing sovereignty. Indeed, Japan dealt more damage to Asia than almost any European country. You blindly cheerlead for war crimes and play down war crimes by certain parties - that is why you have a colonial mentality.