World Defence Industry Ranking

[Super Falcon]

Tha

1. jf 17 getting more hype in PDF does not mean pakistan exports more in defence than india
defence exports means actually selling all kinds of military hardware from ships and patrol boats to guns and bullets to airplanes and helicopters

2. terrorists are not included in "defence exports"

Tell me which indian junk been sold u only buy

 

[Baybars Han]

I'm sure by 2023 we will be even ahead of India in that list and on par with Israel, so no.1 in middle east. Currently 60 indigenous products. Altay the beast is rolling through soon. Best tank in the world.

Return of the Great Turks. Our slaves will be on our feet like before. The conqueror Turks will rise again.

Anyone who wishes to fight the Turks is mad, for Jesus Christ does not fight them any more. They have conquered, they will conquer. For every day they drive us down, knowing that God, who was awake, sleeps now, and Muhammad waxes powerful.

 

[Jai Bharat]

Once we make a long range missile, indigenous air defence and destroyer, we will automatically jump to India level or above.

What is India annual defence export? I'm surprised India is above Japan here, or even south Korea.

You forgot to include Aircraft Carriers and Nuclear Submarines.

Nuclear Submarines are the real mark of a Great Military Power. All the UNSC powers have them. They are the most potent of all deterrence and true key to holding a nuclear arsenal and credible nuclear threat. UK relies exclusively on SSBNs for their nuclear deterrence in fact.

India's first SSBN will be out in early 2016 in time for the International Fleet review. It will be the first time a non-UNSC member has deployed SSBN armed with nuclear missiles.

Until Turkey deploys an SSBN, it will always be behind India.

 

[Azeri440]

There are literally dozens of more examples, like their assembling of German subs, their tanks is also mostly south Korean tech with german Engines and gun. Many other examples, some of which you listed.

These people actually think they can develop SAM's and missile on their own. They think these things are just toys that you can develop just like that. As you said, these things need decades of development.

What turks do is simple, they're part of NATO and import techs and also import tech from south korean etc and just put them together using designs made for them by yet again other nations and create something and claim it is indigenous.

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Lol, even countries such as South Korea " assemble" German subs but still contribute with their own components.
That's how you advance and one day reach the level of German subs.

I asked you about 10 times regarding South Korean components in Altay, could you specify these components?
Nearly all Western Tanks use German Guns , the difference is Turkey got a tech transfer for the gun , Iran throughout its history also made a lot of tech transfers, so its nothing unusual. Not to mention Iran uses 2A46 series main gun on its own tanks. Turkey is also developing its own engines, meaning the next or shall I say updated version of Altay will be completely Turkish.
In reality, Turkey only really started developing its defense industry in 2010 and managed to achieve more than a billion in annual exports. Something you have no hope in achieving even with sanctions removed.

 

[Ankit Kumar]

WTF...... Where is China?

 

[Xn Jin]

lets rank the toilet manufacturing now

last

 

[Brahmaputra Mail]

Please do not underestimate Indian companies. BEL, Tata Advanced Systems, Tonbo Imaging (to name few)
are doing well. Let's not forget almost all major companies now outsource or do a JV with other companies. Our export volumes may not figure much since all people care about is the end product. It's like giving all the credit to Boeing for EA-18G Growler.


Boeing EA-18G Growler To Get BEL Produced Cockpit Sub-Assembly

 

[ni8mare]

Broadsword: International figures say India no longer biggest arms importer; India’s own figures say still Number One

The authoritative Congressional Research Service (CRS), which provides data and analysis to the US Congress, finds that India no longer features in the world’s three biggest arms importers.
A new CRS report, according to The New York Times, finds that of the world’s total arms trade of $71.8 billion in 2014, the three biggest importers were South Korea ($7.8 billion in contracts signed), Iraq ($7.3 billion) and Brazil with $6.5 billion.
In March, the equally authoritative Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) had declared, in its annual weapons trade report for 2014, that Saudi Arabia had surpassed India as the world’s biggest arms importer. According to that report, Saudi Arabia imported $6.46 billion worth of arms, compared to India’s $5.57 billion.
This is not the only divergence in public figures relating to defence procurement, particularly that of India.
On December 8, the defence ministry told parliament that India had bought Rs 24,992 crore ($3.78 billion) worth of foreign weaponry in 2014-15. Ten days later, the same defence ministry told the same parliament that India had spent Rs 29,222 crore ($4.42 billion) on foreign arms in that same period.
There are several reasons for such divergent figures in tracking the weapons trade. First, some institutions track the signature of defence contracts in a particular year. On the other hand, others track the actual delivery of defence systems during that year.
For example, India signed a $2.1 billion contract with Boeing for eight P8-I multi-mission maritime aircraft in 2009-10. Agencies tracking arms contracts would have put that entire amount in India’s arms trade ledger for that year. Others, who track delivery, would spread the $2.1 billion across the six years till 2015, when the last P8-I was delivered.
There is also a reason for divergence in the defence ministry’s own figures. The figure placed before parliament on December 8 represents actual orders placed on foreign vendors during the year, and assumes orders placed on Indian vendors to be 100 per cent indigenous. The higher figure placed before parliament on December 18 tracks foreign components in “Indian” weapon systems, treating them as imports.
For example, the warship INS Kochi was built by Mazagon Dock Ltd, Mumbai (MDL) and is, technically, an indigenous system. But it contains numerous foreign systems, such as the Israeli MF-STAR radar. According to the Defence Procurement Procedure of 2013 (DPP-2013), the cost of foreign systems, sub-systems and components in “indigenous” platforms are treated as imports, along with the freight, insurance, service costs, license fees, royalties and duties relating to their import.
Calculating according to DPP-2013, the “indigenous content in defence procurements for the year 2014-15 is approximately 40 per cent”, the defence ministry informed parliament on December 18. Based on the total procurement outgo of Rs 78,754 crore ($11.9 billion) for 2014-15, an imported component of 60 per cent adds up to Rs 47,252 crore ($7.14 billion).
That outgo is only from the capital budget. In addition, a significant portion of imported spares and components comes from the revenue budget, which, after deducting salaries, amounts to Rs 46,905 for the three services. Conservatively assuming a foreign outgo of 20 per cent from that component of the revenue budget, another Rs 9,381 crore ($1.4 billion) is added to India’s defence imports.
India’s total defence imports, arrived at by adding Rs 47,252 crore ($ 7.14 billion) of imports from the capital account to Rs 9,381 crore ($1.4 billion) of imports from the revenue account, amounts to $8.54 billion for 2014-15.
This means going by either CRS’s calculations, or those of SIPRI, India remains for now the world’s biggest arms importer.
On the export side, the CRS report notes that America is handily the world’s biggest arms exporter. From $26.7 billion in 2013, the sale of US arms rose in 2014 by almost $10 billion (35 per cent) to $36.3 billion, more than half of the global $71.8 billion arms export market.

Russia is a distant second, logging $10.2 billion in arms sales in 2014. Sweden is in third position ($5.5 billion); France is fourth ($4.4 billion) and China is fifth ($2.2 billion).

Source: International figures say India no longer biggest arms importer; India’s own figures say still Numbe

 

[mike2000 is back]

There is a few things India is quite advanced although they import most stuff. Such as space systems and stuff. Remember this is overall defence industry. Also Pakistan should be somewhere in there and a fee other countries that are missed.

True, but i think Japan should be ahead of India though.

 

[mike2000 is back]

china was not included in ranking

its included, check the ranking again

 

[mike2000 is back]

They didn't qualify for ranking bcoz they didn't reveal any info on revenue. By revenue
chinese companies would stand in top4 after usa russia France.

The ranking is more about a country's defence industry overall. If it was just about revenues then British defence companies will even be second only to the U.S in the top 10 of defence giants

 

[Baybars Han]

its not export but total revenue sales.


Indian govt had kept private sector away from defense until 2015.
Indian native R&D is matured viz a viz Turkey.
But Public sector manufacturing industry are poor in productization and add many defects in product due to lack of quality norms,private sector culture.

Please remember that Drdo only prototype and create IP for a project. They cant manufacturev drone,aircraft(tejas) which is done by HAL. They cant help HAL integrate and modulairze their assemblies.

say for eg Nishant drone manufactured by HAL crashed bcoz of faulty parachute manufacturered by ordinance factory (Another unaccountable Public sector company).By the way;
Hal is typical public sector. I don't have an iota respect for this organization.

India is not member of MTCR unlike turkey which has complete access to all sharable western technology.

Indian scientists learnt by working as Postdoc,PHD in western lab 40-50yrs ago. Nobody supplied them TOT.They eventually did their own R&D And developed entite missile program from scratch.

Indian pvt companies have just joined defense sector. u ll see how they evolve in a decade with same DRDO licensed technology.

As you rightly point out india navy has been able to work with public sector shipbuilders in making decent quality ships.

Success of products depend upon stake and ownership of armed forces in that product which streamline accountability in any manufactured product including Public sector.



lol. let india join MTCR next year
we ll have 1000 of turks type companies making solution with western IP.

But its good that with matured indigenious public sector R&D,India can absorb their technology faster and produce next gen of enhanced technology.

India couldn't make a tank in 60 years lol. India should be way behind that list. They have no history.

 

[Baybars Han]

True, but i think Japan should be ahead of India though.

I agree. India couldn't make a tank in 60 years, a 3rd gen fighter in 50 years, no uav, no indigenous air defence, no indigenous transport heli, important most land platforms. So we can see that in terms of India the list is wrong. Their missiles are Russian. Only thing they are advanced is space program. Imports 90%.

Turkey makes uav (Anka, bayraktar, karayel) , tank( Altay) , frigates(ada class soon İstanbul class and tf2000), all land vehicles( kirpi, ejder, pars, Ural) ,short to medium range air defence soon long range( hisar) , Cruise missiles and advanced missile ( SOM, cirit) , trainer aircraft (hurkus) and many more. Exports nearing 2 billion every year which isn't too bad.

Japan is way ahead of India. It's just their constitution which is a problem.

 

[Taygibay]

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[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Comparison of India and Turkey in defence sector is apples and oranges as larger Indian economy allows investment in several more defence projects that Turkey does not have equivalents in like Aircraft Carriers, AWACS, Directed Energy Weapons, ABMs, Nuclear Submarines etc.


However If i am not wrong, for Turkey there is greater private sector participation in defence Industry than India

@Neptune @cabatli_53 are major Turkish defence companies private?