Would you be willing to fight for your country?

[TopCat]

Japan started overseas fightings in 1900-1905. It defeated the Russian Baltic fleet in the Battle of Tsushima in the East China Sea in 1905. Russian fleet was the strongest in the then world. A few hundred Russian ships were destroyed by the Japanese Navy. Japan occupied Korea, Taiwan, Manchuria and many Pacific islands long before the starting of WWll. It fought against the then big powers like France, Holland, England, USA and China in the 2nd WW. It was in the SE and Pacific. Finally, they lost all the occupied and colonial territories.

All these wars were dictated by the rightist military people and were imposed on the common people. It caused millions of deaths in the SE and far east of Asia, but, it also caused the loss of more than 2,350,000 Japanese in the WWll alone. Japanese people do not want any pretext by the govt to initiate an warlike situation around the country any more, though the present govt is continually revising the Clauses in the Constitution that can be used to make not only a defensive, but also an offensive war.

Compared to our 3 million dead.. its nothing

 

[lastofthepatriots]

I would and will fight for my country. I got nothing else.

 

[schoolboy]

I can see a relationship forming, all the poor countries are near the top and developed nations near the bottom

That's because intelligent and educated people know that unlike all the hollywood depictions and parades and fancy uniforms and medals, real war is terrible, injuries are worse than death, watching family and friends suffer is gruesome and the people who die - as well as the causes they die for are soon forgotten. Only fools think it is romantic or glorious.

 

[~Phoenix~]

That's because intelligent and educated people know that unlike all the hollywood depictions and parades and fancy uniforms and medals, real war is terrible, injuries are worse than death, watching family and friends suffer is gruesome and the people who die - as well as the causes they die for are soon forgotten. Only fools think it is romantic or glorious.

Pacifist,no wonder your name is "school boy".Get off the military forum and finish your homework.
If a country isn't willing to fight a war,it will be just a push-over state.Despite how terrible it is,you must fight a war for peace.If 3 million people didn't have died in 1971,Bangladesh would not even have formed.

All these wars were dictated by the rightist military people and were imposed on the common people. It caused millions of deaths in the SE and far east of Asia, but, it also caused the loss of more than 2,350,000 Japanese in the WWll alone.

So what? Even we lost 3 million people during '71,which is more than Japan during WW2.Still we have a much determined military than Japan.Atleast our military won't flee or bow down to our own enemies.

Heh! You should watch China vs Japan situations. Whenever China does sth aggressive, Jap govt. tries to do a response. Result? Japanese people protest. Against China? NOOOHHH.... against Jap govt. Bunch of dumb pacifists.

Pacifists? NO! They are protesting against a p*ssy head pacifist Gov't which bows down to US and NATO at everystep.



Kira.

 

[Gandh brandi]

Pacifists? NO! They are protesting against a p*ssy head pacifist Gov't which bows down to US and NATO at everystep.



Kira.

You should've seen protests against Shinzo Abe after he changed the constitution ao that Japan can send fighters abroad. Granted, they'll only send noncombatants but the pacifists were up in legs (wanted to say arms but but they hate that) that it'd pave the way for ww2 era japan or sth.
Frankly I have trust on Shinzo. He's doing a fantastic job so far. Wanted Kuril island exchange and ww2 peace treaty with russia with promise of loan and investment against western sanction. Granted the deal ultimately failed cause Japan couldn't ensure Russia that U.S. won't use that island as spy post. Also Japan recently is in talks with France for weapon deals. As much as I like China, other east asian countries see it as a rising bully. So I'm at least happy Japan is actively taking steps to ensure their security. Although realistically speaking in case of Japan vs China war, I think most men fighting for Japan would be Americans.

 

[schoolboy]

Pacifist,no wonder your name is "school boy".Get off the military forum and finish your homework.
If a country isn't willing to fight a war,it will be just a push-over state.Despite how terrible it is,you must fight a war for peace.If 3 million people didn't have died in 1971,Bangladesh would not even have formed.

Since you choose to launch a personal attack on me my response is that I use the moniker 'schoolboy' because I acknowledge I have many things to learn.

As to being a pacifist - I cheerfully accept that charge - though I wonder on what basis you talk so authortatively about war - I'm willing to wager that you've not seen any combat action or being wounded - or seen men and women around you die or suffer. Yet you post rather grandiosely about the glory and necessity of war.
Perhaps you feel posting an image of a warplane as a profile picture somehow qualifies you to speak on the subject of war?

And to use the example of lives lost in the past as justification for taking more in future is not just foolishness, it's maniacal.

I maintain my view that big talk about war (as is typically made on these forums) is made by those who have never faced the risks of war or seen combat - much like how the collection of war memorabilia is done by those who have little idea of the hurt they cause.

 

[Śakra]

Compared to our 3 million dead.. its nothing

@Nilgiri @LA se Karachi here they go again with the unsubstantiated "3 million dead" number.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Nilgiri @LA se Karachi here they go again with the unsubstantiated "3 million dead" number.

Its pretty sad because in another thread, he said the same number is false (because it helped a certain argument then).

It just gets thrown around when convenient and dismissed by same people when another convenience is required. Thats how I first figured out something is wrong in this subforum....and out came the hate on x,y,z about me personally because of it.

I was a 3 million believer when I started here, funny story that.

 

[Awan68]

The only war worth fighting for is a war against oppressors, no matter what nationality the oppressors are ....

Actually nationalism is based on that ur dirt is better because it sustains you, provides you security, life, dignity, an identity, respect and rights as a human bieng, its a place where ur opinion matters, seems like u are backtracking into this issue from ur own bitter beliefs..

 

[Śakra]

Its pretty sad because in another thread, he said the same number is false (because it helped a certain argument then).

It just gets thrown around when convenient and dismissed by same people when another convenience is required. Thats how I first figured out something is wrong in this subforum....and out came the hate on x,y,z about me personally because of it.

I was a 3 million believer when I started here, funny story that.

As the Master of Lies said, "Keep it short, keep it simple, and keep repeating it". That's how they've got so many to believe their lie. When you probe deeper you learn it's all nonsense.

 

[Awan68]

That's because intelligent and educated people know that unlike all the hollywood depictions and parades and fancy uniforms and medals, real war is terrible, injuries are worse than death, watching family and friends suffer is gruesome and the people who die - as well as the causes they die for are soon forgotten. Only fools think it is romantic or glorious.

You would have been right in a world inhabited by angels but alas humans dwell here and u are preaching sermons that seem like somehwhere in the clouds with two wings on them and confetti in the background, war is basic human nature, it has to happen cause humans have opinions and those opinions drive conflicts with diverse opinions, war is the biggest reality of life, its nature itself and no one can go against nature, if one tries to every element in this world will conspire to bring him down and as they say u can never win against nature, one can only decide which side of the war he is on, the opressors or the agressors, even there there are several vantage points on morality so one has to fight in which ever religious or ethinic group he hails from, of war is averted evil prevails as justice is denied and nature is deprived from placing things in thier right order hence civilization suffers and cannot progress yet is tied in frustration and humiliation until the lava spills over and cause destruction with no result, that is where pure evil steps in, it has no agenda, it has no motive, it wants nothing except death and destruction and corrosion and that my friend is not a world where we want to be yet that is the world these passifists will lead one to if they get their way, war is not neccesarily a bad thing, it is just a last resort for implememtation of justice, through out the worlds history, true justice has almost always been dispersed via wars, war is the ordinary human nature, it can never be averted hence the only thing we can do is control its causes and objectives and that is what islam did...

 

[schoolboy]

war is not neccesarily a bad thing

And you come to this brilliant conclusion from history books?

it is just a last resort for implememtation of justice

Justice...really? WW2 was for Justice? WW1 was for justice? Vietnam was for Justice? What's happening in Yemen is for justice?

You confuse war with morality. IMO the luxury of preaching eloquently about the benefits of war come only to people who have the privilege of not having to take up arms (i.e. the presidents, PMs and generals who do not physically fight and are well protected) and those not in any danger.

 

[Awan68]

And you come to this brilliant conclusion from history books?



Justice...really? WW2 was for Justice? WW1 was for justice? Vietnam was for Justice? What's happening in Yemen is for justice?

You confuse war with morality. IMO the luxury of preaching eloquently about the benefits of war come only to people who have the privilege of not having to take up arms (i.e. the presidents, PMs and generals who do not physically fight and are well protected) and those not in any danger.

Iam niether a general nor a pm, just an ordinary citizen willing to die for his ideology on a moments notice, seems like its u who is unwilling to take up arms vis a vis all this sissy preaching, bugg of, im allergic to little sissy boys too afraid to grow a dick...

 

[schoolboy]

just an ordinary citizen willing to die for his ideology

Good for you! If only all those who felt that way were granted their wish.

 

[livingdead]

And you come to this brilliant conclusion from history books?



Justice...really? WW2 was for Justice? WW1 was for justice? Vietnam was for Justice? What's happening in Yemen is for justice?

You confuse war with morality. IMO the luxury of preaching eloquently about the benefits of war come only to people who have the privilege of not having to take up arms (i.e. the presidents, PMs and generals who do not physically fight and are well protected) and those not in any danger.

most military personnel from sepoy to general tend to have less romantic idea of war, its the civilians who glorify war and military.
that said, its honorable and moral to defend oneself, and since we are divided along countries, one should defend own country. The idea that a japanese is not going to do it(as oppsed to Indians or bangladeshis) is bs.