World high speed railway speed survey 2013

[shuttler]

There is a difference, China is building HSR for infrastructure boom to keep high GDP growth while in India it is mainly for passenger traffic. It is highly doubtful that China's HSR is even making business.

All transportation systems are built to serve the people. There is no difference in this regard
We build HSR at current prices within our own tech and manufacturing and of course it counts towards our growth
You will be builiding your HSR at higher prices due to inflation and imported products and materials; and are these not counting towards your economic growth?

 

[sree45]

There is a difference, China is building HSR for infrastructure boom to keep high GDP growth while in India it is mainly for passenger traffic. It is highly doubtful that China's HSR is even making business.

Yes. I have seen a video about HSR in china and there are only a few passengers in it. China builds infrastructure for showing off to the world(Due to size of their economy they can afford it but not off much use). where as India builds Infrastructure as per our requirements.

 

[Okemos]

Is Shutter really Chinese living in China? I am curious because his English is too good, lol. Plus, he has this enthusiasm to argue with Indians, haha. You guys keep going.

 

[gslv mk3]

The HSR will not be made all over India at once. First we will begin with cities whose average income is more. The HSR will be an alternative to air travel. Dont you think people who can afford air travel can afford HSR?

Why you are you even arguing with him??

 

[INDIC]

Yes. I have seen a video about HSR in china and there are only a few passengers in it. China builds infrastructure for showing off to the world(Due to size of their economy they can afford it but not off much use). where as India builds Infrastructure as per our requirements.

Main motive is to keep high GDP growth percentage. Investing in infrastructure projects contribute to GDP growth rate. More they invest in HSR or ghost cities, it will be easy for China's government to meet the GDP growth rate target. Although such infrastructure projects don't make business after completion in China. China also built world largest shopping mall but mall is abandoned with just few shops with visitors extremely rare.

 

[INDIC]

All transportation systems are built to serve the people. There is no difference in this regard
We build HSR at current prices within our own tech and manufacturing and of course it counts towards our growth
You will be builiding your HSR at higher prices due to inflation and imported products and materials; and are these not counting towards your economic growth?

I want to know the passenger statistics and profit being made by your HSR. HSR project is contributing to achieving China annual GDP growth rate target but I want to know about business.

China is a middle income country, even many developed countries hadn't opted for such a huge HSR network yet.

 

[shuttler]

I want to know the passenger statistics and profit being made by your HSR. HSR project is contributing to achieving China annual GDP growth rate target but I want to know about business.

China is a middle income country, even many developed countries hadn't opted for such a huge HSR network yet.

someone who may be too boring to give you the figures,
we are not a middle income country but our per capita is better than indians for sure
we have a bigger population and our cities are more developed
so if we are able to build our HSR using our own technology and manufacturing abilities at current prices whereas your cheerleading country is going to build one @japanese prices (+ future inflation at depreciating rupees), I wonder how could you argue to scrape it through!

you can thump chesting for it just like what you have been doing in building the fastest supercomputer in next few years, and then flying to the sun etc etc

I will be standing by watching the progress!

 

[gslv mk3]

we have a bigger population and our cities are more developed
so if we are able to build our HSR using our own technology and manufacturing abilities at current prices whereas your cheerleading country is going to build one @japanese prices (+ future inflation at depreciating rupees), I wonder how could you argue to scrape it through!

Our cities are also following,the same way and You also did manufacture your many licensed japanese and german trains before building an indigenous one!

Also, manufacturing capabilities would be set up after 1 or 2 systems ,this is what was done in the MRTS projects..

And we do have construction companies that can make the HSR line a reality,Now check this out

To ensure safety, the tracks are fitted with RHEDA-2000 signalling technology, which theoretically allows trains to travel at up to 350 km/h (nearly three times the actual maximum speed of current trains).[36] The entire 22.7 km route is ballast-less track, which costs 40–50% more than normal train tracks, but does not take longer to lay than traditional tracks. The rails rest on rubber pads on the concrete sleepers for less noise.[36]
Delhi Airport Metro Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dont worry though,we were able to fund a metrorail worth $16 billion,Our first HSR line is going to be much cheaper ($8 billion)

you can thump chesting for it just like what you have been doing in building the fastest supercomputer in next few years, and then flying to the sun etc etc

We had asia's fastest supercomputer in 2007,and Our sun mission is not about 'flying to sun' So STFU

 

[SHAMK9]

The state governments are ready to meet 50% cost of the consultancy.The project will be financed in a 2:1 debt-equity ratio. About 67% of the construction costs of the Western DFC will be funded by a soft loan of $4bn provided by Japan International Cooperation Agency. The remaining funds will be provided in equity by the Ministry of Railways.

Amen Jesus

 

[INDIC]

someone who may be too boring to give you the figures,
we are not a middle income country but our per capita is better than indians for sure
we have a bigger population and our cities are more developed
so if we are able to build our HSR using our own technology and manufacturing abilities at current prices whereas your cheerleading country is going to build one @japanese prices (+ future inflation at depreciating rupees), I wonder how could you argue to scrape it through!

you can thump chesting for it just like what you have been doing in building the fastest supercomputer in next few years, and then flying to the sun etc etc

I will be standing by watching the progress!

Ok I will make it easy for you and also check the date 2013-02-03.

China's high-speed rail network reports staggering losses

 

[SHAMK9]

pakistan

Nawaz loves his Metro buses more

 

[huskie]

$8 billion for 500km of HSR is way too optimistic. considering land acquisition, trainsets and all supporting systems, the final cost is probably going to be doubled.

Delhi metro

project cost till 2016=$19 billion

Now for Mumbai-Ahmedabad route of 500 km, cost would be Rs 370 billion (US$ 8.04 billion),Oh but then,India cannot 'afford' an HSR

 

[shuttler]

Ok I will make it easy for you.

China's high-speed rail network reports staggering losses

I havent denied that have I? so STFU!
It also takes into account of what so called the "stress-test"
so referring to my post @67 may be you will have your delusions going on unabated nevertheless everyone will be watching the whole thing
lets see who is more "stress averse"!

 

[INDIC]

I havent denied that have I? so STFU!
It also takes into account of what so called the "stress-test"
so referring to my post @67 may be you will have your delusions going on unabated nevertheless everyone will be watching the whole thing
lets see who is more "stress averse"!

Certainly we are not going to make world first or second or third largest HSR, it will per requirement instead of meeting GDP growth rate target like China.

 

[American spying]

Infrastructure has long term gain, these low IQ Indians don't understand basic economics. They parrot everything their white masters say. One of the main reasons the Indian economy is totally collapsing right now is India has no manufacturing sector. Why doesn't India have a manufacturing sector? Because Indian transportation systems are non-existent. Producers cannot transport their goods from their manufacturing site to warehouses to retail stores. Without great infrastructure (transportation, telecommunications, energy) countries become stagnant due to their bottlenecks. It takes a long time to develop the necessary infrastructure. China has been going at an incredible speed in infrastructure development but even after all of that, we are still short of infrastructure.

You think the Indian economy is bad now, just wait, it's going to get a whole lot worse as their economy is struggling to upgrade from a bunch of useless call centres to a manufacturing based economy that can export and run trade surpluses to reverse their current account deficits which has resulted in a collapsed currency. I know they have these grandiose plans but we all know it never gets completed due to staggering corruption and sheer Indian incompetence.

India thought they could put the cart before the horse and skip the manufacturing phase if industrialization, but now they have realised the deep hole they are in. Indian growth will average 3-4% this decade, I'm talking about actual growth, not the nonsense they want us to believe.