WSJ How China's Growing Nationalism Changes Views of the West

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

@Indus Pakistan thinks China became a developmed country only by copying west
If that was the case then today India also would have been a super power

I am not nashai like you

indians don't have a high enough racial IQ to be as successful as the West or China:

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

 

[beijingwalker]

1. Of course China has achieved a lot. It is certainly the largest goods trading nation in the world. It can also be called the largest industrial/manufacturing nation.
2. However, the technological base is still quite behind the western countries.
3. And China is in fact behind other countries when it comes to the softer aspects, like for example Movies and TV Shows etc.
4. As for India, India and China are two very different countries, with very different DNAs.
5. India is actually doing quite good. We have been growing at 8% or so now for more than 2 decades, and are reasonably expected to grow at good rates for the coming 2 decades.
6. Other than that, India and China can't be directly compared, because China is a largely homogenuous nation, with no historical baggage like the caste system, and was located in a much prosperous neighborhood comprised of Japan, S. Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.

I see many excuses, like China can be compared with developed countries while India can't, this claim has moved the goalposts so India is safe from criticism. we know we are a developing country but we also know we are already lead in many fields, especially future fields like AI, quantum communication, transportation, railways, subways and infrastructure building..but we are not top on everything yet, we always know that. in what field India dominates? oh, of course, India can not be compared with anyone, cause it's so special.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The issue is that you are still extremely behind the western countries, be it in terms of GDP per capita, science and technology, ability to attract and retain talent, soft power etc.

The problem now is that, you have stopped learning from the west AT ALL.

The Deng Xiaoping philosophy that basically led to China's rise from 1980 to 2010 was dismantled and altered by Xi Jinping.



Corruption is common in all developing countries, and is usually not a road block to a nation's progress.

China itself was extremely corrupt during its developing times. So were all major developing economies (with the possible exception of Singapore)



Now however it has gone dangerously to the opposite end, with the attitude that we need to learn nothing from the west, specially on the political/ideological/philosophical front.

In fact, according to the current rulers of China, they are reverting back to Mao's era in many ways.

There has been a reemergence of the cult of personality.

Scientifically and technologically, the Chinese are nearly par with the West and Russia. This can be seen in terms of the way the Chinese can indigenously invent and produce advanced weapons systems, comparable to Western standards. In the next 20 years, the Chinese GDP per capita will catch up to Central European standards and in 30 years to Western standards.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

I see many excuses, like China can be compared with developed countries while India can't, this claim has move the goalposts so India is safe from criticism. we know we are a developing country but we also know we are already lead in many fields, especially future fields like AI, quantum communication, transportation, railways, subways and infrastructure building..but we are not top on everything yes, we always know that. in what field India dominates? oh, of course, India can not be compared with anyone, cause it's so special.

Ummm.. You don't seem to know anything about the fields that you just listed.

You are not even close to the US when it comes to AI.

Quantum Communication, you are neck to neck with Europe and US.

Transportation? Does that include cars? Because let's just say that Chinese cars don't have a particularly good reputation, and most high tech components of cars are anyways imported from abroad.

I thought you must be happy that I was saying that there are systemic reasons why India has not performed not as well as China in the last few decades.

But if China keeps to its current policies under Xi Jinping, I actually see India and other countries catching up or coming close to China.

PS- Unlike Chinese vanity, I don't think India dominates in any field. India has been able to get competitive advantages though in fields like generic medicines, movies/tv-shows etc.

 

[OIO]

Thanks for sharing this. This video is very telling of the Chinese thought process and recipe for success.

1. China was weak in the past because it was vulnerable.
   
2. In order to change that we needed to learn from the west.
   
3. Today we are better and stronger then the west

There is clear flow of logic in this train of thought. In Pakistan and many Muslim countries [besides Turkey] the thought process is reverse of China.

1. We were better then the west.
   
2. We need to unlearn from the west by rejecting westernism
   
3. We are still better then west even if our countries are dumps and have to migrate to west for a better lifes.

China did learn from East (socialism) and West (capitalism), intergrated both into Socialism with Chinese characteristics.
Muslim countries also tried socialism or capitalism, both not very compatible with Islam, but now welfare society with Islamic characteristics is a very good idea.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Scientifically and technologically, the Chinese are nearly par with the West and Russia. This can be seen in terms of the way the Chinese can indigenously invent and produce advanced weapons systems, comparable to Western standards. In the next 20 years, the Chinese GDP per capita will catch up to Central European standards and in 30 years to Western standards.

Firstly, comparing West and Russia and putting them together itself is extremely misleading. West/US have a huge upper hand on Russia when it comes to science and technology, including in military systems.

Second, China has not even come close to demonstrating measured success in weapon systems on par with the US.

 

[Mugen]

Thanks for sharing this. This video is very telling of the Chinese thought process and recipe for success.

1. China was weak in the past because it was vulnerable.
   
2. In order to change that we needed to learn from the west.
   
3. Today we are better and stronger then the west

There is clear flow of logic in this train of thought. In Pakistan and many Muslim countries [besides Turkey] the thought process is reverse of China.

1. We were better then the west.
   
2. We need to unlearn from the west by rejecting westernism
   
3. We are still better then west even if our countries are dumps and have to migrate to west for a better lifes.

We will fail and die out because we are unwilling to learn and adapt. It is sad but that is how evolution works.

And to make it worse, as you pointed out we have an empty pride that somehow we are better than the West.

 

[beijingwalker]

PS- Unlike Chinese vanity, I don't think India dominates in any field. India has been able to get competitive advantages though in fields like generic medicines, movies/tv-shows etc.

Oh, great..., Indian movies and TV shows? Maybe in south Asia, but not in this part of the world, even Hong kong has Bruce lee and Jackie chen, never knew any Indian names.

India 'too reliant' on Chinese drug imports, worries Delhi

China has not even come close to demonstrating measured success in weapon systems on par with the US.

Wars are never a major business in China like what they are in US.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Oh, great..., Indian movies and TV shows? Maybe in south Asia, but not in this part of the world, even Hong kong has Bruce lee and Jackie chen, never knew any Indian names.

India 'too reliant' on Chinese drug imports, worries Delhi

Just recently, Dangal was a run away success in China.

China is actually importing Indian movies, which have been doing rather well. The reverse is simply not true.

Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan were phenomenons of HK film industry which has been replaced with the Chinese one.

Other than that the article that you quoted was for APIs and bulk drugs, which are different from generics.

A whole movie "Dying to Survive" was made in China about trepidations about importing drugs from India.

In fact, the Chinese government recently eased off the process to import Indian generics into China as well.

We will fail and die out because we are unwilling to learn and adapt. It is sad but that is how evolution works.

And to make it worse, as you pointed out we have an empty pride that somehow we are better than the West.

Unlikely.

Today evolution has reversed, and the most educated and successful groups of people have devastatingly low fertility rates, while the reverse is true for uneducated people.

So from a purely numeric viewpoint, being illiterate and unsuccessful is good.

 

[beijingwalker]

Just recently, Dangal was a run away success in China.

Chinese movies still dominate Chinese markets, some foreign movies from Korea or even India do become successful once in a while in China, but the influence is next to nothing, I will say there are some influence of Korean movies and dramas in China, but India is zero, never heard who is influenced by Indian movies.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I would like to add here that China copied it's entire political, socio-economic philosophy from the west [communism/socialism] and then acclimatized to Chinese environment creating modern China in the process. So, the sapling brought from the west, planted in China by the CCP has neen nourished, cared for, assidiously nurtured and now is bearing sweater and more abundant fruit then the west itself.

@Karl Marx was a a German writer who did his research in London where he wrote his Communist Manifesto which would go on to influence politics across the world.

 

[beijingwalker]

Just recently, Dangal was a run away success in China.

Where is Dangal ? What is Dangal anyway?

List of highest-grossing films in China
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This is a list of the highest-grossing films in Mainland China (excluding Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan), based on data by Entgroup's China Boxoffice (CBO) website with the gross in yuan.[1]

Background colour indicates films that are currently in cinema

Rank Movie Total gross (CN¥) Country/Region Year
1 Wolf Warrior 2 5.679 billion

China 2017
2 Nezha 4.922 billion

China 2019
3 The Wandering Earth 4.656 billion

China 2019
4 Avengers: Endgame 4.238 billion

United States 2019
5 Operation Red Sea 3.651 billion

China

Hong Kong 2018
6 Detective Chinatown 2 3.398 billion

China 2018
7 The Mermaid 3.392 billion

China

Hong Kong 2016
8 Dying to Survive 3.100 billion

China 2018
9 The Fate of the Furious 2.671 billion

United States 2017
10 Hello Mr. Billionaire 2.548 billion

China 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China

 

[Mugen]

Just recently, Dangal was a run away success in China.

China is actually importing Indian movies, which have been doing rather well. The reverse is simply not true.

Bruce Lee/Jackie Chan were phenomenons of HK film industry which has been replaced with the Chinese one.

Other than that the article that you quoted was for APIs and bulk drugs, which are different from generics.

A whole movie "Dying to Survive" was made in China about trepidations about importing drugs from India.

In fact, the Chinese government recently eased off the process to import Indian generics into China as well.



Unlikely.

Today evolution has reversed, and the most educated and successful groups of people have devastatingly low fertility rates, while the reverse is true for uneducated people.

So from a purely numeric viewpoint, being illiterate and unsuccessful is good.

Short sighted. Natural causes are not the only way to die out, a stronger enemy may annihilate us. After all, history of man is a history of war.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Where is Dangal ? What is Dangal anyway?

List of highest-grossing films in China
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
This is a list of the highest-grossing films in Mainland China (excluding Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan), based on data by Entgroup's China Boxoffice (CBO) website with the gross in yuan.[1]

Background colour indicates films that are currently in cinema

Rank Movie Total gross (CN¥) Country/Region Year
1 Wolf Warrior 2 5.679 billion

China 2017
2 Nezha 4.922 billion

China 2019
3 The Wandering Earth 4.656 billion

China 2019
4 Avengers: Endgame 4.238 billion

United States 2019
5 Operation Red Sea 3.651 billion

China

Hong Kong 2018
6 Detective Chinatown 2 3.398 billion

China 2018
7 The Mermaid 3.392 billion

China

Hong Kong 2016
8 Dying to Survive 3.100 billion

China 2018
9 The Fate of the Furious 2.671 billion

United States 2017
10 Hello Mr. Billionaire 2.548 billion

China 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China

Run away success doesn't mean that it has to be in top 10.

Dangal is by the way at 41.

But more than that, Dangal had very little advertising and sustained itself purely on word of mouth.

I can bet you won't find any Chinese movie even in the top 50 for either the US or India, despite the fact that the US/Indian markets are more open to Chinese films than vice versa.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Where is Dangal ? What is Dangal anyway?

List of highest-grossing films in China
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Jump to navigationJump to search
This is a list of the highest-grossing films in Mainland China (excluding Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan), based on data by Entgroup's China Boxoffice (CBO) website with the gross in yuan.[1]

Background colour indicates films that are currently in cinema

Rank Movie Total gross (CN¥) Country/Region Year
1 Wolf Warrior 2 5.679 billion

China 2017
2 Nezha 4.922 billion

China 2019
3 The Wandering Earth 4.656 billion

China 2019
4 Avengers: Endgame 4.238 billion

United States 2019
5 Operation Red Sea 3.651 billion

China

Hong Kong 2018
6 Detective Chinatown 2 3.398 billion

China 2018
7 The Mermaid 3.392 billion

China

Hong Kong 2016
8 Dying to Survive 3.100 billion

China 2018
9 The Fate of the Furious 2.671 billion

United States 2017
10 Hello Mr. Billionaire 2.548 billion

China 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China

Meanwhile look at this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_Hong_Kong

There is no Chinese movie in top 20 HK grossing movies!

Not a single one!!

This in one chart explains why China is facing so many issues in HK.