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World Wealth Report: Iran has worlds biggest rise in millionaires.

Common Iranian people can't drink alcohol, it's a fact.

The usual punishment is this https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44806039

As said, the extreme majority of those who are sentenced to getting flogged for drinking, did something else on top of it while being in a state of drunkenness. Police are not searching people's homes specifically for alcohol (if they do a search for some other reason, then they'll confiscate any alcoholic drink they find as additional evidence against the suspect of course).

This is how it works in practice. You may choose to believe the BBC instead, but the latter is known for spreading propaganda against Iran as a matter of fact. For instance, documents made public some time ago showed that the BBC was instructed by the British regime to "weaken Iranian pride" prior to the CIA-orchestrated coup against Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953. Nothing has changed since then.

Rich kids of Tehran can upload photos to Instagram publicly driking expensive western alcoholic beverages, it's a fact.

It's disgusting how they laugh laws for common people.

Not sure if they actually show pictures of themselves drinking, or merely these bottles, which they can theoretically claim were fake. No idea, I don't follow the contemptible Instagram accounts of this crowd.

Wealthy Iranians obviously might tend to be less often prosecuted for certain types of offenses, I won't debate this. But it is sadly true of most if not every country in the world. In the west, the very fact that as a rich person you can afford better lawyers, or that you may be member to the same masonic lodge as the judge, already creates some discrimination against ordinary citizens.

However it's not as if these people you posted pictures of were completely above the law in Iran either. And also, how do we actually know the persons those articles talk about were poor to begin with?

Last but not least, the same BBC paper states:

" The Young Journalists Club website quoted Kashmar's prosecutor as saying M R consumed alcohol at a wedding where an argument caused a fight in which a 17-year-old boy was killed. He was not suspected of involvement in the death. "

Not involved in the death of the 17-year old boy, but maybe he did take part in the fight? Of course the BBC will neither mention this hypothesis nor be interested in finding out! This is not serious and impartial journalism, but state propaganda. If you are drunk and commit some other offense or walk around in public while ostensibly drunk, then you will risk getting flogged. Otherwise, chances are very low.
 
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And Alexander the Great beat up Great Iran 2300 years ago. :)

Also to speak about the Arabs a thousand years later.



Agreed.



And what exactly is the name of the space station of Great Iran where 1 Iranian is worth 100 Indians ? :) OK, there is no Indian base on Mars yet but in the recent years there have been set up three private Indian space rocket development companies. And the government space agency is expected to send two or three Indians to Low Earth Orbit in two years probably which will be quite a bit ahead of any Iranian flying out to space.

What is the name of even one Great Iranian local-design computer microprocessor and one local-design computer operating system ?

Do Great Iranians already carry health-enhancing nanomachines in their bodies ? Such a system would make them not only more advanced than Indians but also compared to any others.



That I agree hence I preach for the Indian Socialists and Communist to take over. The country will become evolved socially, politically, economically, technologically and environmentally. A harmonious society.



We have to remember that two of the things that have most harmed humanity - gunpowder and paper money - have come from China.



How did they behave ?



Agreed. And not proto-Capitalism but Capitalism itself like I meant previously.



How ?
i would call china today chinese revolutionary socialist konfuzian peoples government and yes its way longer than the simple label of communism
As said, the extreme majority of those who are sentenced to getting flogged for drinking, did something else on top of it while being in a state of drunkenness. Police are not searching people's homes specifically for alcohol (if they do a search for some other reason, then they'll confiscate any alcoholic drink they find as additional evidence against the suspect of course).

This is how it works in practice. You may choose to believe the BBC instead, but the latter is known for spreading propaganda against Iran as a matter of fact. For instance, documents made public some time ago showed that the BBC was instructed by the British regime to "weaken Iranian pride" prior to the CIA-orchestrated coup against Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953. Nothing has changed since then.



No idea, I don't follow their garbage Instagram accounts. Not sure if they actually show pictures of themselves drinking, or merely these bottles, which they can theoretically claim were fake.

Wealthy people obviously tend to be less often prosecuted for certain types of offenses, I won't debate this. But it is sadly true of most if not every country in the world. In the west, the very fact that as a rich person you can afford better lawyers, or that you may be member to the same masonic lodge as the judge, already creates some discrimination against ordinary citizens.

However it's not as if these people you posted pictures of were completely above the law in Iran either.
he doesnt understand what a revolutionary government is about and that such governments behave differently and yes iran had alot of conflicting signs in the past and alot of problems but its just part of how it gets better learn from problems and they think as they are used to that one can not learn from problems but we iranians arent them and anyway our government as it is supposed to look like in future isnt even put in place still and until now iran did conflict with the idea of democracy and the factionalism this would cause and this issue did take the last 40 years and is driving itself completely dead right now
 
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i would call china today chinese revolutionary socialist konfuzian peoples government and yes its way longer than the simple label of communism

he doesnt understand what a revolutionary government is about and that such governments behave differently and yes iran had alot of conflicting signs in the past and alot of problems but its just part of how it gets better learn from problems and they think as they are used to that one can not learn from problems but we iranians arent them and anyway our government as it is supposed to look like in future isnt even put in place still and until now iran did conflict with the idea of democracy and the factionalism this would cause and this issue did take the last 40 years and is driving itself completely dead right now

Yes true. But dadash, if I may give you an advise, please don't lose your temper quickly. Many users do not necessarily mean to bash Iran, it's just that they don't know better on certain topics. So please don't lash out at them or their countries from the get go, and first try to argue calmly and inform them, much like you were doing when you joined here (and as you could see, it was very effective).

The real anti-Iranians here aren't users like Bhan85, Desert Fighter and so on. You will recognize the former easily enough. Ba sepas & regards.
 
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Yes true. But dadash, if I may give you an advise, please don't lose your temper quickly. Many users do not necessarily mean to bash Iran, it's just that they don't know better on certain topics. So please don't lash out at them or their countries from the get go, and first try to argue calmly and inform them, as you were doing when you joined here (and as you could see, it was very effective).

The real anti-Iranians here aren't users like Bhan85, Desert Fighter and so on. You will recognize the former easily enough. Ba sepas & regards.
they are hopeless and i dont want them to get involved into issues outside of their understanding because they understand nothing they are sheep
Yes true. But dadash, if I may give you an advise, please don't lose your temper quickly. Many users do not necessarily mean to bash Iran, it's just that they don't know better on certain topics. So please don't lash out at them or their countries from the get go, and first try to argue calmly and inform them, much like you were doing when you joined here (and as you could see, it was very effective).

The real anti-Iranians here aren't users like Bhan85, Desert Fighter and so on. You will recognize the former easily enough. Ba sepas & regards.
let me put it that way if the west has solutions than they should do the same as china and show us how much worth they are at home and not come to us and blabber nonsense and pointing with the finger trying to start a fight because that is who they are sore losers thieves and lowlifes they are tought to be that way their entire conceptual reality is build about such type of people being heroes or whatever but its not how we work and not how we think so they dont fit with us at all they just blabber irrelevant nonsense
Yes true. But dadash, if I may give you an advise, please don't lose your temper quickly. Many users do not necessarily mean to bash Iran, it's just that they don't know better on certain topics. So please don't lash out at them or their countries from the get go, and first try to argue calmly and inform them, much like you were doing when you joined here (and as you could see, it was very effective).

The real anti-Iranians here aren't users like Bhan85, Desert Fighter and so on. You will recognize the former easily enough. Ba sepas & regards.
i thought like a week ago lets see what hollywood is about these days and i watched some jungle movie with this guy who calls himself rock and i couldnt watch it after 10 minutes i was disgusted about the lack of morals and the bad values tought the issue here is really they are ruinous and i dont even care about their ruinous thoughts anymore its just more than irrelevant today and in fact its completely opposite to what we believe as iranians as muslims its the same at the end lying is something iranians always called aniranian behavior basically all the west is about is aniranian behaviors let alone it being anti islamic
 
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they are hopeless and i dont want them to get involved into issues outside of their understanding because they understand nothing they are sheep

let me put it that way if the west has solutions than they should do the same as china and show us how much worth they are at home and not come to us and blabber nonsense and pointing with the finger trying to start a fight because that is who they are sore losers thieves and lowlifes they are tought to be that way their entire conceptual reality is build about such type of people being heroes or whatever but its not how we work and not how we think so they dont fit with us at all they just blabber irrelevant nonsense

I can only reiterate my advise. I'm not questioning your arguments, just inviting you to strike a less vindictive tone against some users who aren't known to be specifically anti-Iranian. Trust me friend, we've been here for quite some time and we're aware of who is who. Your initial contributions used to be more measured, I don't know what happened since but please think it through. Since you do make good points, it'd be a pity to bring them across in a conflictual manner when this is not really necessary and may even be counter-productive to your aims. I'll leave it at that.
 
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I can only reiterate my advise. I'm not questioning your arguments, just inviting you to strike a less vindictive tone against some users who aren't known to be specifically anti-Iranian. Trust me friend, we've been here for quite some time and we're aware of who is who. Your initial contribution was more measured, I don't know what happened since but please think it through. Since you do make good points, it'd be a pity to bring them across in a conflictual manner when this is not really necessary and may even be counter-productive to your aims. I'll leave it at that.
why are their comments relevant these europeans or other retards i dont care what your advise is to tell you the truth i dont appease conceptual retardedness of those people you being not in iran must appease them but this is iran and i dont accept that here and when they talk they talk about this land here not something you dont grasp it seems because i did see their empty talks turn into bad policies for way to long here and i dont accept it neither do i appease it
 
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why are their comments relevant these europeans or other retards i dont care what your advise is to tell you the truth i dont appease conceptual retardedness of those people you being not in iran must appease them but this is iran and i dont accept that here and when they talk they talk about this land here not something you dont grasp it seems

I don't seek to appease anyone, but will refrain from directly lashing out at he who harbors ignorance / lack of information rather than actual hostility. We need to differentiate between these two.

@jamahir Your post was great, and I didn't finish reading it when I refreshed the page, only to see it was missing.
 
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In fact, capitalism appeared with what is referred to as civilization; at the same time as money, work (as in remunerated work and employer-employee relationship), ownership and property, professions, education, science and separation of knowledge into separate branches and disciplines.

So did the entity called state, so did society (prior to civilization, humans organized in communities, not societies) along with social hierarchy and, according to Marx, religion as well.

Agreed.

Personally, I may consider reflecting on the first point (capitalism) as the basis for sort of a critique of civilization sui generis, relative to the question of whether man did not in fact live a more authentic life in pre-civilizational times, ie during most of their existence (by a very large margin) as homo sapiens sapiens. Essentially due to being non-alienated by wage bondage, ie living the way he is supposed to, as opposed to civilized and thus alienated life, which according to Marx runs counter to human nature.

But that more authentic life, had it continued, would have prevented technological innovation.

Now I must take issue with Marx's rejection of the second and third items - state and religion, as mere super-structures of Capital...

The second item - State - I agree with Marx.

The third item - Religion - perhaps Marx was influenced by the European Renaissance which seeked to remove the oppressive and corrupting things from the then European understanding of Christianity. He should have reflected that some past religions, or at least their originators and preachers, spoke about social, economic and political justice and advancement. For example Prophet Jesus preached against the wrongs done by the traditional money lenders and then Prophet Muhammad created an entire set of progressive socio-economic laws. Just yesterday I spoke of Communism and Religion in this post of mine, a reply to another member.

Nonetheless, Marx's contribution to the realm of ideas is not particularly easy to counter nor does it lack basic structure (even though to himself, he contributed strictly nothing at all, but only formalized what he claimed every alienated human being is aware of deep in their guts).

Agreed.

His ideas reach far beyond the simple "myth of the good savage", and anyone seeking to debunk them will need to accomplish some very serious cognitive work. Which in some ways can be disconcerting if one isn't really on the same page.

Hmm.

Another interesting fact to note is that many if not most of those who speak about Marx didn't actually read his works, neither his major one (I don't blame them, given how voluminous the latter is), nor his secondary ones (including his correspondence with Engels, which is pretty important to study).

Well, I myself purchased his Capital some years ago from a secondhand bookshop. IIRC it had two thick volumes. I expected it to have philosophy but when I open them all I saw were numbers so stopped reading them. :lol:

Hence the many misconceptions about "Marxian" thought (since he himself categorically rejected any notion of "Marxism").

I see.

Basically, what Marx believed in or rather, what he believed is bound to be the destiny of mankind, is a return to the pre-civilizational, communist community, consecutive to an inevitable proletarian revolution brought about by material dialectics (and every person is a proletarian, to simplify, except for the capitalists and to some extent the non-conscious lumpenproletariat).

In other words: no more state, no more remunerated work, no more wages, no more ownership of the means of production, no more property, no more money, no more schools and universities, no more organized religion, no more hierarchy. Just like all our ancestors used to live, no matter our origins - some slightly longer (Germanic peoples, Native Americans, etc), and some less so.

1. Did he really say "no more schools and universities" ?

2. About "no more State" the Jamahiriya political system in pre-2011 Libya was a Direct Democracy system where the people ruled directly without parties and Western-styled parliaments. My user-name is my understanding of a person who propounds that system. Hugo Chavez was a friend of Gaddafi and he adapted the Libyan system for Venezuela. Gaddafi did not use the word "Communist political system" do describe the Libyan system maybe because Communism has become associated with Atheism and that would have perhaps made it difficult to convince the Libyans to accept the system but later would have made it difficult to convince other societies in the East and the Global South that this system is worth adopting, but Gaddafi did write an essay that asked "Has Communism arrived yet ?".

3. About "no more money" I don't know if money can be abolished despite technological advancements like 3D Printing but I have proposed an economic system in this thread which ensures that there is no economic disparity, no economic classes. Please do read the OP and the subsequent discussion and leave your comments there.

A look at Roman texts describing the lifestyle of Germanic tribes at the time when the latter crushingly defeated the Roman legions is quite instructive, insofar as it precisely reflects Marx's vision of the communist community.

OK.

Which by the way, also implies that the former Soviet states were nowhere communist. The concepts of communism and state are intrinsically antinomic. Marx would doubtlessly have denounced them, along with their pretense that socialism is the first step in a transition from capitalism to communism. To Marx, these would have represented yet another dialectically determined manifestation of Capital, and would have been akin to state capitalism.

Politically, I suppose the plan of the USSR was to establish a base from where to convince at some point the entire world to become a Stateless Communist entity. Hence the USSR supporting leftist movements and countries outside of its territory in the hope of them being being able to capture leadership of their countries or able to influence neighboring countries. A global link up.

Economics-wise, perhaps the USSR's economists weren't able to come up with a no-money system or even a simplified form of money. I don't know about this aspect of the USSR.

feudal rule is basically similary structured like communism in fact the russians are the best example just look at how they turned into small thiefdoms with their oligarchs and so on its just how communism was supposed to work coming out of european feudal concepts

1. AFAIK the oligarchs in Russia who got created after the dissolution of the USSR got mostly removed by Putin. Russia is much less chaotic than in the 1990s. I don't think the post-USSR oligarchs had anything to do with Communism. The dissolution wasn't the end intention of the creation of the USSR and the post-USSR were just crooked people who took advantage of their own high positions in the USSR times or the high positions of their family and friends.

2. Communism was a social, political and economic evolution from European and general human feudal concepts.

3. Please read my mention of Libya above.

and the chinese model is for example not real communism to begin with its way to much based on chinese concepts which allowed it to become this weird hybrid trying to find harmony between the two extremes for example is chinese and russia couldnt do it during communist rule because its european

Please read the below section.

i would call china today chinese revolutionary socialist konfuzian peoples government and yes its way longer than the simple label of communism

Today's China is Communist only in name. No ideological empathy for others in the world. It is a highly selfish country which wants to use other parts of the world for its own enrichment and becoming a superpower. Internally it has an un-Communist economic system which has elements like stock exchanges and allows the environment for Chinese to gamble in the stock exchange, lose money and commit suicide even by jumping into a steel furnace.

I don't see what harmony balancing the Chinese "Communists" are doing.
 
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they are hopeless and i dont want them to get involved into issues outside of their understanding because they understand nothing they are sheep

let me put it that way if the west has solutions than they should do the same as china and show us how much worth they are at home and not come to us and blabber nonsense and pointing with the finger trying to start a fight because that is who they are sore losers thieves and lowlifes they are tought to be that way their entire conceptual reality is build about such type of people being heroes or whatever but its not how we work and not how we think so they dont fit with us at all they just blabber irrelevant nonsense

i thought like a week ago lets see what hollywood is about these days and i watched some jungle movie with this guy who calls himself rock and i couldnt watch it after 10 minutes i was disgusted about the lack of morals and the bad values tought the issue here is really they are ruinous and i dont even care about their ruinous thoughts anymore its just more than irrelevant today and in fact its completely opposite to what we believe as iranians as muslims its the same at the end lying is something iranians always called aniranian behavior basically all the west is about is aniranian behaviors let alone it being anti islamic

This is a thread about Iranian millonaires in a Pakistan Forum. This is not a Iranian forum, neither your personal forum. And this is not a western related thread.

Stop looking users flags and look how rich kids of Tehran piss in your face, in your country and in your laws.

There is no need to be Iranian to understand this:



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billions invested in UAE :bounce:
I apologize for some harsh words spoken here..certainty not the view of many Iranians in this forum.. you are correct indeed about many Iranians invested billions in the UAE and I hope one day soon when the business climate becomes more favorable in iran those $$billions will find their way back to iran (and more!..lol)..I used to work in city of Shiraz in late 70s and opposite my Apt was a rather large property with a garden and large house belonging to a sheikh of "Sharejeh"..who he used to visit in summer times..so I hope to see those $$$ back into iran as well.
 
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World Wealth Report and World Bank reported that in 2021-2020 despite histories strictest sanctions Irans GDP per head (nominal) rised by 4%

and Iran had biggest growth in USD millionaires worldwide,

they are now more USD millionaires in Iran then in Russia,Italy,Spain,Brazil and the Middle East combined. (many of them have much larger population then iran)




and those Propaganda folks in twitter based in Albania want make people believe that Irans economy will collapse LOL!!!
@Oublious hello SIr - do you now see your accusation of calling Persians/Iran-supporters "Poorsians" is more rubbish than fact??? lol.
 
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I apologize for some harsh words spoken here..certainty not the view of many Iranians in this forum

you are a good person. thank you :)

and i am 150% sure that the crazy talk i sometimes read from Iranians and Pakistanis DO NOT represent the entire population. Iranians and Pakistanis are good people and i look forward to visiting both countries :)
 
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In Iran, rich kids have no problem choosing where to eat lunch or dinner because all the luxurious restaurants are open. For example, the famous Shiraz Shapouri Pavilion Garden, which has a large average bill and is accessible only through the park (which also requires a fee to enter), is very popular with the golden children.
Most of the time, rich kids have a lot of free time. And even when they don't, they find an hour or two for cool entertainment. Extreme sports, racing with friends on jet skis, and other ideas are on the go with the golden youth. Part of the way to get there is with real money games.
 
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Sanctions have taken its toll because of lack of open market currency access but we are still one of the richest nations on earth by nominal GDP at 1.1 trillion USD.
 
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